Regan vs. Obama

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Harvey

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Incredible. Reagan predicted the encroachment of socialism, how it gains roots and what it looks like and what the country needs to do to reject it.

That lying old fart sold out the nation in the Iran-Contra scandal. He was almost as much a traitor as the Bushwhackos with better stage presence. There's no reason to give a flying fsck at a rolling doughnut about anything he said.
 

werepossum

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Heh, Reagan is even better at drawing out the foaming moonbats than is Palin!

The funniest thing is that zombie Reagan would trounce the incumbent Obama in 2012.
 

Harvey

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Heh, Reagan is even better at drawing out the foaming moonbats than is Palin!

You think so, huh? Do you even know what happened in the Iran-Contra scandal? If so, show us. If not, you're not qualified to take on anyone else about it.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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What modern conservatives love about Ronnie is that he told 'em he loved them before he put the bone to 'em, and the rest of us, too...

Decried the $1T national debt he inherited, then turned it into $5T.

Talked a lot about smaller govt, expanded the military to new heights.

Cut taxes at the top, raised taxes at the bottom in the form of SS contributions.

Claimed he was for the forgotten man as he broke the balls off of labor, aka air traffic controllers.

Conveniently couldn't remember a thing about the Iran/Contra affair, where he financed terrorists with funds gained illegally and surrepititiously from trading with Iran, whom he decried vociferously...

The list goes on from there...

Yeh, Ronnie, the Conservatives' dream president... even more of a fantasy today than he was at the time...
 

spidey07

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What modern conservatives love about Ronnie is that he told 'em he loved them before he put the bone to 'em, and the rest of us, too...

Decried the $1T national debt he inherited, then turned it into $5T.

Talked a lot about smaller govt, expanded the military to new heights.

Cut taxes at the top, raised taxes at the bottom in the form of SS contributions.

Claimed he was for the forgotten man as he broke the balls off of labor, aka air traffic controllers.

Conveniently couldn't remember a thing about the Iran/Contra affair, where he financed terrorists with funds gained illegally and surrepititiously from trading with Iran, whom he decried vociferously...

The list goes on from there...

Yeh, Ronnie, the Conservatives' dream president... even more of a fantasy today than he was at the time...

What's even more funny is you're describing Bush according to the libtard playbook.

Bush is gone. Obama is the enemy now.
 

Jhhnn

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What's even more funny is you're describing Bush according to the libtard playbook.

Bush is gone. Obama is the enemy now.

Aww... reduced to name calling at such an early stage?

Did I offer anything that isn't true wrt Ronnie, the myth, the legend, the patron saint of Conservatives?

I'll agree that the Bush Admin was the high water mark of the tide of rightwing filth that's been sweeping over us since Ronnie opened the floodgates... too bad Righties want it to come back- they must miss the stench...
 

Harvey

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Bush is gone.

That's the good news. It'll be better when he, Cheney and their entier administration are tried for their crimes, including treason, murder, torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Obama is the enemy now.

Speak for your right wingnut self. Sane people know better.
 

Zebo

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What modern conservatives love about Ronnie is that he told 'em he loved them before he put the bone to 'em, and the rest of us, too...

Decried the $1T national debt he inherited, then turned it into $5T.

Talked a lot about smaller govt, expanded the military to new heights.

Cut taxes at the top, raised taxes at the bottom in the form of SS contributions.

Claimed he was for the forgotten man as he broke the balls off of labor, aka air traffic controllers.

Conveniently couldn't remember a thing about the Iran/Contra affair, where he financed terrorists with funds gained illegally and surrepititiously from trading with Iran, whom he decried vociferously...

The list goes on from there...

Yeh, Ronnie, the Conservatives' dream president... even more of a fantasy today than he was at the time...

You get it. Labor has said there were 300 strikes per year before Reagan did that - he knocked it down to 30 with that action - changed the whole psychology of labor in america. Fools. Guess they like being slaves and CEO's taking all the profits of their labor.
 

Zebo

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They both suck.

Nah I don't think Reagan would have given Bankers 150 Billion in bonuses or 1% of GDP as they committed fraud and bankrupted their banks. Nor backstopped them for 14 trillion. Obama is far worse than Reagan but he's no socialist.
 

Atreus21

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What is it with the left labeling every republican president a treasonous war criminal?
 

NeoV

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spidey is questioning someone's links?

how many links to crap sites should we have to put up with?

