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Saint Nick

Lifer
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Did you get any internships while in school? Honestly, just because you did well in school doesn't mean it will help land an actual job. I had several internships before getting offered a position at my current company.
 

smackababy

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Again, I suggest talking to a recruiter. The chances of you landing your "perfect" job right out of college are next to impossible. Get a few years experience. You might take a pay cut or lose some benefits now, but in the long run all the real job experience and knowledge you will gain are things companies want. Also, do as much coding in your spare time as possible. If you want a job that lets you wear shorts and flip flops to work with the hours of 1-AM-2PM, you better be one amazing programmer.
 

Markbnj

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Again, I suggest talking to a recruiter. The chances of you landing your "perfect" job right out of college are next to impossible. Get a few years experience. You might take a pay cut or lose some benefits now, but in the long run all the real job experience and knowledge you will gain are things companies want. Also, do as much coding in your spare time as possible. If you want a job that lets you wear shorts and flip flops to work with the hours of 1-AM-2PM, you better be one amazing programmer.

It's possible the right recruiter might be of help, although they can be pretty mercenary as regards finding someone they can sell.

But the bottom line is, as you say, get coding. Write programs, get involved in some online communities, contribute to some open source projects, volunteer your services locally, whatever you need to do to establish a track record.
 

smackababy

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It's possible the right recruiter might be of help, although they can be pretty mercenary as regards finding someone they can sell.

But the bottom line is, as you say, get coding. Write programs, get involved in some online communities, contribute to some open source projects, volunteer your services locally, whatever you need to do to establish a track record.

Yes and no. They don't get paid unless the company hires you. And even with little to no experience, if you can do great in an interview you have a shot. Just sending your resume in blindly is a terrible way to get your foot in the door. Sure, it might work sometimes, but for a recent graduate with no experience, you're not getting many call backs. Recruiters usually work with managers enough to know they don't mind green coders and can get you a face to face.

Also, because you have no real experience, don't try and look at just software companies. A lot of banks need maintainers for their systems. Same with almost every company today because of the huge surge of web applications and services being offered.
 

Gronnie

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Good luck, I hope you find something really soon!

This thread has reminded me to start looking for an internship.
 

seanbrown5

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Thanks everyone for your advice. Update: I've made contact with a friend who is a dev at Microsoft and he thinks that I would be a great project manager. When I am ready (and have done a bit of refreshing on my course work and material) he's going to set me up with a mock-interview with a recruiter he knows. He will give me advice and study material for when I am ready to do an actual series of interviews.
I'm also applying at a couple of companies looking for developers on craigslist. One of them sounds pretty promising.
 

PowerYoga

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PMs will not program. at all.

If you're looking for a programming/technical position having done PM work will not help you at all in the future.
 

Markbnj

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PMs will not program. at all.

If you're looking for a programming/technical position having done PM work will not help you at all in the future.

In fact it will certainly hurt. Just think carefully about what you want to do before proceeding down that path. Project Management is a fine career, if that's what you want to do.
 

BoberFett

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I'd talk to a few recruiters and let them see your resume. Most developers don't work at software companies. They work for companies that have in house software. A recruiter can set you up on interviews that fit your knowledge and skill level. Chances are you won't get those "dream" jobs where you can work whatever hours, wear shorts and flip flops, and bring your dog to work, but corporate environments aren't as bad as people want to believe.

This.

There are a ton of jobs in maintaining customized software for companies of all different sizes. Go talk to some recruiters like Robert Half, etc. and have them place you. Eventually you'll find a niche and salary will start increasing.
 

BoberFett

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In fact it will certainly hurt. Just think carefully about what you want to do before proceeding down that path. Project Management is a fine career, if that's what you want to do.

This also.

Once you go down the management or project management path, your career as a programmer will be severely derailed. I used to be a pretty good programmer. There were better coders that could do more impressive things in a single line of code, but everyone appreciated my work because it was clean, organized, and understandable.

Nowadays? I got into IT management about 5 years ago, and haven't kept up on the latest languages, frameworks, etc. It would be extremely tough for me to go back to programming, I feel like I'd have to start back out in a junior position if I were forced to do that.
 

Leros

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Did you get any internships while in school? Honestly, just because you did well in school doesn't mean it will help land an actual job. I had several internships before getting offered a position at my current company.

I don't know anybody who got a decent job after graduating that didn't have at least one internship on their resume. It certainly makes a huge difference. The few people I know without internships either ended up in sales or support type role.
 

smackababy

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I don't know anybody who got a decent job after graduating that didn't have at least one internship on their resume. It certainly makes a huge difference. The few people I know without internships either ended up in sales or support type role.

I didn't do any internships or even finish my degree and I got a good job. But, I probably worked harder and had more discipline than the average programmer. Doing a term in the military as a programmer also helped because I had experience actually working.
 

EagleKeeper

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Doing a term in the military as a programmer also helped because I had experience actually working.
Yeah that's a big difference .

Did 3 months as an intern for the DOT doing simulation work.
Recommended by a prof in my final semester - only taking 2 classes Undergrad and grad.

As an Air Force officer, that simulation work lead me into weapons simulation/testing for the Eagle.

When I came off of active duty, went to work for the same company as my best man was at
But had a 25% salary over him.

Military training in computers can lead onward, civilian or government work.

One does not have to be an officer either; plenty of enlisted either learn programming and/or as techs can almost write their on ticket.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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Did 3 months as an intern for the DOT doing simulation work.
Recommended by a prof in my final semester - only taking 2 classes Undergrad and grad.

As an Air Force officer, that simulation work lead me into weapons simulation/testing for the Eagle.

When I came off of active duty, went to work for the same company as my best man was at
But had a 25% salary over him.

Military training in computers can lead onward, civilian or government work.

One does not have to be an officer either; plenty of enlisted either learn programming and/or as techs can almost write their on ticket.

There is a computer programmer AFSC for enlisted Airmen. Sadly, there is little to no real training and you don't have to be good at your job to remain in the Air Force. There is a lot of waste, but quite a few people learn everything they can and get out at E-4/5 and make more than double what they were making being enlisted.
 

EagleKeeper

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There is a computer programmer AFSC for enlisted Airmen. Sadly, there is little to no real training and you don't have to be good at your job to remain in the Air Force. There is a lot of waste, but quite a few people learn everything they can and get out at E-4/5 and make more than double what they were making being enlisted.

enlisted or commissioned - the salary issue holds true.

Even with the housing and other benefits; it does not match up to the real world.
It is a labor of love until the 20 yr mark.
 
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