Reinstitute the Draft now...

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

If you fight as well as you caught Osama then we're not worried.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

That statement tells all anyone needs to know about you as an American.

In a civil war there are no "winners".

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

That statement tells all anyone needs to know about you as an American.

In a civil war there are no "winners".

it was a joke fool... but i AM laughing at your wonderful attempt to sound profound.

 

[eits]

palehorse, you sure you don't want to start checking snopes before you post?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

That statement tells all anyone needs to know about you as an American.

In a civil war there are no "winners".

it was a joke fool... but i AM laughing at your wonderful attempt to sound profound.

Uh huh, it's always a joke when you've been exposed.

And coming from the likes of you, being called a "fool" is a compliment.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

Neither are we...we just are intelligent and moral enough to only fight when neccessary. I served my time in the military, during a foreign war, so that's NOT my issue. I also have a lifetime of martial arts, security and other related work to support me in that.

The problem isn't IF, it's WHEN and WHY. That's where neocons fail miserably.

 

[eits]

still too funny...

 

[LostTime77]

I hereby support this man in his effort to try and make people see that he would like to reeinact the draft. I dont think the draft is a good thing because it just shows how desperate America / Bush particularly is desperate for troops for the war effort. However, this guy "Palehorse's" reasons are sound. I would also like to see people get up and do something for their country and actually like people to see the realism and the possible good we are doing there. The media is a piece of jack half the time, it never tells the true story, IMO. I support this guy, and please LET THE FLAMING BEGIN ON MEEE!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

I realize this is kind of a joke, but this isn't about being "afraid" to fight. Only idiots aren't afraid in any case, but that doesn't mean you won't do it. Are you sure you've served in the military...people who go around with that "No Fear" talk are usually kind of full of it.

 

[Gl4di4tor]

Is this guy kidding or what?!

 

[Eeezee]

but our training is the best in the world

That right there proves that you don't have a clue, but you do have an abundance of pride. I'm happy for your patriotism, but you don't know anything.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Condor
Your heros would still be trying to get the other cells into court while they were blowing up you and your neighbors.

Watched a good show on the History channel (Canadian version) last night on how Sharon came to power. Seems fear played a major role

Mostly does when power is involved. Power and fear is why you pay taxes. Say it ain't so.

It may be so in the America that Bush and the people who support his "vision" have created but that America is a cynical and morally bankrupt shadow of its former self. You're paying your taxes to have Bush scare you into relinquishing your rights and the ideals America once stood for.

Is this Bush's idea of "victory" in his "war on terror"???

Yeah, I didn't have to pay taxes under your Dim sweethearts!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

Not if it depends on a draft of liberals!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

If you fight as well as you caught Osama then we're not worried.

it took five years to find one redneck in North Carolina under Democratic leadership. Osama is a bit harder to find and is someplace besides our backyard so it may take a little longer.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

That statement tells all anyone needs to know about you as an American.

In a civil war there are no "winners".

Good then, if the north didn't win, can we have our states rights back?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

Neither are we...we just are intelligent and moral enough to only fight when neccessary. I served my time in the military, during a foreign war, so that's NOT my issue. I also have a lifetime of martial arts, security and other related work to support me in that.

The problem isn't IF, it's WHEN and WHY. That's where neocons fail miserably.

Intelligent and moral can't have anything to do with it. You just aren't far enough back in the corner yet. If you claim a CV, define it!

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Condor
Your heros would still be trying to get the other cells into court while they were blowing up you and your neighbors.

Watched a good show on the History channel (Canadian version) last night on how Sharon came to power. Seems fear played a major role

Mostly does when power is involved. Power and fear is why you pay taxes. Say it ain't so.

It may be so in the America that Bush and the people who support his "vision" have created but that America is a cynical and morally bankrupt shadow of its former self. You're paying your taxes to have Bush scare you into relinquishing your rights and the ideals America once stood for.

Is this Bush's idea of "victory" in his "war on terror"???

Yeah, I didn't have to pay taxes under your Dim sweethearts!

And I never said you didn't. I said that under Bush you're paying taxes to have him scare you into relinquishing your rights and America's ideals.

It's the ultimate in big government from the supposed small government "conservatives". Daddy Bush is going to guaranty your safety and all you have to do is relinquish your rights, your freedom, and the ideals your nation once stood for.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

That statement tells all anyone needs to know about you as an American.

