Recommendations: Hood Scoops

[Saga]

Well. The girlfriend-wife liked my 2007 Legacy enough to decide she wanted it as her daily driver to replace her aging 2000 Lexus RX 300. Normally I wouldn't agree to these types of Shenanigans, however this gives me the opportunity to do something I've wanted to do for quite some time.

To make a long story short I picked up a 2008 Legacy (big jump, amiright?) that actually has a color I'm not ashamed to go out in public in and came pre-tinted 20 all around to boot, so I'm a happy camper. Now I've been collecting bolt-on components from a GT to turn the new Subbie into a sleeper GT. The dilemma; I don't want to put the intake under the car, as where I live snow and rain are common and thats too big of a hassle for a daily driver. What are the AT car guru's consensus on stealth scoops? I'm trying to avoid the traditional hood scoop or cowl scoops as the objective would be to make it as hard to detect as possible.

Suggestions?

 

[Howard]

Where's the stock intake located?

 

[herm0016]

under hood pics could be helpful too. I am a big fan of scoops and cold air systems that are stealthy. Probably the first mod I will do to my trans am.

 

[Saga]

Won't be able to snap any shots under the hood until late tonight or early tomorrow, trying frantically to find a clean image online atm..

 

[Dman877]

Collecting bolt-on components from a GT does not mean you will be able to build a sleeper GT. Are you planning on swapping engine internals as well?

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Collecting bolt-on components from a GT does not mean you will be able to build a sleeper GT. Are you planning on swapping engine internals as well?

This isn't my first rodeo. I'm pretty familiar working on rotaries back to the RX7 days (j spec swaps for giggles and the like) so the only genuine difference is I have to rely more on people who've built Subbie engines for specific technical. You're stating the obvious, and realistically there is no such thing as simple bolt on. It'll be built, I'm putting around eight grand into the engine alone. Should see the cams! :thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

hoop scoop location is more dependent on where the nearest Type-R, RACTIVE, or Y0 JDM TITE! stickers are.

Don't forget a large rear wing as it will create a vacuum that pulls more air through the intake/exhaust system.

Any pics?

 

[Dman877]

The hood scoop on the GT's is for an intercooler, not an intake. Leave the intake stock and just mount the intercooler in front. There are plenty of options as far as that goes.

If you need a new intake, most people usually just put them in the stock location and pull out the factory ducting in front...

Unless you got a really good deal on that car, it probably would have made more sense to just get a GT and do a hood swap. How much WHP are you looking for?

 

[w00t]

build a duct to grab air and bring it to your air filter

 

[AdamK47]

You should put a shaker hood on it.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Saga
Won't be able to snap any shots under the hood until late tonight or early tomorrow, trying frantically to find a clean image online atm..

Under the hood of the girlfriend-wife? The less clean the better!

 

[NutBucket]

As a Legacy owner this thread has fail written all over it.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

you'll get much more help @ nasioc.com.

AT users dont know much about modifying cars

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
you'll get much more help @ nasioc.com.

AT users dont know much about modifying cars

While going to nasioc.com is sound advice, I completely disagree with the available knowledge about cars on these forums. Some of the garage members have a massive amount of knowledge about automobiles, whether they be domestic or import. The problem is not with us, it is with you.

If you don't do what you do just to be a troll, then I honestly feel sorry for you. I can only imagine how being so incredibly inept at accepting facts (or at least respecting another's opinion) would cripple your ability to interact socially with another individual for any extended period of time. You have consistently shown that you are useless except for being a blind fanboy, and are only able to comprehend things that fit within your limited world view.

You were fun to pick arguments with for a short time, then you were funny to laugh at, but now it's getting old. I really wish someone would ban you, but at this point it's clear it won't happen. I for one, will never reply to a post of yours again.

Grow the fuck up,
CrazySOB

Originally posted by: Saga
This isn't my first rodeo. I'm pretty familiar working on rotaries back to the RX7 days (j spec swaps for giggles and the like) so the only genuine difference is I have to rely more on people who've built Subbie engines for specific technical. You're stating the obvious, and realistically there is no such thing as simple bolt on. It'll be built, I'm putting around eight grand into the engine alone. Should see the cams! :thumbsup:

Specs on the build?

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
you'll get much more help @ nasioc.com.

AT users dont know much about modifying cars

While going to nasioc.com is sound advice, I completely disagree with the available knowledge about cars on these forums. Some of the garage members have a massive amount of knowledge about automobiles, whether they be domestic or import. The problem is not with us, it is with you.

If you don't do what you do just to be a troll, then I honestly feel sorry for you. I can only imagine how being so incredibly inept at accepting facts (or at least respecting another's opinion) would cripple your ability to interact socially with another individual for any extended period of time. You have consistently shown that you are useless except for being a blind fanboy, and are only able to comprehend things that fit within your limited world view.

