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Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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One thing worse than the $16 McDonald's combo or the $28 Taco Bell lunch is conservative columnist David Brooks claiming his mediocre burger and fries at an airport restaurant cost a whopping $78. (The devil is in the details, or the devil is the lying sack of shit I guess.)

Must of forgot about the drink with the double bonus.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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This is the problem with de-caring society, it's a huge chicken and egg thing. You basically have to make driving slightly more painful while you make alternatives less painful. But no city will fund a proper alternatives until people use them. It obviously impossible to get rid of all street parking any time soon, but in commercial areas it should be mostly done away with. People can park and ride in, or pay for parking in a lot/garage. Or the business can choose to provide free/cheap parking.

In lower density residential areas without driveways/garages, you probably can't get rid of it any time soon.

I do also agree they have to go hand in hand. I'm just saying you can't just drastically cut street parking before starting on other transit initiatives.

I can say in NJ/NYC people use mass transit a shit ton. From NJ Transit commuter trains out into the burbs,, to more urban modes like the PATH and the light rail, and buses which serve both. The issue is, the service they provide is not enough. Sometimes it's just enough at rush hour, but outside those hours quality of service drops drastically. People that would use mass transit more on weekends and nights simply can't, because there is barely service, or it's quite lackluster.

Even here with the best mass transit in the country, it's still treated primarily as a get to and get from work service. The subway in the city is better than the other mass transit in the area for time away from work excursions such as weekends and late nights. But things like the commuter trains out to the burbs, light rail and PATH service in urban areas, it's a joke during those times.

Meanwhile in NYC, cycling keeps growing and growing

 

APU_Fusion

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It is hilarious. Economy is doing well but watch out it may be worse in future. Fear the future …. Economy is doing horrible right now says Fox “News” …. But look at numbers normal people say …. But the current numbers only show that in the future the economy could be worse Fox ”News” replies so that means it is horrible now. ….. …… …… wat?

3rd quarter gdp
 
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NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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Bathrooms cost money build. That cost is “baked” into the price of constructing the apartment, baked into the price the landlord pays for the building, and they are “baked” into the rent people pay for the apartment that the landlord charges to recover the cost of purchasing the apartment.

That’s what @fskimospy is saying.

Also it’s spelled preposterous.
The landlord does not add a fee for bathrooms baked into the rent, which is what fskimospy said. That argument is fundamentally flawed. I have explained why.

AS for spelling, one of the greatest minds ever, Albert Einstein was a bad speller.. think about that before you go and correct someone (it doesn't fucking matter).
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I can garantee you my property taxes alone, more than pay for that road side parking in front of my residence.

I'm pretty sure they don't. Your property taxes pay for local services, and to keep your community liveable. I very much doubt they cover the rental value of the costly urban land in front of your residence - land that you don't actually own.


This is the problem with de-caring society, it's a huge chicken and egg thing. You basically have to make driving slightly more painful while you make alternatives less painful. But no city will fund a proper alternatives until people use them. It obviously impossible to get rid of all street parking any time soon, but in commercial areas it should be mostly done away with. People can park and ride in, or pay for parking in a lot/garage. Or the business can choose to provide free/cheap parking.

In lower density residential areas without driveways/garages, you probably can't get rid of it any time soon.

This is probably correct. Car dependency is self-reinforcing and a vicious circle. It's a bit like a zombie apocalypse - the more people are infected the harder it becomes for the remainder to avoid joining the undead.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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The landlord does not add a fee for bathrooms baked into the rent, which is what fskimospy said. That argument is fundamentally flawed. I have explained why.

AS for spelling, one of the greatest minds ever, Albert Einstein was a bad speller.. think about that before you go and correct someone (it doesn't fucking matter).
You’re splitting hairs over the usage of the word fee. Rereading these posts @fskimospy ’s explanations show him describing what I have above. While fee is probably a poor choice of words his further elaboration is better described as a payment (rent) to a landlord that includes the cost of the bathroom. A payment is also a synonym for fee.

You’ve latched on to a specific incorrect interpretation from his first post and instead of understanding that his further posts are trying to clarify his point because your interpretation wasn’t the one he was making you accused him of spinning the narrative.

Furthermore, if you still don’t understand the point, in most cases every mandated requirement increases the cost of the domicile to be built with the cost being passed along in the price or rent.

This shouldn’t be a controversial statement.

The single bathroom requirement doesn’t apply to dormitories. For example I pay less for my daughter’s college dorm with communal bathrooms than I would for one of the few with a private bathroom. Just like I paid in part more for my current house with 3.5 baths vs my first house with 2 baths.


I find your pickiness for using the right words especially hilarious for someone who is actively hostile to spelling words correctly.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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I can say in NJ/NYC people use mass transit a shit ton. From NJ Transit commuter trains out into the burbs,, to more urban modes like the PATH and the light rail, and buses which serve both. The issue is, the service they provide is not enough. Sometimes it's just enough at rush hour, but outside those hours quality of service drops drastically. People that would use mass transit more on weekends and nights simply can't, because there is barely service, or it's quite lackluster.

