Reccomend me a Linux Distro

scottish144

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I've been using Ubuntu and Knoppix (I have a partition for each) almost constantly for the last few months (still using XP for gaming though). However, I've looked at the less noobish distros and I love the concept of Gentoo (compiling everything specifically for ur comp). However, I don't know either PERL or Python (although I am fluent in Java). Any reccomendations for a semi-advanced linux distro that would serve as a good intro to something like Gentoo?
 

drag

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Debian?

Ubuntu and Knoppix are based on Debian.. Debian is the most complete Linux distro that I know of. Use Sid if you want the 'most' advanced version.

Since your a java guy, maybe you'd be interested in the free software versions of java in gcj and the open source classpath stuff?
 

LokeanSon

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Honestly, if your goal is gentoo, jump in to Gentoo. As you still sound unsure of yourself, just make sure you have something useable you can boot into should something go wrong. But gentoo really isn't that hard, it just takes patience. It's a really fun distro for learning about lower level Linux stuff, assuming your idea of fun is doing things the hard way for the sake of learning.

Read through the install guide for your platform and ask for clarification of anything on their forums(search for the answer first), before you start the process. That will minimize the pain of a first install. Also, if you're putting this on an older system, make sure you have a lot of time free for the compilation process.
 

sourceninja

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You dont need to know how to program to use gentoo. Personally, I would stick with ubuntu, its not a noob distro. If you really feel you need more control, maybe try debian which ubuntu is based off of. Other then that, there are a lot of great distros out there that require more work to get using (which is what I think you mean by advanced). Arch linux is a good distro that takes a good chunk of knowedge to make usable. Slackware also will take some know-how to setup in a useable fashion (or at least it used too).

You really have to look at what you actually need from your os? Are you looking to tinker? Do you want to spend more time setting up your OS then actually using it? Do you want to help make linux better and develop it? Do you have weird system requirements? What do you think ubuntu is missing? What do you expect to gain from gentoo?

I am a gentoo user. I love gentoo. But for a newbie it will be annoying. It will be even more annoying if you do not really have a use for anything gentoo adds that ubuntu does not have. Because you will spend hours setting gentoo up only to find you are right back with what looks like ubuntu and uses the same apps as ubuntu. The only difference is installing an app takes 5X as long. I use gentoo because I have an AMD64 processor and I wanted an AMD64 linux distro. I found ubuntu lacking in 32bit support and packages with AMD64 linux. I also found that I was hand installing a ton of packages that I needed (mplayer 32 bit for example, and tons of librarys for games and such) just to get a usuable system. With gentoo I was able to specify exactly what I needed and do everything I wanted to do without all the chroot crap that I had to go though with ubuntu. I was also able to quickly find/update/or build ebuilds for things I was missing that were not in portage. Plus I love the fact that large binary packages like nwn, ut2004, doom3, etc are managed by portage so I dont have to worry about installing or patching them. They get patched with the rest of the system. I also an a freak about what libarays I get installed. Gentoo gave me control over that, but it took me a long time to really tweak out my make.conf to really get an advantage over ubuntu. (And the advantage is debatable). The final reason I use gentoo is because I have a ton of hardware and I find updates are easier to manage if they are all the same distro. I have one machine that syncs portage and I can use my faster machines to build the packages for my slower machines (such as my router). I also can save a good deal of space on my router with some good settings in make.conf. But really, I think most people use gentoo have better options that would be less hassle to setup. However once you have it setup, the hassle is gone and you dont even notice the fact things compile. Everything is still usable while compiling new updates and niceness keeps your system snappy. I really dont think much about the fact its gentoo anymore, everything just works.
 

nweaver

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Gentoo is not faster then most linux distros, but is fantastic (doing stage 1 or 2) to learn the inner workings of what really is on a box, what you HAVE to have versus what is nice to have, etc.

If you want to learn that stuff, do Gentoo, if you are looking for a slightly less noobish version, that works well, go Debian. Debian is my top distro atm, I went from RH9 to Gentoo to Debian. I run debian on several machines, and Ubuntu for my laptop (it's just too easy for a desktop)
 

sourceninja

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How do you learn more from a stage 1 or 2, the only real difference is that you can change a few CFLAGS/Chost before compiling gcc. After that and a TON of compiling you are still doing the stage 3 install, only you wasted a few hours of time for no reason if you are using a p4, p3, amdxp, amd64 or other supported archs. The only reason I can see for doing a stage 1 (or stage 1 on a stage 3) is because you want to use a compiler that is not the default. For example I used to do a stage 1 on a stage 3 install so that I could use gcc 3.4 and nptl. But now that 3.4 is in 2005.1 there is no reason to do a stage 1. In fact, thats why gentoo removed instructions on stage 1 and 2 (which is even more pointless then stage 1) from the guide.
 

scottish144

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Is OpenSuse any good? I'm looking at either that or Debian for now. I'' eventually get to Gentoo, but right now I just don't have the time to install it.
 

LokeanSon

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Originally posted by: scottish144
Is OpenSuse any good?

Yes, it's outstanding... But I wouldn't consider it a less "noobish" distro, but that depends on what you mean exactly by that.
 

scottish144

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Originally posted by: LokeanSon
Originally posted by: scottish144
Is OpenSuse any good?

Yes, it's outstanding... But I wouldn't consider it a less "noobish" distro, but that depends on what you mean exactly by that.


Less Noobish = more dealing directly with linux via command line as opposed to numerous frontends.
 

LokeanSon

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Less Noobish = more dealing directly with linux via command line as opposed to numerous frontends.

In that case, NO. It is definetly not less noobish in that regard.

Slakware might be a good fit. I don't have enough recent experience with Debian to judge it.
 
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