You were fun to pick arguments with for a short time, then you were funny to laugh at, but now it's getting old. I really wish someone would ban you, but at this point it's clear it won't happen. I for one, will never reply to a post of yours again.

Grow the fuck up,
CrazySOB

I think LOUISSSSS is the Garage version of Rollo. He probably gets paid from one or all of the Japanese companies to spread their rhetoric.

 

[burnout8488]

Originally posted by: NutBucket
As a Legacy owner this thread has fail written all over it.

Agreed.

The 2.5i is probably not worth doing this to. I really hate to say it but this is one of those situations where you should have just gotten a GT to begin with. It would be more reliable, and probably faster. Among other things, you'd get better brakes too.

If you really want to go through with this, Rallitek is marketing an N/A Cobb Accessport for the 2.5i. It should be released around September '09. Maps will be available for aftermarket turbo kits/superchargers. Also, there will be maps for Stage1/2 N/A builds as well. (Header, cams, etc...)

AVO has a turbo kit in the works, and Raptor has a supercharger kit as well. Rallitek is creating the maps for both of these prototype kits now; they should be available late summer. All for the 2.5i.

The turbo kit from AVO will use a top mount intercooler, in which case you'd need to get a GT hood. There are FMIC (Front mount intercooler) kits for the GT which can probably be adapted to this kit though, then save the money you'd end up spending on getting a hood. That would get you the sleeper look.

It might be better to do one of the above options rather than use the GT parts. You won't be able to get a tune for the stock GT setup unless you get a pro-tune on a dyno, which is $$$ on top of the $695 the AccessPort costs. Also, the stock 2.5i block can only handle low boost from what I hear. I'm not sure where the stock GT turbo/wastegate peak at without the factory boost controller, but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way.

Lastly, you won't be able to run the GT ECU unless you did a full swap of the dash and engine harness. Everything.

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
AT users dont know much about modifying cars

I don't know a damn thing.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: burnout8488

Originally posted by: NutBucket
As a Legacy owner this thread has fail written all over it.

Agreed.

The 2.5i is probably not worth doing this to. I really hate to say it but this is one of those situations where you should have just gotten a GT to begin with. It would be more reliable, and probably faster. Among other things, you'd get better brakes too.

If you really want to go through with this, Rallitek is marketing an N/A Cobb Accessport for the 2.5i. It should be released around September '09. Maps will be available for aftermarket turbo kits/superchargers. Also, there will be maps for Stage1/2 N/A builds as well. (Header, cams, etc...)

AVO has a turbo kit in the works, and Raptor has a supercharger kit as well. Rallitek is creating the maps for both of these prototype kits now; they should be available late summer. All for the 2.5i.

The turbo kit from AVO will use a top mount intercooler, in which case you'd need to get a GT hood. There are FMIC (Front mount intercooler) kits for the GT which can probably be adapted to this kit though, then save the money you'd end up spending on getting a hood. That would get you the sleeper look.

It might be better to do one of the above options rather than use the GT parts. You won't be able to get a tune for the stock GT setup unless you get a pro-tune on a dyno, which is $$$ on top of the $695 the AccessPort costs. Also, the stock 2.5i block can only handle low boost from what I hear. I'm not sure where the stock GT turbo/wastegate peak at without the factory boost controller, but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way.

Lastly, you won't be able to run the GT ECU unless you did a full swap of the dash and engine harness. Everything.

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
AT users dont know much about modifying cars

I don't know a damn thing.

From the sound of it, he bought the lower end model with the intent of replacing the entire drive train with aftermarket parts. Buying a GT would be a waste of money if you're planning on tearing it all apart and replacing the drivetrain. $8k should get you a lot of motor.

If that's not the case, then you're absolutely correct. This idea is dumb.

 

[Vetterin]

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: Dman877
Collecting bolt-on components from a GT does not mean you will be able to build a sleeper GT. Are you planning on swapping engine internals as well?

This isn't my first rodeo. I'm pretty familiar working on rotaries back to the RX7 days (j spec swaps for giggles and the like) so the only genuine difference is I have to rely more on people who've built Subbie engines for specific technical. You're stating the obvious, and realistically there is no such thing as simple bolt on. It'll be built, I'm putting around eight grand into the engine alone. Should see the cams! :thumbsup:

As a 06 Legacy GT wagon owner all I can say is you're wasting your time and money.

 

[fbrdphreak]

I really hope you aren't trying to make a 2.5i into a GT. Let's count all the differences:

Wheels
Brakes (rotors, calipers, spindles, oh my!)
Steering rack
Bushings
Engine
Turbo
Intercooler
Hood
Transmission
Steering wheel
SI drive

I'm sure there's some more I'm missing.

If you're going this far you should also put in the 6MT from the Spec.B and put a locking diff up front. What the hell, it's only money...

