Reddit's tech section in chaos over censorship

mmntech

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And it made the BBC.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27100773

Social news site Reddit has downgraded the status of its "technology" section after a censorship row.

The category is no longer a "default subreddit", meaning it stops being one of two dozen communities promoted to new account holders.

It follows a report by the Daily Dot that revealed headlines posted to the area had been secretly deleted if they featured certain words.

The subreddit's own moderators now acknowledge that this was a "disaster".

Reddit describes itself as "the front page of the internet".
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"The moderation team lost focus of what they were there to do: moderate effectively”
Victoria Taylor Reddit spokeswoman

It had about 115 million unique visitors last month, according to its own data, and more than 6,500 active subreddit communities, all moderated by independent volunteers.

Members can submit links to articles to each community, for which they provide their own headlines.

Other members then up-vote or down-vote the links, which determines how prominently they feature both in each individual section and on a core list of the most popular posts. Users can also submit comments, leading to lively discussions.

The site is majority-owned by media group Conde Nast's parent Advanced Publications, and has proven particularly popular with 18-30 year-old males.

This audience-profile closely matches that of many of the major tech blogs and, as such, articles that have attracted interest on the technology subreddit have helped drive traffic to these third-party sites.

However, the section will now be much less visible to people who have either not edited their "subscriptions" to include it or have visited Reddit without logging in.

After a similar action was taken against Reddit's "politics" community last year it experienced a steep decline in activity.

Reddit said that it had acted because the technology community's moderators had become distracted by "petty squabbles".

"We decided to remove /r/technology from the default list because the moderation team lost focus of what they were there to do: moderate effectively," the site's director of communications Victoria Taylor told the BBC.

"We're giving them time to see if we feel they can work together to resolve the issue.

"We might consider adding them back in the future if they can show us and the community that they can overcome these issues."
Banned words

The issue was brought to light by a Reddit user nicknamed Creq who posted a message to the site a week ago suggesting that 20 terms had been banned.

He said the list of censored words included: "National Security Agency", "GCHQ", "Anonymous", "anti-piracy", "Bitcoin", "Snowden" and "net neutrality".

It later became clear that other terms, including "EU Court", "startup" and "Assange" had also been blocked.
Reddit An apology has been posted to the top of the technology subreddit's page

When the Daily Dot questioned one of the section's volunteer moderators about this, he confirmed that software was being used to automatically delete posts that featured "politicised" words in order to avoid the links making it to the core list of most popular topics.

The Daily Dot subsequently reflected that: "Many would argue those terms have an essential value to readers interested in technology, but the ban was never put up for discussion among the subreddit's millions of subscribers."

The news caused controversy with those users, prompting a U-turn.

"As many of you are aware the moderators of this subreddit have failed you," the volunteers wrote in a message to Reddit visitors over the weekend.

"While the intent of this system was, to the extent of my knowledge, not malicious it ended up being a disaster. We messed up, and we are sorry.

"The mods directly responsible for this system are no longer a part of the team and the new team is committed to maintaining a transparent style of moderation."

One of the changes taken, they added, was to allow the general population to view a configuration page that listed banned materials.

While links to pornography and petitions remain blocked, it reveals that most of the censored headline words can now be used again.

However, the move has failed to placate several of the subreddit's visitors who are now calling for a further two of the section's surviving moderators to resign.

"Please note that it's not the censorship the [Reddit] admins worry about," added the moderator of a censorship-themed subreddit.

"They've never spoken out against it.

"The problem is that there's zero transparency, zero accountability. That's the real story here."
 

Newell Steamer

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The mods volunteered for this, they could not handle the volumn traffic, and they took an automated way out that went against what they should be doing,...

Also, reddit is a hotbed of mishandled shit.

The boston bombings being the best example of mouth breathing asshats, who singled out a totally innocent man for being responsible for the bombing.
 

techs

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It's not as easy to moderate internet forums as it looks.
I moderated for two weeks once on another forum and gave it up.
 

KeithTalent

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Weird, had no idea that place was even moderated. Looks like such a mess of crap, I thought everything just went through.

KT
 
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Newell Steamer

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Weird, had no idea that place was even moderated. Looks like such a mess of crap I thought everything went through.

KT

Unless it's a Gawker Media link.

They can clamp down Gawker Media links,... but, they can't control wrong accusations of a terrorist against an innocent man.
 

smackababy

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Weird, had no idea that place was even moderated. Looks like such a mess of crap, I thought everything just went through.

KT

The real problem with Reddit is how awful their set up is. It isn't a forum and the comments section, while full of retards, is unorganized. Reading an AMA is painful.
 

Hugo Drax

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Why do geeks work for free? Moderating a forum etc.. seems like working for free. The site owner makes all the profits, you get all the work.

I never understood why people do this for free.
 

smackababy

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Why do geeks work for free? Moderating a forum etc.. seems like working for free. The site owner makes all the profits, you get all the work.

I never understood why people do this for free.

Because, some people like to help make what would otherwise be a terrible place a bit better. They sacrifice their own time for the good of everyone. Politicians should take note of forum moderators.
 

Midwayman

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They apparently Ban tesla stories as well. Then ban you if you make it known you know about the bans.
 

sourceninja

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We have a local subreddit that is unusable by myself and my friends simply because the moderators have personal problems (real life argument) with us and have banned us. The fact that there is no real way to combat this (besides starting my own subreddit for the 3 of us) is enough for me to just dismiss reddit as anything worthwhile.
 

MotionMan

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Because, some people like to help make what would otherwise be a terrible place a bit better. They sacrifice their own time for the good of everyone.

This is true. However, many also enjoy the power.

I moderated for a tech forum for a few years. Even the most timid members-come-moderators sometimes unexpectedly became power-trippers.

MotionMan
 

Virge_

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Slightly more disturbing are the following:


  • Being shadow-banned (not knowing you're banned, you can still post/etc but nobody can see it.. so you never know you're banned)
  • The fact that moderators are never held accountable. Historically anytime there was moderator drama, the mod simply stopped posting and changed his handle.
  • The comments section is ridiculously difficult to read. The layout hasn't changed since Reddit was created and it's damn near impossible to differentiate new comments from replies, making the entire thing a huge mess of text-vomit.
  • The "search" function should just be removed altogether. It is, quite simply, the single worst search I've ever used. A post can be on the second page that says "Man dies in fire", and you can search for "man dies in fire" and assign it based on date (most recent) and the "Man dies in fire" post will not even register on the first 100 pages of results. You actually have to go to google and search for "reddit man dies in fire" just to find the actual Reddit article you're looking for.. I mean, fucking seriously?
  • Rapidly approach post-purchase Digg levels of advertising promotions, while using auto-moderator bots to "moderate" entire threads for containing words that might compete with their paid advertising, such as "Tesla", "Bitcoin", etc.
 
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Merad

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The mods volunteered for this, they could not handle the volumn traffic, and they took an automated way out that went against what they should be doing,...

I don't have a problem with banning certain topics to other subreddits. A lot of the topics they banned would always become circle jerks. The problem is that they did it silently without any discussion or even informing the community....
 

Brian Stirling

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I'd like to see the entire list of banned words as the list given is pretty suspicious to me. Why would a tech blog/site ban the use of words that are highly relevant to the tech world. I don't know for sure but it looks to me like there was some form of arm twisting to have certain topics quelled and I don't know if that was actual arm twisting or if there was a cash carrot as well.

So, what is the complete list of banned words and is there a timeline on when the words became banned? The timeline might actually be more informative...


Brian
 
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