recommendation of budget SSD

yon1000

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Hello,
I would like to buy a budget SSD.
The usage of the system is no more than watching music and using Office!
I dont what is the most important thing in SSD. The read speed or the write?
The budget is 60$ MAX.(120GB)
I can't purchase all kinds of ssd. This is the list:
OCZ ARC 100
Corasir Force LS
Transcend SSD370
Crucial M500
Silicon Power V70/V60 .

And one more thing, is there a huge difference in performance between 64GB and 128GB?
 

yon1000

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Thx
One more Question, I can get The SP V60 64Gb for almost half the price of the OCZ ARC100 120GB. Is there going to be a huge difference in daily performance (Boot times, multitasking and more)
 

CiPHER

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Why would you get an OCZ SSD for the same price as a proper SSD like Crucial MX100? Why would you get an inferior SSD at all, which lacks essential protections like journaling, RAID5 bitcorrection and power-safe capacitors?

Better stick to the mainstream of Intel, Crucial and Samsung. Those have well designed products that are reliable, well tested, cheap and fast. There is no reason to look at other brands with more exotic controllerchips which have seen less exposure in the wild. You might save one dollar, but it could mean the world of difference in reality.

And OCZ, seriously? Even when companies start selling crap with over 50% failure rate, people still recommend that trash? Sure Toshiba bought them, but probably more for the patents than the technology. It's not like OCZ brings anything interesting to the table, except maybe good marketing.
 

yon1000

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Why would you get an OCZ SSD for the same price as a proper SSD like Crucial MX100? Why would you get an inferior SSD at all, which lacks essential protections like journaling, RAID5 bitcorrection and power-safe capacitors?

Better stick to the mainstream of Intel, Crucial and Samsung. Those have well designed products that are reliable, well tested, cheap and fast. There is no reason to look at other brands with more exotic controllerchips which have seen less exposure in the wild. You might save one dollar, but it could mean the world of difference in reality.

And OCZ, seriously? Even when companies start selling crap with over 50% failure rate, people still recommend that trash? Sure Toshiba bought them, but probably more for the patents than the technology. It's not like OCZ brings anything interesting to the table, except maybe good marketing.

So what is your recommendation.
The MX100 is too expensive in my country
 

john3850

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I paid $69 for a 240GB m500 during the holidays.
I would only buy a ssd from a memory manufacturer.
Most memory manufacturer keep the best for there own products and sell the rest.
Avoid all cheap sandforce drives.
That only leaves the Crucial M500 on your list.
 

CiPHER

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So what is your recommendation.
The MX100 is too expensive in my country
In the EU the MX100 256GB is 95 euro, same as the OCZ ARC 100 which is only 240GB instead of 256GB.

The only affordable competitor to the Crucial MX100 - Samsung EVO - is more expensive in the EU: 115 euro.

Are you saying in your country it is the other way around, Crucial MX100 is more expensive?

I strongly recommend you choose between Intel 320/S3500/3700 (expensive) or Crucial MX100 (cheap) or Crucial MX200 (less cheap) or Samsung 850 EVO (less cheap). Those are quality SSDs. Because the MX100 is about 20% cheaper, i recommend that instead. But if for some reason in your country the Crucial is much more expensive than the other brands like Samsung, you can choose a different product instead. But never buy an inferior SSD for a couple dollars less!
 

birthdaymonkey

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In that case I would recommend the OCZ ARC 100.

If Kristian recommends the Arc 100 I'd take his recommendation seriously. He writes the SSD articles for AT, so I'd put more stock in his opinion than anecdotal reports and OCZ hate. Besides, the MX100 has potential issues.

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/MX100-Causes-Bluescreens-Disappears-from-system/td-p/162778

Google it. Many reports of this kind of problem.

The only Crucial option on OP's list was the M500, which is really slow in its 120GB variant.
 

CiPHER

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Even Anand himself did use tools like unpatched IOmeter to give OCZ/Sandforce SSDs good reviews, only to read in the comments that his review was faulty.

I recommend caution when presuming that reviewers and reviewsites know all there is to know. They might imply that by their style of writing, but i found that truth is hidden between the noise on the internet, and virtually every storage benchmark out there in the world, is faulty in some way.
 

Hellhammer

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and virtually every storage benchmark out there in the world, is faulty in some way.

Every benchmark, regardless of what you test, has its limitations. That's why we use several different tools to draw the big picture.
 