P.S. An intake is a waste of money. But wait, you seem to be okay with that...

 

[sdifox]

Err, it's your SO's car right? What are you doing modding it as opposed to your own car? Modded cars are more prone to failures.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: sdifox
Err, it's your SO's car right? What are you doing modding it as opposed to your own car? Modded cars are more prone to failures.

He gave his wife his old '07 Legacy.

He bought an '08 and is modding the shit out of his new toy.

 

[Saga]

There appears to be a lot of negativity in this thread. I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not as I would probably be acting the same way as many people here. The reality is I came here giving a little background information (which turned out to be TOO much background information, apparently) when all I really wanted was advice on if I should attempt to fabricate some type of stealth scoop to make the car appear to be a vanilla Legacy.

To attempt to alleviate some of the concerns I've seen voiced repeatedly, I did NOT want to buy a Legacy GT simply because that was not my intention or goal with this car. I've become very fond of Subbie's after driving one for a few years as a daily driver and I've basically tapped out on new things I can do to my truck outside stripping off a thousand pounds of interior creature comforts to make it faster, it's already doing 700+HP.

When I was younger my dad owned a Buick Grand National and it was a car he constantly worked on purely out of a love of cars. He then bought (piece by piece) all the parts to build (through the course of about four years) a 73 El Camino. I remember hours watching him spend his spare time sanding down panels and painting, inspecting with a microscope and then re-sanding and re-painting until it was perfect.

No, I do not do all of my work myself. But the thing is, I would like to! Had I spent more time with my father my skills would be far more advanced, but at this point I am simply in the stage of learning as I go. I enjoy rushing headlong into things and finding out what works, and I have the support of many 15+ year veterans in various fields from engine customization, body specialists, and turbo/supercharger guru's - and all of them enjoy teaching me through doing. I don't know as much as I want, but someday I will.

With that out of the way (I've been trying hard not to be wordy, sorry) I decided to pick something a little unusual for my kit car. Something modern and that I was already comfortable with. Ultimately I will spend anywhere from $20,000-$40,000 on the car total (I probably have $80,000 in my truck..), and my end objective is to have the car appear as close to a stock vanilla Legacy as possible, while being an absolute monster under the hood. I understand things like brakes, suspension, electronics, and a plethora of other components will need to do during this process, but to be honest I have no problem doing it slowly over a two to six year period, because the entire point of doing this is to learn in a hands-on way. I'm going to break shit, I'm going to make mistakes, I'm going to make experienced vets laugh and then cry, but I'm going to gain experience and knowledge in doing so - and in the end thats all I want.

Money is just that. Money. You only live once. I personally don't expect to see my 50's, so I'm going to have as much fun while I can. Judge that however you want, the reality is all I did was come here asking about hood scoops - thats all. /shrug

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Saga
There appears to be a lot of negativity in this thread. I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not as I would probably be acting the same way as many people here. The reality is I came here giving a little background information (which turned out to be TOO much background information, apparently) when all I really wanted was advice on if I should attempt to fabricate some type of stealth scoop to make the car appear to be a vanilla Legacy.

The information was actually too little, no one here understood your goals for the car. The way you described it sounded like you wanted to turn your '08 Legacy into a Legacy GT, which would be a completely waste of money because you could buy a Legacy GT for cheaper than the cost to convert.

Anyways, I don't really feel like subie's can pull off stealth hood scoops, they either have it or they don't. I see WRX STI's with hood swaps for a smaller scoop and it looks goofy. I think you'll find a scoop completely unecessary with an FMIC though, depending on the conditions the car is going to drive in.

 

[Saga]

Since I've already gotten a PM from someone who didn't want to rag on the tail end of my post, I'll simply cover something I've posted about a few times throughout the years that doesn't really required a detailed repeating. I am relatively unconcerned with some things most people worry about, such as saving every penny I make and buying a house for myself in the future. I have a genetic terminal illness and will unlikely live longer than 15 more years. My goals during the time I have remaining are, quite simply, to enjoy them. Learning is a passion for me, and as long as I'm not living paycheck to paycheck and I have the ability in the end to leave something for my loved ones, I'll be happy with that.

Anyway. I appreciate the advice. Hell, I even appreciate the criticism. I don't want to be a guy riding around in a vette. I want to make something with my own hands, and I don't quite care if it's not what others deem normal.. hell most of my friends call the Legacy a "Hairdressers car". But in the end, it's only what you make of it.

 

[NutBucket]

If you bought a 2.5i with this goal in mind you're still a moron since it would be far simpler to buy a GT, install a FMIC with whatever size turbo you want and get a 2.5i hood. Instant hairdresser car. Besides, most people don't give a GT a second look anyway. It really does look a lot like a previous gen Camry from some angles.

Have fun with your build, whatever it is.