Even here with the best mass transit in the country, it's still treated primarily as a get to and get from work service. The subway in the city is better than the other mass transit in the area for time away from work excursions such as weekends and late nights. But things like the commuter trains out to the burbs, light rail and PATH service in urban areas, it's a joke during those times.

The MTA, PA, and NJT all suffer from terminal commuter brain. They mostly can't imagine running their services in any other way than to accommodate peak morning and evening weekday service. Most transit agencies across the country have the same problem. All their capital and operational decisions are still geared to this thinking.

They're all looking at each other not knowing how to get ridership back when the best recovery has been nights and weekends where they refuse to add service.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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You’re splitting hairs over the usage of the word fee. Rereading these posts @fskimospy ’s explanations show him describing what I have above. While fee is probably a poor choice of words his further elaboration is better described as a payment (rent) to a landlord that includes the cost of the bathroom. A payment is also a synonym for fee.

You’ve latched on to a specific incorrect interpretation from his first post and instead of understanding that his further posts are trying to clarify his point because your interpretation wasn’t the one he was making you accused him of spinning the narrative.

Furthermore, if you still don’t understand the point, in most cases every mandated requirement increases the cost of the domicile to be built with the cost being passed along in the price or rent.

This shouldn’t be a controversial statement.

The single bathroom requirement doesn’t apply to dormitories. For example I pay less for my daughter’s college dorm with communal bathrooms than I would for one of the few with a private bathroom. Just like I paid in part more for my current house with 3.5 baths vs my first house with 2 baths.


I find your pickiness for using the right words especially hilarious for someone who is actively hostile to spelling words correctly.

Great post but then you have to go mention dorm rooms. I mean just completely irrelevant here.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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You’re splitting hairs over the usage of the word fee. Rereading these posts @fskimospy ’s explanations show him describing what I have above. While fee is probably a poor choice of words his further elaboration is better described as a payment (rent) to a landlord that includes the cost of the bathroom. A payment is also a synonym for fee.

You’ve latched on to a specific incorrect interpretation from his first post and instead of understanding that his further posts are trying to clarify his point because your interpretation wasn’t the one he was making you accused him of spinning the narrative.

Furthermore, if you still don’t understand the point, in most cases every mandated requirement increases the cost of the domicile to be built with the cost being passed along in the price or rent.

This shouldn’t be a controversial statement.

The single bathroom requirement doesn’t apply to dormitories. For example I pay less for my daughter’s college dorm with communal bathrooms than I would for one of the few with a private bathroom. Just like I paid in part more for my current house with 3.5 baths vs my first house with 2 baths.


I find your pickiness for using the right words especially hilarious for someone who is actively hostile to spelling words correctly.
Yes, I don’t know why there was so much argument about something that I would assume is common sense. More stuff means more cost.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Great post but then you have to go mention dorm rooms. I mean just completely irrelevant here.

Well maybe not given the emergence of co-living situations where there are shared bathrooms. Some SRO designs also include communal facilities. Both of these are cheaper than giving everybody an ensuite and that's reflected in asking rent.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Bottom Line: The only thing FOX is keenly focused on is torpedoing the Democrat's chances at taking the Trifecta and really get things going in DC. And then there's the GOP gullibles that are desperate for any lie, any dog whistle, any laughable screwball rumor and hoax conspiracy out of FOX that would, in orgasmic ecstasy scare them all shitless into blindly voting for Republican fearmongering racist rabble rousers like Trump, Gaetz, MTG, etc.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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The MTA, PA, and NJT all suffer from terminal commuter brain. They mostly can't imagine running their services in any other way than to accommodate peak morning and evening weekday service. Most transit agencies across the country have the same problem. All their capital and operational decisions are still geared to this thinking.

They're all looking at each other not knowing how to get ridership back when the best recovery has been nights and weekends where they refuse to add service.

Of course but whatever you want to frame it as it's already existing mass transit that they are not investing in to serve the population.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Well maybe not given the emergence of co-living situations where there are shared bathrooms. Some SRO designs also include communal facilities. Both of these are cheaper than giving everybody an ensuite and that's reflected in asking rent

It's completely irrelevant. The housing crisis is about standard living units which include a bathroom. It's just muddying the waters for what we really need.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Great post but then you have to go mention dorm rooms. I mean just completely irrelevant here.
More like slightly tangential. It’s still a place to live with similar costs and requirements to an apartment.

Because I’m still not sure @NWRMidnight agrees I was trying to drive home that 1 bathroom does have a cost associated with it. Unlike most apartments dorms can have less than one bathroom per room and those that do cost less than a residence with 1 bathroom. Which highlights the point.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I do also agree they have to go hand in hand. I'm just saying you can't just drastically cut street parking before starting on other transit initiatives.

I can say in NJ/NYC people use mass transit a shit ton. From NJ Transit commuter trains out into the burbs,, to more urban modes like the PATH and the light rail, and buses which serve both. The issue is, the service they provide is not enough. Sometimes it's just enough at rush hour, but outside those hours quality of service drops drastically. People that would use mass transit more on weekends and nights simply can't, because there is barely service, or it's quite lackluster.

