Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

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dyna

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No. The NYT broke that Papadapolus was the original FBI source for investigating all things Trump/Russia around May/June 2016. The memo even points that out on page 3. That the Papadopolus info was known well before anything to do with the dossier was ever known officially, or used in any kind of FISA proceeding. It severely debunks a longstanding GOP canard that the dossier was the original source for starting the investigation. The timelines alone are nowhere near close. It's bunk.

The memo states that an investigation started on false pretenses because of biased FBI agents. It seems like it was closed after they were exposed. I'm not sure that ties into the existing investigation. Unless they still activated the insurance policy that they described. Mueller was the insurance policy?
 
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peonyu

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Then explain why Comey protected Trump by not announcing that he was under investigation before the election.

Trump himself wasnt under official investigation until after the election, with Mueller. So Comey had no reason to even announce anything.

Their opponents being traitors to the USA, yes?

No, there were no traitors running for President. But the FBI agents who were using the FBI as a weapon against political opponents and damaging our justice system, IS treasonous.
 

kstu

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This might be a stupid question, but since we continue to hear about how the dossier is unverified/not corroborated, etc. has there been ANY part of the dossier that has been confirmed as false?
 

Pens1566

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The memo states that an investigation started on false pretenses because of biased FBI agents. It seems like it was closed after they were exposed. I'm not sure that ties into the existing investigation. Unless they still activated the insurance policy that they described. Mueller was the insurance policy?

Uh, are we reading the same memo? Papadopolus and his story aren't false pretenses. He also wasn't the result of biased FBI agents, unless the former AUS diplomat is and FBI double agent.

You should also check this out before you hitch your wagon to the texts :
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside...age-as-told-in-their-text-messages-1517589380
 

HomerJS

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Carter Paige was warned back in 2013 Russian spies are trying to co-opt you. He kept working with them.

Donald Trump hires CP a guy knowingly working with Russian spies to be his foreign policy advisor.

Any of you Trump bots take issue with this??
 

rommelrommel

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Logic is a nice drug, thats right.

Also Hillary being a insider is correct to, she was exonerated by Comey before he even interviewed her remember. The FBI was playing favorites and landing on grenades for Queen Hillary before she even lost in a epic and grand fashion on Nov 8th. Jeb Bush, being the brother of a ex president AND the son of a ex President is a insider to. Yes i know, logic. Try it.

Comey reopening the email probe 11 days before the election was laying down on grenades for Hillary?
 

HomerJS

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No, there were no traitors running for President. But the FBI agents who were using the FBI as a weapon against political opponents and damaging our justice system, IS treasonous.

Explain exactly how the FBI did that
 

UNCjigga

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This might be a stupid question, but since we continue to hear about how the dossier is unverified/not corroborated, etc. has there been ANY part of the dossier that has been confirmed as false?

I think there was one claim about Carter Page or someone else meeting Russian(s) in Prague, and that was debunked because that person never went to Prague.
 

Pens1566

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I think there was one claim about Carter Page or someone else meeting Russian(s) in Prague, and that was debunked because that person never went to Prague.

Not so fast. It was Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney. And his explanation for why it wasn't possible was to show a picture of the front of his passport on twitter. He further stated that he doesn't have any stamps in his passport for Czech republic, leaving out the fact that once in the EU Schengen zone, you can cross borders without getting any visa/passport checks. There's been some analysis of his social media postings and their geo-locations to show his story isn't supported by facts.
 

mizzou

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its hard to argue the email investigation was a travesty. the russian investigation is a travesty.

I dont think anyone a decade or two from now and say , " Well that was handled well'.

I suspect these investigations have so many hooks, turns, and stops that its an near impossible to have a presentable and clean presentation.

Oh well. Evrybody is crooked in Washington.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
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Jeezus, not even 5 hours and already this memo is getting ripped to shreds.

In addition to misquoting McCabe and Comey, at least on Dem is saying that the FISC judges (4 of them) were aware there was a "political context" to the dossier...I.e. funded by a political opponent. Nunes' sole issue here is that they may not have been aware it was Clinton vs. another Republican, but he misrepresented that to insinuate this info was hidden from the judges.
 

fskimospy

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It’s absolutely amazing to me how much Devin Nunes fucked up congress’s relationships with intelligence services, the norms around intelligence, etc, for something this small and pointless.

The dumbness of this guy is just epic.
 
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It’s just amazing how Carter Page went from being a nobody. A volunteer who played no role in the campaign that Trump couldn’t pick out of a line up to this central campaign official that the FBI was using to bring down the entire campaign.
 

mizzou

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It’s just amazing how Carter Page went from being a nobody. A volunteer who played no role in the campaign that Trump couldn’t pick out of a line up to this central campaign official that the FBI was using to bring down the entire campaign.

I imagine the republicans have dirty hands in this as well and are in no way the innocent saints they appear to be.


