Religion... why??

[Modeps]

you guys tired of pissing in the wind yet?

 

[mrCide]

i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

Why do you need to feel that the universe had to be contrived by someone? Why does it need to be someones idea?

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

Why do you need to feel that the universe had to be contrived by someone? Why does it need to be someones idea?

Because there is such a thing as existence.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

so basically god created everything right? And nothing created god, correct? god just existed forever?

SO WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE BIG BANG MATTER JUST HAVE EXISTED FOREVER TOO?


I can't believe people get hung up on such a concept, especially when they use the EXACT same concept in their argument :roll::roll::roll:

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

so basically god created everything right? And nothing created god, correct? god just existed forever?

SO WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE BIG BANG MATTER JUST HAVE EXISTED FOREVER TOO?


I can't believe people get hung up on such a concept, especially when they use the EXACT same concept in their argument :roll::roll::roll:

Because God is not a physically quantifiable entity. If He was, then when He created matter, He woud have created Himself. There are issues with that no matter what perspective you take.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: rudder
Why would I care about if the species advances? I am here now and will be forever gone when I die. All my work is useless to me then.

Good responses from everyone. Just trying to have fun with this topic, but its time to go home.

Kids, friends with kids.

I'm all for a civil debate, it's being likened to a third-world dictator that gets my dander up. Thanks for calming down

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Most religious people are not fundamental, preachy, fire-n-brimstone kinda folks. You fundamental atheists are as bad as the fundie religious folks.

I somewhat disagree. While most religious people aren't quite as bad as the stereotypes, most do give the impression that they think they're vastly superior and feel the need to "save" (control) others.

Originally posted by: mrCide
i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on..

I don't understand quantum mechanics either (as a matter of fact, I'm not even sure I spelled it right), but that doesn't mean God exists.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

so basically god created everything right? And nothing created god, correct? god just existed forever?

SO WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE BIG BANG MATTER JUST HAVE EXISTED FOREVER TOO?


I can't believe people get hung up on such a concept, especially when they use the EXACT same concept in their argument :roll::roll::roll:

Because God is not a physically quantifiable entity. If He was, then when He created matter, He woud have created Himself. There are issues with that no matter what perspective you take.

So no matter created matter? How do you know god isn't a physical quantifable entity?

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

so basically god created everything right? And nothing created god, correct? god just existed forever?

SO WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE BIG BANG MATTER JUST HAVE EXISTED FOREVER TOO?


I can't believe people get hung up on such a concept, especially when they use the EXACT same concept in their argument :roll::roll::roll:

Because God is not a physically quantifiable entity. If He was, then when He created matter, He woud have created Himself. There are issues with that no matter what perspective you take.

So no matter created matter? How do you know god isn't a physical quantifable entity?

That's correct. No matter created matter.

Matter and energy are subject to the effects of time. In numerous places in the Bible, it is made clear that God is not affected by time.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: jyates

You can't see air but you're breathing aren't you?
Now before you go to harping that we have equipment to
prove that air is there did they have that equipment centuries
ago? Did those people not believe in air because they couldn't
prove it was there?

You don't need to have scientific instruments to prove air is there. One could simply blow bubbles underwater. I'm quite sure water existed for a very long time.

You could blow up a balloon.

Even easiar yet. You could exhale\blow on your hand and FEEL it.

Though, if I were trying to be a smartass, I could say you could see the "air" when you exhale in the winter.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: andrewjm

Originally posted by: SampSon
There is no "scientific" evidence god doesn't exist.

You will find your spirituality when you're older, hopefully not too late.

I will respond by assuming you believe in god...

You can't say that something exists without proving it. It is your responsibility to prove that it exists if you say it exists. You cannot just say something is a certain way and it is true until someone proves you wrong. That's not how science is.

I don't believe in god.

Though I also don't believe in the scientific method. Simply because it was developed by humans and thusly flawed at the core.
Scientific method has been wrong COUNTLESS times. So really, don't approach a subject like this with such a rudimentary understanding.

The best part about what you said is that you used the scientific method to come to the conclusion that the scientific method is flawed.

Therefore, you are stupid.

 

Scientific method is NOT just human observation. There is inductive and deductive reasoning, and many foundational theories were derived a priori!

Everything is human observation and human perception. Your perception tells you it all exists, though you can't be sure. Yes I was being rhetorical with me previous statement.

The best part about what you said is that you used the scientific method to come to the conclusion that the scientific method is flawed.

Therefore, you are stupid.

The scientific method cannot be avoided. I use it to shave, to cook my eggs, to drive my car, to smoke my cigars. "Scientific method" cannot be avoided.
Any logical conclusion comes from "the scientific method". Hard to put what I want to say into words. What you perceive as logic and reality, could turn not to not be true. But thanks for calling me stupid I really appreciate the kind words. Now get on your little bitch knees and suckmydick.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: andrewjm
Don't wanna start a huge war over the existence of god, cause I know it'll get nasty. But I was just wondering how someone could be so religious that they change their way of life just to "please" jesus or god.

