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The benefits and pay given to people who risk their lives to save others is different than the pay and benefits given to people who do not. That is why firefighters and police are special cases.

EDIT: Also, afaik, they cannot strike.

They do risk their lives, yes, but that doesn't mean they need to have a union to secure that level of pay.
 

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Lifer
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Are any unions supportive of the GOP?

I see stopping the power of the public employee unions as the priority. Private unions have some good reasons to exist, but being tax free is just silly.

Private-sector unions are usually warm to the GOP... certainly much more so than public unions.
 

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Private-sector unions are usually warm to the GOP... certainly much more so than public unions.

Even Obama is warmer to the GOP than public unions...

Which public unions are warm to the GOP? The ones I have dealt with (telephone worker unions mostly) are rablidly DNC supportive. I readily admit I have little union experience, so there could be some.
 

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They do risk their lives, yes, but that doesn't mean they need to have a union to secure that level of pay.

Who will give it to them? We can look at the military pay (no union) and see they pay poorly...so we cannot trust the government to give them good pay for risking their lives.
 

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Lifer
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Who will give it to them? We can look at the military pay (no union) and see they pay poorly...so we cannot trust the government to give them good pay for risking their lives.

So, which budget-busting thing do you propose? Keeping unions for police/firefighters or providing a union for soldiers?

Taxpayers in a community can demand or agree to higher pay for police/firefighters. They shouldn't be forced to do so by a union contract, whether or not such raises/benefits are justified.
 
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Lifer
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So, which budget-busting thing do you propose? Keeping unions for police/firefighters or providing a union for soldiers?

It was an example to show why they need their unions. Nothing more, nothing less.

Taxpayers in a community can demand or agree to higher pay for police/firefighters. They shouldn't be forced to do so by a union contract, whether or not such raises/benefits are justified.

Taxpayers want everything for free, and want it to be of the best quality. Most people agree we underpay our military, yet the military remains underpaid.

It is what it is. The police and firefighters risk their lives to save the lives of others. This causes them to be treated differently than the groups who do not.
 

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Lifer
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Police, firefighter, and state trooper unions.


Sorry, meant to ask which private sector unions. Police and firefighters are usually warm to the GOP because they understand self sacrifice for others instead of demanding others sacrifice for them.
 

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Lifer
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It was an example to show why they need their unions. Nothing more, nothing less.

They don't need unions to get paid "enough". The people who truly want to put their lives on the line to serve and protect their community will do so, just like those who truly want to serve our country in the military will do so.

Unions for these things are totally unnecessary.

Taxpayers want everything for free, and want it to be of the best quality. Most people agree we underpay our military, yet the military remains underpaid.

The direct influence taxpayers have on the pay of the military is barely nominal. Taxpayers have much more influence on things like police/firefighter pay at a state and especially local level.

It is what it is. The police and firefighters risk their lives to save the lives of others. This causes them to be treated differently than the groups who do not.

It may be the cause, but that doesn't mean the cause is justified or right.
 
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Lifer
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Ah, so if you have skill you support the GOP, but no skill means you support the DNC. Odd you would say that...

Not sure if you're serious. Surely you know what is colloquially referred to as the "skilled trades"...

Interesting that you consider the truth to be partisan.

Interesting that you believe only the GOP values and understands self-sacrifice.
 

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Lifer
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It may be the cause, but that doesn't mean the cause is justified or right.

Sure it does. The same reason why veterans get many benefits non-veterans do not get. When you are routinely willing to sacrifice your life to save the lives of others as part of your job, you gain benefits for doing so.

Those who are unwilling to sacrifice their lives for others simply do not get the same level of respect as those who do...and respect earns you benefits. It is the way humans work.
 

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Lifer
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Not sure if you're serious. Surely you know what is colloquially referred to as the "skilled trades"...

I do...but it was too good to pass up.

Interesting that you believe only the GOP values and understands self-sacrifice.

From what I gather, you do not place any importance or value upon the willingness of someone to sacrifice their life to protect the life of another. To you, that is the same as removing bags of garbage from the street.
 

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Lifer
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Sure it does. The same reason why veterans get many benefits non-veterans do not get. When you are routinely willing to sacrifice your life to save the lives of others as part of your job, you gain benefits for doing so.

Those benefits don't flow from a union. Veterans are a prime example of why unions aren't necessary.

Those who are unwilling to sacrifice their lives for others simply do not get the same level of respect as those who do...and respect earns you benefits. It is the way humans work.

Earning benefits by being respected is entirely different than earning benefits simply by being unionized.
 

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Lifer
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From what I gather, you do not place any importance or value upon the willingness of someone to sacrifice their life to protect the life of another. To you, that is the same as removing bags of garbage from the street.

I do place importance on that, actually. I think police/firefighters should be paid more than those who don't risk their lives. Where we disagree is on whether a union is necessary to achieve that. I assert that unions aren't necessary.
 

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I just finished a google search, and maybe my google-fu is low today, but I could not find any unions (other than police and fire fighters) who support the GOP on a regular basis. An individual one here and there, but not on a regular basis.

Can you show me what unions specifically support the GOP on a regular basis?


EDIT: I found this:

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

It lists the top 140 donars and what groups they donate to. From what I can see, none of the unions donated to the GOP.
 
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Lifer
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I just finished a google search, and maybe my google-fu is low today, but I could not find any unions (other than police and fire fighters) who support the GOP on a regular basis. An individual one here and there, but not on a regular basis.

Can you show me what unions specifically support the GOP on a regular basis?

http://naturalresources.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=277534

Private-sector union support for the GOP is usually centered around proposals like that one; things that bring jobs to the companies who employ tradesmen.
 
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