In a civil war there are no "winners".

Good then, if the north didn't win, can we have our states rights back?

You'll have to ask Bush. He took state's rights away in 2000 when he had the Supreme Court tell Florida to stop counting their votes.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: LostTime77
I hereby support this man in his effort to try and make people see that he would like to reeinact the draft. I dont think the draft is a good thing because it just shows how desperate America / Bush particularly is desperate for troops for the war effort. However, this guy "Palehorse's" reasons are sound. I would also like to see people get up and do something for their country and actually like people to see the realism and the possible good we are doing there. The media is a piece of jack half the time, it never tells the true story, IMO. I support this guy, and please LET THE FLAMING BEGIN ON MEEE!

There are good reasons for every citizen to serve. it is the great equalizer. With our system as it is now, the wealthy never know what it is to be properly trained in the military Forget it, you libs already know it all! (Not you Losttime77)

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Condor
Your heros would still be trying to get the other cells into court while they were blowing up you and your neighbors.

Watched a good show on the History channel (Canadian version) last night on how Sharon came to power. Seems fear played a major role

Mostly does when power is involved. Power and fear is why you pay taxes. Say it ain't so.

It may be so in the America that Bush and the people who support his "vision" have created but that America is a cynical and morally bankrupt shadow of its former self. You're paying your taxes to have Bush scare you into relinquishing your rights and the ideals America once stood for.

Is this Bush's idea of "victory" in his "war on terror"???

Yeah, I didn't have to pay taxes under your Dim sweethearts!

And I never said you didn't. I said that under Bush you're paying taxes to have him scare you into relinquishing your rights and America's ideals.

It's the ultimate in big government from the supposed small government "conservatives". Daddy Bush is going to guaranty your safety and all you have to do is relinquish your rights, your freedom, and the ideals your nation once stood for.

I do believe the IRS was the same - fear and power under your libs too! I haven't heard anyone suggesting that all citizens should be made into helpless, disarmed victims under Bush. Feinstein did broach that subject in her questions today, the automatic weapon question! Your leaders never forget how to enslave. First you disarm. Funny that you think a little discipline for security is a breech of our freedoms when you freely accept, even embrace the complete, totalitarian efforts pushed forward by liberals for the last twenty or so years. Pretty picky, aren't you?.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: palehorse74
it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

It sickened me in the sixties. I refuse to be PC with these lowlife jerks!

That's ok, because many of us were sickened by those supporting the war, then and now. You have an opinion, worth exactly equal to everyone elses. That's just the way the world is broken down I'm afraid. The trick is to find ways for us to live together without having to resort to violence or abusive behaviors. Failure to do that will eventually lead to another civil war.

which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...

That statement tells all anyone needs to know about you as an American.

In a civil war there are no "winners".

Good then, if the north didn't win, can we have our states rights back?

You'll have to ask Bush. He took state's rights away in 2000 when he had the Supreme Court tell Florida to stop counting their votes.

You mean in 2000 when our lawyers outlawyered your lawyers, don't you? Hurts to lose when you chose the weapon, doesn't it?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Condor

I do believe the IRS was the same - fear and power under your libs too! I haven't heard anyone suggesting that all citizens should be made into helpless, disarmed victims under Bush. Feinstein did broach that subject in her questions today, the automatic weapon question! Your leaders never forget how to enslave. First you disarm. Funny that you think a little discipline for security is a breech of our freedoms when you freely accept, even embrace the complete, totalitarian efforts pushed forward by liberals for the last twenty or so years. Pretty picky, aren't you?.

You're talking about gun legislation and I'm talking about a president who has decided he's above the Constitution as well as any and all treaties the US has ever signed. He's telling you you have to give him complete authority so he can keep you safe and you're talking about some senator asking you to register weapons when you buy them.

You're really on a roll tonight but you aren't making much sense. Put the cork back in the bottle and go sleep it off.

 

[m316foley]

Wow, what a long thread to read through.... ok, here's my replies to palehorse74's nice comments:

seems mighty selfish of you to have the audacity to claim that you know all that is righteous and just.

