Recommend me a fancy tablet to replace Asus EP121.

Jeff7

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Update at bottom of post....


Hopefully this belongs here and not in Mobile, since this thing was nearly as powerful as a laptop.
I've had an Asus EP121 for quite a few years now, and it's been feeling sluggish for several months as software gets more...."feature-rich," shall we say? It's got an i5 470UM (1.33GHz) - dual-core, Hyperthreaded.
Then recently the fan bearings started groaning, and they conveniently use fully sealed bearings that can't be oiled. Its battery life has also been kind of pathetic from the start, clocking in at around 90 minutes if it's doing something like playing 720p video or using the Internet. I can squeeze 4hrs if it's only acting as an oversize music player with the screen turned off.

So maybe it's time for something new.

What I like about what I have now:

- Two full-size USB ports. When traveling for work, I always bring along a USB hub. I'd prefer a tablet with 4 or more USB ports. :whiste: I have to bring along a USB Wifi adapter because I've yet to be in a hotel where I can get decent access with the built-in Wifi.
- It has a stylus and a built-in slot for storing it. It uses a Wacom digitizer, and the stylus includes pressure sensitivity functionality on both ends.
- Mini-HDMI output, 3.5mm headphone jack, and an SD card slot.
- 12.1" IPS widescreen. I don't like anything that has a tiny screen, unless it's a graphing calculator, and I wouldn't want anything smaller than this. While it is IPS, there is some brightness loss and color shift when viewed off-axis, but it's far better than a TN screen.
- It survived a 2ft drop onto concrete, landing corner-first. It incurred some scrapes and some deformation of the frame, but it still worked. I don't intend to drop my new tablet very often , but that was a nice surprise.
- The I/O is all built into the same unit. There's no docking station. On most other units, the vast majority of connectivity options are on the docking station/keyboard.


Microsoft's got their Surface tablets, but:
- MicroSD slot only, not a full-size SD slot.
- No HDMI port, but it looks like I could get an adapter for its DisplayPort. (I'm not up on the latest connectors for displays. Heck, most of what I use is still DVI.)
- A single USB port.
- 3:2 aspect ratio? I thought everything was 16:9 or at least 16:10 these days.



What else is available that approaches the specs of the EP121?
I'd likely keep the thing if only I could upgrade the processor, but it's a BGA device soldered right to the motherboard, so no luck there. The wifi board, RAM, and SSD can all be upgraded, but they went with the BGA thing to save weight, cost, and space. Bummer.

I can go >$1k cost on this.

Thank you!




Update: When making this thread, I did end up forgetting how little time I had available. This fan problem came at a rather bad time, as I'm leaving in about a week for a 2-week training trip for work. I'd really rather not have to rely on either public hotel computers, if any are even available, or else an old loaner laptop from work. Any replacement fans I can find for the EP121 ship from China, and likely wouldn't arrive until well after I've left.

"Google it" was the answer here, as it turns out that other people are also specifically looking for EP121 replacements. It seems like this tablet was a bit ahead of its time, at least so far as being a massive workhorse (a 2.55 pound tablet), and for awhile there weren't any others on the market that could match its feature set. So, it earned a decent following, but Asus seems to have little interest in making a successor.

Winner: Fujitsu Q775. They have some other hybrid options that serve as both laptop and tablet, but many of them offer virtually no connectivity options on the tablet part. The Q775 offers most of what I was looking for, including two USB ports and micro-HDMI, but no full-size SD card slot. Oh well, guess I'll need a USB plugin for that.
I do get a 2x boost in CPU speed, a bigger SSD, a slightly bigger fancier screen, and much better battery life.


Update 2: Ordered the tablet. It lit up every fraud protection alert warning light from here to California. Visa put a hold on the charge and called. TigerDirect then put the order on hold and called. I'm on hold at the moment....
Maybe trying to buy cocaine would have aroused less suspicion.
 
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Jeff7

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Update 3: Got the tablet. It's a lemon.
First thing that I noticed was that the Volume-down button didn't do anything. Then the sound stopped playing completely, the audio player froze, and the volume icon in the system tray sprouted a small red X. I suddenly had no audio devices.
In Device Manager, there is no longer even a "sound, video and game controllers" section, nor are there any unknown devices. It just disappeared.
Rebooted, it was back for a few minutes, then it went away again, and now it's gone for good.

The touchscreen has also stopped working, and the USB ports don't seem to work now either, so I have no way of generating inputs beyond an up arrow and Enter, which is accomplished by using the few functioning buttons on the tablet itself. I don't even get anything from the numlock or capslock LEDs on the keyboard.
I do at least have +5V at the USB ports, so if nothing else, I've got a really expensive USB charging station.
The thing's running though. I can push the Windows button and the Start Menu pops up. I just can't generate any inputs other than the windows button and the Volume-Up button.


