Redneck solution to oil spill clean up....might actually have some merit

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DrPizza

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It's not feasible. I'll try to find the link I saw but someone did the math and it would require millions of tons of hay to do this.


I disagree. The whole cutting hair to help soak up oil - that was unfeasible, borderline retarded. However, a bazillion tons of hay is probably more accessible than you'd think. Heck, just for my goats & llamas, I put up just shy of 100,000 pounds of hay each year. I know some small farms that do 800,000 pounds of hay. Some of the larger commercial dairy farms - I can't imagine how many millions of pounds.
 

WelshBloke

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Haven't you then got to clean up a bazillion tons of oily hay spread over a vast area then?

Maybe it would work in small enclosed areas but I cant see this working on the scale of this spill.
 

DrPizza

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It'd be a lot easier skimming off oily hay than skimming off oil. Then again, thinking about it more, I don't think the hay would hold the oil for long - it'd saturate with sea water & lose a lot of the oil.
 

HamburgerBoy

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The US produces over 150 MILLION TONS a year in hay, enough that it's an export product. I think we would be able to do this. However, it would also probably impact the price of meats and dairy products as it would effect farming if we pulled a bunch off.

Doing some quick (and possibly terribly performed; it's 7:37 AM and I've yet to sleep) math...

(25000 barrels oil / 1 day) * (672 cups oil / 1 barrel oil) * (.25 lbs hay / 1 cup oil) * (1 ton hay / 2000 lbs hay) * (60 days) = 126000 tons hay

That seems way too low, actually, so I'm 99% sure that I'm making some ridiculous error, but :hmm:. The 60 days is obviously just an ass-pulled-out-of guess, of course.
 

cKGunslinger

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I disagree. The whole cutting hair to help soak up oil - that was unfeasible, borderline retarded. However, a bazillion tons of hay is probably more accessible than you'd think. Heck, just for my goats & llamas, I put up just shy of 100,000 pounds of hay each year. I know some small farms that do 800,000 pounds of hay. Some of the larger commercial dairy farms - I can't imagine how many millions of pounds.

But aren't we then taking useful hay and reapplying it elsewhere? How does that affect our current farming operations? Is hay vital?


Also, what about the gas? I thought the leak was oil AND gas? Is the gas a problem? Will hay absorb it?

That said, I'm not suggesting that we ignore this idea completely, just that we don't do the whole "Look at these two guys solving our problems when all those scientists couldn't!" This may very well be on par with the genius idea that everyone has of "shooting all our garbage into the sun!" :awe:
 

DrPizza

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But aren't we then taking useful hay and reapplying it elsewhere? How does that affect our current farming operations? Is hay vital?


Also, what about the gas? I thought the leak was oil AND gas? Is the gas a problem? Will hay absorb it?

That said, I'm not suggesting that we ignore this idea completely, just that we don't do the whole "Look at these two guys solving our problems when all those scientists couldn't!" This may very well be on par with the genius idea that everyone has of "shooting all our garbage into the sun!" :awe:

Under the assumption that there is "gas," it doesn't mean gasoline. It means natural gas, i.e. vented to the atmosphere, not floating on the surface of the water. Gasoline doesn't come from holes in the ground; unless, of course, the hole leads to an underground storage tank. Oil needs to be refined to produce gasoline.
 

cKGunslinger

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Under the assumption that there is "gas," it doesn't mean gasoline. It means natural gas, i.e. vented to the atmosphere, not floating on the surface of the water. Gasoline doesn't come from holes in the ground; unless, of course, the hole leads to an underground storage tank. Oil needs to be refined to produce gasoline.

LOL - I knew is wasn't gasoline, but I guess I didn't count on the methane or natural gas to just dissipate in the atmosphere. I guess I thought it was mixed with something and in some liquid form.
 

dmcowen674

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Obama is probably much too arrogant to pay attention.

A couple of good ol' boys show how simple the oil spill cleanup could have been had the Obama Administration not been so utterly incompetent.

For that reason alone they can eat cake.

Do they honestly believe Bush and Republicans response would be any different? Pound sand boys, pound sand.
 

PaperclipGod

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This is an awesome idea. Even if it can't deal with the entire oil spill, it'd be great for several reasons: Generate income for farmers, mitigate the oil spill, and even allow the leaked oil to be used to generate power -- the oil soaked hay can be compressed into pellets or any number of other forms of biomass energy.

Think of the marketing value, too -- buy these pellets to heat your home this winter and you'll be helping to clean up the gulf oil spill!