PS - you may want to learn how to spell REAGAN's name btw

you were a pre-teen when he was president, you only know about him from what you read, not anything you remember
 

nageov3t

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You don't recall his main campaign promise of getting universal health care?
if he actually stuck with it, you might have a point... but when push came to shove, he threw the public option under the bus like a racist grandma.

it's kinda been my problem with Obama for awhile... I agree with a lot of his domestic initiatives in theory, but I've yet to see what he's truly willing to fight for.

if Bush wanted public health care and had 60 republicans in the senate, you can believe we'd have public health care.
 

spidey07

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spidey is questioning someone's links?

how many links to crap sites should we have to put up with?

PS - you may want to learn how to spell REAGAN's name btw

you were a pre-teen when he was president, you only know about him from what you read, not anything you remember

Heh, good catch.

I remember the good times under reagan, I remember the good times when clinton was neutered, I remember the great times under Bush.

I will not forget the times under Obama and We The People are going to stop him.
 
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Heh, good catch.

I remember the good times under reagan, I remember the good times when clinton was neutered, I remember the great times under Bush.

I will not forget the times under Obama and We The People are going to stop him.

There you go again with your "We the People" bullshit.
 

BigDH01

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Heh, good catch.

I remember the good times under reagan, I remember the good times when clinton was neutered, I remember the great times under Bush.

I will not forget the times under Obama and We The People are going to stop him.

I'm curious as to how you reconcile your beliefs. Did you read Mises's conservative critique of Reagan? I can give you some specific quotes...


Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government.

The budget for the Department of Education, which candidate Reagan promised to abolish along with the Department of Energy, has more than doubled to $22.7 billion, Social Security spending has risen from $179 billion in 1981 to $269 billion in 1986. The price of farm programs went from $21.4 billion in 1981 to $51.4 billion in 1987, a 140% increase. And this doesn't count the recently signed $4 billion "drought-relief" measure. Medicare spending in 1981 was $43.5 billion; in 1987 it hit $80 billion. Federal entitlements cost $197.1 billion in 1981—and $477 billion in 1987.

His budget cuts were actually cuts in projected spending, not absolute cuts in current spending levels. As Reagan put it, "We're not attempting to cut either spending or taxing levels below that which we presently have."

The result has been unprecedented government debt. Reagan has tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight.

If we look at government revenues as a percentage of "national income," we find little change from the Carter days, despite heralded "tax cuts." In 1980, revenues were 25.1% of "national income." In the first quarter of 1988 they were 24.7%.

According to the Treasury Department, the 1981 tax cut will have reduced revenues by $1.48 trillion by the end of fiscal 1989. But tax increases since 1982 will equal $1.5 trillion by 1989. The increases include not only the formal legislation mentioned above but also bracket creep (which ended in 1985 when tax indexing took effect—a provision of the 1981 act despite Reagan's objection), $30 billion in various tax changes, and other increases. Taxes by the end of the Reagan era will be as large a chunk of GNP as when he took office, if not larger: 19.4%, by ultra-conservative estimate of the Reagan Office of Management and Budget. The so-called historic average is 18.3%.


I'm just curious as to how when Reagan increases taxes (or at least kept them about even) and spending you think he saved the economy, but when Obama does it the world has gone to hell.

And this critique is from a classical liberal think tank written in the late 80s.
 

Pens1566

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I think we can officially cancel the "2010 P&N Most Delusional Poster" contest and award the winnar(wink) early ...
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Incredible. Reagan predicted the encroachment of socialism, how it gains roots and what it looks like and what the country needs to do to reject it.

And we wind up with Obama. Awesome video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lSbp31Cow

Wow, you are such a tool. You don't hav a clue what he really did, do you? Here is your Reagan in reality:

Link

Text from the convention he signed:

No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture. . . Each State Party shall ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law.


So your hero specifically made it illegal for the US to torture. Gee, is he still your hero now? He contradicts your cherished belief that you have the god given right to torture anyone you want, guilty or not.
 
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You're a damn investment banker and I'd guess you're just a few years younger than I (38). You don't remember what happened in the mid 80s and how regan saved the economy?

Similar situation that obama is in and he's killing it every day?
Reagan saved the economy? Bullshit. The economy was saved by Volcker. Reagan wanted to lower rates and battled with Volcker a lot over it. When he finally did get his way it paved the way for the S&L crisis.

Fortunately I have the benefit of an objective mind looking at history.

Killing it? ROFL.

/agree, Volker killed inflation and the economy improved because interest rates were dropping from 15% to 7%.
 
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