CiPHER

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I know you guys are doing a good job at trying to provide good benchmarks and analyses. Please do not take my rationale personal in any way. It is not meant that way. But i did try to convey my point, that virtually all storage benchmarks out there offer no true understanding of what the numbers mean, why the numbers are as they are. In many cases the numbers do not mean much at all, either because it resembles a scenario that is extremely implausible for the majority of readers, or because of benchmark contamination. In the latter case, you do not really know what the numbers mean any more. In many cases, the storage articles do not give me enough information to judge whether the results where obtained properly. Access to the raw test data is rare.

In general, articles can present beautiful graphs but the true aim should be to explain exactly to the reader what the numbers mean, and for that the reviewer - the person writing the article and performing the benchmarks - needs to be totally aware of why the numbers are as they are, and be aware of what scenario's are important to the readers. A good rule of thumb is that you should already know the numbers before you hit the start benchmark-button. Only then i think someone is competent enough to write a proper article about storage performance.

I have not seen one truly amazing and correct RAID benchmark article to date. But there is evolution. In the early days AnandTech and StorageReview dismissed RAID for the desktop because it had very little performance benefit in reality. But they used a PCI FakeRAID card and with too low stripesize and a 31.5K misaligned XP-partition to prove their point. Later Anand missed the ball on Sandforce, but the level of knowledge kept increasing and very interesting articles were written. So there is progression in the quality of information and implicit advice offered, but it is not clear to the readers what information to trust or take seriously.

So i guess my point is that, people should be more cautious to simply accept anything that is written - even by a reputable reviewsite, which i consider Anandtech to be part of. No doubt the articles have added value, but benchmarks can be very misleading. There is a reason people are buying overpriced Samsung SSDs and unknown budget SSDs that are either mediocre or crap due to exotic bugs that you will never read about. Worse, these budget SSDs are often only a few dollars cheaper, and sometimes the difference is about even, with good SSDs like the Crucial MX100. Samsung 830 was cheap in the past, but they went sneaky and introduced a high-performance and expensive 840 Pro, to raise the acceptable price bar of the 840 and later 840 EVO that was selling above the price point of Crucial's SSDs.

I think Crucial still is the best all round choice for consumers. It has all the protections you want for a desktop: RAID5 bitcorrection and capacitors, so resilient against bad pages (high uBER) and resilient against unexpected power-loss. The read performance is excellent, the write performance depends on the size of the model. Only the 512GB model has almost SATA/600 capped writes. This shows off as a huge difference in the benchmarks, but in reality a small SSD will have only the OS and a few games on it. When will you be writing 500MB/s to it? You might read 500MB/s quite often though, when starting a game after a reboot. So benchmarks usually are misleading in that they favor writing while in reality reading is more common. The cause - i think - is that the captured I/O is performed at maximum speed and inaccurately timed queue depth. While in reality 4K writes happen in bunches with time in between, which all modern SSDs handle quite well.
 
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CiPHER

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MX100 is basically the cheaper version of the M550 and the successor to the M500. The M500 may even have a theoretical advantage, in that it uses 1/16 parity bitcorrection, while the newer Crucial SSDs with Marvell-chip get 1/128 parity bitcorrection. This offers less protection against multiple unreadable pages, but can offer more storage space (240->256GB).
 

MongGrel

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Crucial seems to be the rage these days, I bought a couple Sammy Evos for my first SSD's probably a year ago or more that I have had no problems with.

I used to use a lot of OCZ, perhaps things have changed, I haven't in a long time.
 
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MongGrel

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I paid $69 for a 240GB m500 during the holidays.
I would only buy a ssd from a memory manufacturer.
Most memory manufacturer keep the best for there own products and sell the rest.
Avoid all cheap sandforce drives.
That only leaves the Crucial M500 on your list.


And OCZ used to be mainly RAM years ago...

Like I said, I just haven't went that way in a long time, prefer G'Skill for RAM these days.
 

Coup27

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_CiPHER_ do you mind if I ask your background?

Do you work for Crucial or Micron?
 

CiPHER

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I will maintain that i absolutely have no commercial ties to any industry connected to SSD whatsoever. I have been approached by Micron in the past however, but i have not replied to their two emails.

In other words, i pretend to be completely impartial - the ideal outsider that knows a bunch but doesn't have any interests of his own to mislead people to his own advantage.
 

Coup27

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I will maintain that i absolutely have no commercial ties to any industry connected to SSD whatsoever. I have been approached by Micron in the past however, but i have not replied to their two emails.

In other words, i pretend to be completely impartial - the ideal outsider that knows a bunch but doesn't have any interests of his own to mislead people to his own advantage.
Interesting answer.
 

Hulk

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For desktop, among those choices I'd go for the M500.
 
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