Seriously, this is awesome. These guys should go for it... they could probably turn a profit even without a government contract.
 

jteef

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what are they doing to counteract all that natural gas escaping into the atmosphere fueling AGW? How much is BP going to pay when everybody's face melts off?
 

brblx

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Whether this is a good idea or not is irrelevant. I've been watching Obama closely since he started running. More closely than any other president. Mostly because I'm 30 and starting to really concern myself with politics, also partly because he's the first black president.

I have concluded he is the finest of the ultra-libs. He will not take any idea he or his ultra lib pals didnt come up with personally. He'd rather look cool than actually deal with shit properly. If one thing has been certain in every presidential era since at least Kennedy, image is MUCH more important that competence. Years later people will remember the scandals and your personality much stronger than any of your issues or accomplishments.
Obama knows this. He is not planning for the next 6 years. He's planning for the rest of his life. He wants to be loved and honored for eternity.

lol. did you miss that whole year long ordeal where obama asked repubs for suggestions on healthcare while they did nothing but stick their tongues out like children?
 

polarmystery

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I didn't know former president Bush and current president Obama knew how to build their own oil pipeline?!?!

/sarcasm
 

Sluggo

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For that reason alone they can eat cake.

Do they honestly believe Bush and Republicans response would be any different? Pound sand boys, pound sand.



Bush and the Republicans would just conjure up another hurricane Katrina to wash it all away.

Or maybe since Bush and all his cronies control the oil, they could just wish it all into barrels for us to buy.
 

Six

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Nothing new. Ignorant to call the president too arrogant to listen. Soaking up oil with hay has been done before on oil spills in the 50s and 60s. Today, there are much better methods.
 

3chordcharlie

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Nothing new. Ignorant to call the president too arrogant to listen. Soaking up oil with hay has been done before on oil spills in the 50s and 60s. Today, there are much better methods.

And they're working brilliantly so far
 

3chordcharlie

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Chemical dispersants (that breaks down oil to biodegradable form) is obviously a whole lot better than spreading hay.

To be fair, you could probably spread hay all over the spill, then pick it up one piece at a time, hand-wring out the oil, drive all the waste to Central Park in NYC (in short-box crew cab pickups), and still be making cheaper, cleaner gas than they do in the Alberta oil sands.
 

Six

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I'm no expert, but the way I see it.... Why do you even need hay? All hay will mainly do is absorb the surface oil. That surface oil can be skim off with skimming equipment.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Chemical dispersants (that breaks down oil to biodegradable form) is obviously a whole lot better than spreading hay.

There is no such thing.

Who's the redneck in here?

"Hey Jeb, spray some of the oil dissolver on that slick before it gets any bigger."

I'm sure the cost of whatever chemical solution there MIGHT BE to this problem would cost thousands of times more and be less effective if it were even possible to produce such a quantity of the stuff.

This hay solution is awesome because it's an oil magnet and doesn't sink. Those hillbillies are geniuses.

Some of the reason you want to get the removed from the water is that the water starts to break it down and disperse nasty chemicals into the water. The hay appears to trap the oil perfectly.
 

Six

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There is no such thing.

Who's the redneck in here?

"Hey Jeb, spray some of the oil dissolver on that slick before it gets any bigger."

I'm sure the cost of whatever chemical solution there MIGHT BE to this problem would cost thousands of times more and be less effective if it were even possible to produce such a quantity of the stuff.

This hay solution is awesome because it's an oil magnet and doesn't sink. Those hillbillies are geniuses.

Some of the reason you want to get the removed from the water is that the water starts to break it down and disperse nasty chemicals into the water. The hay appears to trap the oil perfectly.

I guess we can agree that the best solution depends what the situation is. We both don't know what the situation really is. ie. cost vs quanitity vs logistics, etc. But obviously dem 6-figures engineers disagree wit you.
 

keird

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Dump a couple of shipping containers of NASCAR hats into the oil. When they wash ashore they'll be ready for the rednecks.
 

waggy

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I disagree. The whole cutting hair to help soak up oil - that was unfeasible, borderline retarded. However, a bazillion tons of hay is probably more accessible than you'd think. Heck, just for my goats & llamas, I put up just shy of 100,000 pounds of hay each year. I know some small farms that do 800,000 pounds of hay. Some of the larger commercial dairy farms - I can't imagine how many millions of pounds.

not to mention i know many farmers who let the last and first cut of the season go. meaning they aren't the best use of the 4 cuts they get. that crap grows FAST and does not take up a lot of space.

a friend of mine does 2.5 acres. they get 3-4 cuts a year. they have a bargin with a guy who has the equipment to cut it and bale it. The guy takes the first one and sales it. the 2nd cut my friends get. its enough to fill up a huge barn and even then they give away a bunch. the 3rd and 4th the famer takes for his cattle.
 
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