Its an amazing little rat chase everyone got involved in. Meanwhile this is EXACTLY what the Russians wanted...to sew dissent and chaos in american voter confidence.
 

soundforbjt

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I imagine the republicans have dirty hands in this as well and are in no way the innocent saints they appear to be.


Its an amazing little rat chase everyone got involved in. Meanwhile this is EXACTLY what the Russians wanted...to sew dissent and chaos in american voter confidence.
And it’s still happening and this administration has taken zero steps to hinder it.
 

Atreus21

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The dossier, intelligence initially commissioned by Republicans and later adopted by the Clinton campaign, played a role in decisions made by key players related to the chain of events that led to the appointment of Mueller.

Wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html

The Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee retained Fusion GPS to research any possible connections between Mr. Trump, his businesses, his campaign team and Russia, court filings revealed this week. Working for them, the firm retained Christopher Steele, a respected former British intelligence officer.

He went on to produce a series of memos that alleged a broad conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government to influence the 2016 presidential election on behalf of Mr. Trump. The memos, which became known as the “Steele dossier,” also contained unsubstantiated accounts of encounters between Mr. Trump and Russian prostitutes, as well as real estate deals that were intended as bribes.

The Washington Free Beacon had used Fusion GPS in the past. The DNC was responsible for the hiring of Steele and his resulting dossier.
 

fskimospy

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Trump himself wasnt under official investigation until after the election, with Mueller. So Comey had no reason to even announce anything.

Comey has no reason to announce anything either way but if you don’t think that it’s at least as worthy of mention that several members of Trump’s campaign were being investigated as part of a counterintelligence investigation into Russian efforts to intervene in our presidential election I don’t know what to say other than... wow.

No, there were no traitors running for President. But the FBI agents who were using the FBI as a weapon against political opponents and damaging our justice system, IS treasonous.

Good thing there is zero evidence of anything like that happening then huh?
 
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sportage

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For moat people this memo will amount to nothing.
Who the hell is Carter Page? And who the hell even cares?
The only result will be more people turning off the news and shutting off their mind.
If they the republicans can create an atmosphere where people just don't care and run away from hearing any of this, then Trump can do whatever he wishes.
He will have the banana republic that Trump himself has often said in public would be better than our current system.
Trump believes in dictatorship, in an enemies lists, in getting revenge, and believes in pushing his own facts minus the facts.
This will come back to bite us all in the butt, as a country, and what that will do is to enable nations working against us to succeed in bringing down America.
If I didn't know better, and I not sure I do, I'd swear the soviets have stacked the entire republican leadership from the American presidency down to the American local government with soviet KGB operatives.
Like with some James Bond movie, on steroids.
And as often the case with real life, no movie or Hollywood imagination can come close to telling the true story of how bad this actually is. The Donald Trump presidency.
No one could make this up in their wildest dreams.

One can only imagine what a Ronald Reagan would think, or a Franklin Roosevelt, or Abraham Lincoln, and especially a George Washington.
And a Richard Nixon would be so pissed that Trump gets away with this, and he himself Richard Nixon was disgraced into resignation for doing far less. FAR LESS......
So here could be our current reality, and Hollywood would think this senecio absolutely impossible and never make the movie, that the entire republican congress has been stacked with soviet KGB operatives as well as the US presidency, the US vice presidency, an entire news organization i.e. Fox News, and a full 33 percent of the American electorate.
That might be a Hollywood script in the making, but as so often the case would not come close to deplicting actual reality of the fact.
Look at that Trump supporter sitting next to you. Could he or she be KGB?
Odds are, they truly are.
я могу принести Вам чашечку кофе товарищ ???
 

Moonbeam

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It’s absolutely amazing to me how much Devin Nunes fucked up congress’s relationships with intelligence services, the norms around intelligence, etc, for something this small and pointless.

The dumbness of this guy is just epic.
There is profound nobility in sacrificing yourself for the Glory of God, being a soldier of the Light. It's also quite emotionally satisfying just to imagine that is what you are doing. And the greater the emotional poverty, self blindness to motivation, the more likely one is to participate is such fantasy. To be hated by the devil makes it really look like you're right. Better, I think, that we pity the machine.
 

sportage

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We all know what Donald Trump would say about this...



Поддельные новости. все поддельные новости.
 

Linux23

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Logic is a nice drug, thats right.

Also Hillary being a insider is correct to, she was exonerated by Comey before he even interviewed her remember. The FBI was playing favorites and landing on grenades for Queen Hillary before she even lost in a epic and grand fashion on Nov 8th. Jeb Bush, being the brother of a ex president AND the son of a ex President is a insider to. Yes i know, logic. Try it.
This is your brains on drugs. Any questions?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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its hard to argue the email investigation was a travesty. the russian investigation is a travesty.

I dont think anyone a decade or two from now and say , " Well that was handled well'.

I suspect these investigations have so many hooks, turns, and stops that its an near impossible to have a presentable and clean presentation.

Oh well. Evrybody is crooked in Washington.

+1!
 
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