Even here with the best mass transit in the country, it's still treated primarily as a get to and get from work service. The subway in the city is better than the other mass transit in the area for time away from work excursions such as weekends and late nights. But things like the commuter trains out to the burbs, light rail and PATH service in urban areas, it's a joke during those times.

Meanwhile in NYC, cycling keeps growing and growing

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Nice thing about the Citi bikes is you don't have to worry about your bike getting stripped. How do they handle helmets?
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Nice thing about the Citi bikes is you don't have to worry about your bike getting stripped. How do they handle helmets?

Rarely see anybody on a citibike with a helmet. See probably 50% of cyclists on their own bikes wear helmets.

This is where a helmet law would destroy bike share. There is just no convenient way to do it.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Rarely see anybody on a citibike with a helmet. See probably 50% of cyclists on their own bikes wear helmets.

This is where a helmet law would destroy bike share. There is just no convenient way to do it.
Seattle had a system for it a decade ago, but I think that system shut down. Lack of helmet is biggest reason I never do bike or scooter shares. Generally I'm walking when I would use them, so it's not really a loss for me.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Seattle had a system for it a decade ago, but I think that system shut down. Lack of helmet is biggest reason I never do bike or scooter shares. Generally I'm walking when I would use them, so it's not really a loss for me.

Makes sense. I do wear a helmet now on my bike every time I ride in the city, but didn't always.

it's pretty amazing, the millions of bike share rides plus people on their own bikes, and how it all works pretty well considering the sheer number of riders/rides per day. But, still, the cars can be crazy and bike infrastructure, while constantly improving, does have plenty of little gaps especially in less well-off areas. Ultimately, the number of casualties should be near zero every year.

Lately what's crazy is the ebike delivery guys flying around like maniacs especially on narrow bike lanes like over the bridges. I have heard of some cops starting to ticket speeders at these places after a pretty bad accident about a month ago.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
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Makes sense. I do wear a helmet now on my bike every time I ride in the city, but didn't always.

it's pretty amazing, the millions of bike share rides plus people on their own bikes, and how it all works pretty well considering the sheer number of riders/rides per day. But, still, the cars can be crazy and bike infrastructure, while constantly improving, does have plenty of little gaps especially in less well-off areas. Ultimately, the number of casualties should be near zero every year.

Lately what's crazy is the ebike delivery guys flying around like maniacs especially on narrow bike lanes like over the bridges. I have heard of some cops starting to ticket speeders at these places after a pretty bad accident about a month ago.
I used to never wear a helmet, mostly because I never had a nice one and thought they all sucked. Right after I started wearing one I had a bad accident going down a steep hill and my handle bars went loose.

A few years later I was riding down the ski mountain in Breckenridge, did a jump at like 25 mph and lost control. First thing that hit was my head against a rock. Cracked the helmet, but I had zero pain. From then one I will not ride without a helmet.
 
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manly

Lifer
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More like slightly tangential. It’s still a place to live with similar costs and requirements to an apartment.

Because I’m still not sure @NWRMidnight agrees I was trying to drive home that 1 bathroom does have a cost associated with it. Unlike most apartments dorms can have less than one bathroom per room and those that do cost less than a residence with 1 bathroom. Which highlights the point.
Based on all of his posts ITT, absolutely not. Dunning-Kruger FTMFW.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I used to never wear a helmet, mostly because I never had a nice one and thought they all sucked. Right after I started wearing one I had a bad accident going down a steep hill and my handle bars went loose.

A few years later I was riding down the ski mountain in Breckenridge, did a jump at like 25 mph and lost control. First thing that hit was my head against a rock. Cracked the helmet, but I had zero pain. From then one I will not ride without a helmet.

Always gotta wear a helmet mountain biking or downhilling. Glad to hear the fucking thing worked!

Finding the right helmet for my larger than average head has really helped. I have two I rotate now depending on the weather. But always wear them in NYC, not always around my neighborhood still.
 

HomerJS

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Head of Biden’s economic council on Fox supporting my thread with a lot more info and presentation skills. Watch Fox mislead, lie and spin into doom and gloom on the economy and other topics. Wonder why their people are so brainwashed?
 
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pmv

Lifer
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Rarely see anybody on a citibike with a helmet. See probably 50% of cyclists on their own bikes wear helmets.

This is where a helmet law would destroy bike share. There is just no convenient way to do it.

Compulsory helmet laws are generally _intended_ to destroy bike use. That's the whole point of them. There's no other logical purpose for them.
 
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pmv

Lifer
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Always gotta wear a helmet mountain biking or downhilling. Glad to hear the fucking thing worked!

I think that's very likely true, but also besides the point for utility cycling (i.e. cycling to work or the shops on the road).
 

GodisanAtheist

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One thing worse than the $16 McDonald's combo or the $28 Taco Bell lunch is conservative columnist David Brooks claiming his mediocre burger and fries at an airport restaurant cost a whopping $78. (The devil is in the details, or the devil is the lying sack of shit I guess.)


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