I leave for the training seminar in a few days. Thank you for this crap tablet, Fujitsu.



I'd have bought an Asus EP121 v2, if they'd ever made one.

- Desperately needs longer battery life. 1.5-2hrs is just lousy.
- Faster processor. The original i5 CPU is a bit dated these days.
- Better touchscreen. It had some precision issues.
 
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Buttercream

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Dell latitude 13 7000 2-1. Starts at $1200, a bit above your budget. Core M, SD card reader, mini displayport. Includes the keyboard dock with 2 USB connector on the back.

I believe HP has a similar product as well, maybe a tad smaller.
 

Jeff7

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Jan 4, 2001
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Dell latitude 13 7000 2-1. Starts at $1200, a bit above your budget. Core M, SD card reader, mini displayport. Includes the keyboard dock with 2 USB connector on the back.

I believe HP has a similar product as well, maybe a tad smaller.
I'm after something all-in-one, where the ports and all are on the same device. On most of the ones I came across, the tablet portion has a few buttons and a power connector. The EP121 and the Q775 have everything built into the tablet part: 2x USB ports, SD/MicroSD slot, HDMI output, and so on. The EP121 was even fully designed to be a single thing, as it had no docking port on it. Good design, I would have loved to upgrade it and keep it. Darn BGA processor. :\
And...oops. That should have been a greater-than sign in the OP for price.

Also, a note to Fujitsu: It's very stupid to put the power button right next to the volume control buttons.
On the EP121, the power switch was next to the on-screen keyboard button. The keyboard button is a button. The power switch is a slider switch. I don't think I ever accidentally turned off that tablet when fumbling for the keyboard button.



Update: I applied caveman tactics and started smashing buttons during bootup. It let me into BIOS.
The BIOS has touchscreen support.
I haven't seen that before. I've seen mouse support in a few, but never touchscreen. So the touchscreen isn't bodged at the hardware level.

All features are enabled. USB 3.0 is active, USB 2.0 port is enabled, Legacy USB support is enabled. But I still can't use a keyboard.


Update: After way too much hassle with TigerDirect, they finally gave me an RMA and a refund for the defective tablet.


Update, 2016-07-05: Someone emailed me asking about this, so here's an update:

The replacement Q775 is working fine, for the most part. The touchscreen will occasionally become unresponsive to touch for a few minutes. It still works with the stylus during this time. But, I've encountered this same issue on other touchscreen devices as well, including the EP121. I don't know what causes it to stop or start working like that.
I also bought Fujitsu's TPU Backshell with handstrap. It of course provides the handy strap, and it also helps toughen up the tablet. On its own, it's more fragile than the EP121. I believe the 121 was built to be "semi-rugged,"
I've still got the power button's shutdown functionality disabled, but it's not been a problem.
Battery life is still good, way better than the 121's.
 
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Buttercream

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Most Windows tablet now days, with exception to smaller 8 inch models, comes with a keyboard dock.

If you're still looking, some alternatives:

HP Envy x2. $699. 13.3 in, Core M, 8GB/256GB, no SD card reader, a little heavy at 2.8 pounds for the tablet itself, and almost 4 pound with keyboard. But, 2 USB port, and a HDMI (full size) port, and the keyboard is a thin fabric covered one a la Surface, so all the port's on the tablet it self.

Acer Aspire Switch 11. $517. 11.6 in, Core i3, 4GB/128GB, micro SD card reader, one usb, micro HDMI, 1.8/3.6 pounds. The power button is next to the volume button though.
 

Essence_of_War

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Microsoft's got their Surface tablets, but:
- MicroSD slot only, not a full-size SD slot.
- No HDMI port, but it looks like I could get an adapter for its DisplayPort. (I'm not up on the latest connectors for displays. Heck, most of what I use is still DVI.)
- A single USB port.
- 3:2 aspect ratio? I thought everything was 16:9 or at least 16:10 these days.
MicroSD is standard for compact form factors.

mDP -> HDMI/single-link DVI can be done with inexpensive passive adapters. Dual-Link DVI is expensive.

The 3:2 aspect ratio is actually a feature. The screen size increased from Pro2 -> Pro3 from 10.6in to 12in, which on its own gives ~28% increase in surface area, but with the change in aspect ratio also, the display has ~39% more surface area than the pro1/pro2. The aspect ratio change means video content will have horizontal black bars, but IMHO having more usable surface area for applications, and a better aspect ratio for reading text and web content are a big step-up.
 
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