So you would run away then?

that's good to know. heck, maybe we should establish the draft just to weed out those who would run to Canada. Then, just before sending those who stayed over to the ME, we would say "just kidding, you passed the test. you're not a coward. go home!" lol... meanwhile, all of the panzies who sprinted over the border will be prevented from re-entering, and we would be much better off.

(It might piss off the Candaians though...DOH!)

The experiment would raise the calibre of the average citizen. lol...

Wow, it really sounds like you have the rambo-like mentallity. Anyone who isn't for the war, is a coward, or anyone who doesn't like the war is a coward...

it's very disconcerting to see just how many cowards would run for Canada. This is why I'm glad that I missed the 60's... it sickens me.

Wow, now you're starting to get a little personal. Ever heard of people with moral values who believe it's wrong to kill? You seem to put yourself up on a little pedastal there saying that you're beliefs are correct and everyone else's is wrong. Sounds a little arrogant to me, but hey, I'm a crazy liberal right?

you have absolutely NO clue regarding the history of Afghanistan. I can assure you that I am better versed in their real history than you will ever be. Afghanistan was never "solidly in the Soviet sphere" as you so ignorantly put it. You may have been more accurate if you had said "Kabul was solidly in the Soviet sphere..." but you didnt... you are wrong.

I dont have "my" histroy of Afghanistan, I know THE history of Afghanistan and all of their conflicts going back several hundred years.

I promise you that you will lose if you challenge my knowledge of their history... and lose badly.

Haha, you're definitely losing some credibility here. Not arrogant or cocky at all, it's just the fact that you know everything and everyone else knows nothing.

The draft has its pros and cons, but I have been taught since birth to respect my Country. If I had been drafted instead of enlisting, I still would have fulfilled my obligations to the government that has given my family and myself so many opportunities. There are many who would serve regardless of their personal feelings on the war in Iraq. They would do so for the sake of the men and women fighting next to them, and they would do so out of loyalty and respect for their country.

"Unjust violence is, by no means, the ordinance of God, and therefore can bind no one in conscience and right, to obey, whether the command comes from pope, emperor, king or master."

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

When a government no longer works for the people, it is their DUTY to overthrow it.

I can see that this P&N board has very few of those with the moral fortitude to fulfill their obligations. That's just sad if you ask me... our country has certainly grown soft since the 1940's.

Wow, now you're definitely cocky. Moral fortitude. Well, WHO defines moral fortitude. According to the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill, would probably somewhere fall in those lines.

Quit living in the past and using old reasons to argue against the war.

Haha. You act so much superior to everyone else. Is that just because you've served and some people haven't? Wow, you think you're rambo and you can conquer the world don't ya? Or how about bashing liberals because we have a different belief than you? I'm not saying people didn't act immaturely, however, the whole idea of a debate, is to try to argue your point. My entire family has served at one point or another. I have no problem serving my country, however, if the reason we go to war is (IMO) ridiculous, then I will be a consciencious objector. Sorry...

You talk about serving your country, but how is going over to another country and taking out a "brutal dictator" having to do with serving our country. Don't get me wrong, I have extreme amounts of respect for the people over there; however, we have so many issues that could be dealt with on our own soil, or even bigger issues in other countries if you want to play world police.

I'm not being... well, a DlCK, but I am just curious as to your response to my post...

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

I do believe the IRS was the same - fear and power under your libs too! I haven't heard anyone suggesting that all citizens should be made into helpless, disarmed victims under Bush. Feinstein did broach that subject in her questions today, the automatic weapon question! Your leaders never forget how to enslave. First you disarm. Funny that you think a little discipline for security is a breech of our freedoms when you freely accept, even embrace the complete, totalitarian efforts pushed forward by liberals for the last twenty or so years. Pretty picky, aren't you?.

You're talking about gun legislation and I'm talking about a president who has decided he's above the Constitution as well as any and all treaties the US has ever signed. He's telling you you have to give him complete authority so he can keep you safe and you're talking about some senator asking you to register weapons when you buy them.

You're really on a roll tonight but you aren't making much sense. Put the cork back in the bottle and go sleep it off.

So, every liberal leader that gets elected wants to grab the very arms that are guaranteed by the constitution. Registration just means that when the county sheriff comes calling, he brings the SWAT team with male harmones bleeding from every pore.

What is your point?

Not making sense to you is a good indication that I am doing really well.