MoFunk, there was a HUGE thread on these boards a few week back. Apparently the Epox 8kha+ board had a few thousand that had a bad bios chip when they were first released. The retailers sent em back to Epox, had the BIOS chips replaced, and are now selling the motherboards as refurbished to still make a buck off these puppies. I ordered one before they went outta stock a few weeks back, came in retail box, screw marks on the motherboard, but besides that, everything was mint (also, the USB add-on bracket was used). Cables, manual, and CD all included.