There is NO scentific proof of the existence of a supreme being. Why would you believe in something you cannot see nor prove and have no evidence whatsoever that it exists. Do you believe in purple elephants? I doubt it... but why? cause you've never seen them? theres no evidence? How about god... you've never seen him... theres no evidence...

Well, you believe in science.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: Beattie
Religions all demand blind faith. That way they dont NEED to prove anything.

very far from the truth, I think religion should offer reason based thinking. So you understand what you believe in.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: SampSon
There is no "scientific" evidence god doesn't exist.

You will find your spirituality when you're older, hopefully not too late.

Then why is it that many scientists i.e. Einstein had a very strong belief that there is God?

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Beattie
Religions all demand blind faith. That way they dont NEED to prove anything.

Ever heard of religious philosophy?

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: andrewjm
Don't wanna start a huge war over the existence of god, cause I know it'll get nasty. But I was just wondering how someone could be so religious that they change their way of life just to "please" jesus or god.

There is NO scentific proof of the existence of a supreme being. Why would you believe in something you cannot see nor prove and have no evidence whatsoever that it exists. Do you believe in purple elephants? I doubt it... but why? cause you've never seen them? theres no evidence? How about god... you've never seen him... theres no evidence...

sounds to me like you want to start a huge war over the existence of god.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: andrewjm
Don't wanna start a huge war over the existence of god, cause I know it'll get nasty. But I was just wondering how someone could be so religious that they change their way of life just to "please" jesus or god.

There is NO scentific proof of the existence of a supreme being. Why would you believe in something you cannot see nor prove and have no evidence whatsoever that it exists. Do you believe in purple elephants? I doubt it... but why? cause you've never seen them? theres no evidence? How about god... you've never seen him... theres no evidence...

sounds to me like you want to start a huge war over the existence of god.

Dude, my god's bigger than your god.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: zerocool1
Then why is it that many scientists i.e. Einstein had a very strong belief that there is God?

Because evolution isn't easily circumvented. Relax your leg & tap the spot just below your kneecap with a knuckle. Now, without flexing any muscles, tap the spot again and mentally make your leg not move... succeed yet?

I imagine that's how religion is for many people. It's been so integral to our advancement as a species (namely in forming civilizations) that it's become as much a part of our genetic makeup as language & phobias.

There are varying degrees of anything genetic in nature, and even a few outright exceptions, of course. Just as the maternal instinct is generally very strong, there are mothers who are distant to their kids, and then a very few who are outright malevolent (that woman who brained her kids with rocks in Texas comes to mind - she did it because "god told her to", btw, and the one in one of the Carolinas who drove her kid-laden car into a lake and claimed it was stolen - that one did it for her boyfriend). I believe this is why some otherwise very intelligent people are religious, just as I'm very intelligent yet have an irrational and near-debilitating fear of spiders.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: mrCide
i NEVER respond to thesethreads because of the simple ignorance and egos usually, however..

i believe God exists because, if there was a big bang, something created that big bang, something created that, and so on.. creation has a starting point and i think that was God, i try not to dwell past that. I believe in christianity because i generally believe the things that are taught to be followed.

hm.. ill keep it short

so basically god created everything right? And nothing created god, correct? god just existed forever?

SO WHY THE HELL CAN'T THE BIG BANG MATTER JUST HAVE EXISTED FOREVER TOO?


I can't believe people get hung up on such a concept, especially when they use the EXACT same concept in their argument :roll::roll::roll:

Because God is not a physically quantifiable entity. If He was, then when He created matter, He woud have created Himself. There are issues with that no matter what perspective you take.

So no matter created matter? How do you know god isn't a physical quantifable entity?

That's correct. No matter created matter.

Matter and energy are subject to the effects of time. In numerous places in the Bible, it is made clear that God is not affected by time.

so energy can always have existed but matter cannot? that makes no sense

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
That's correct. No matter created matter.

Matter and energy are subject to the effects of time. In numerous places in the Bible, it is made clear that God is not affected by time.

I suppose it would not interest you to find out that, even as the universe exists today, matter and energy is routinely created from nothing (and returns to nothing - 'laws of conservation' be damned!). Look up 'Hawking radiation' on google. Completely without divine intervention, too. How interesting!

Originally posted by: zerocool1

Originally posted by: SampSon
There is no "scientific" evidence god doesn't exist.

You will find your spirituality when you're older, hopefully not too late.

Then why is it that many scientists i.e. Einstein had a very strong belief that there is God?

Einstein was actually an atheist. The 'Einstein believes in god' BS was due to a quote from him routinely taken out of context by religious folk.

 

[Nebor]

Religion fills a void. I fill the void with ATOT.

 

[ROTC1983]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: ROTC1983

Originally posted by: MAME
Religion explains the unexplainable. That's the entire concept.

FYI, there's no proof a supreme doesn't exist either.

Ad Ignorantium...using someone's ignorance to proof something...I believe that both sides of the camp will have to try better.

Ad Ignorantiam

of course religion feeds on ignorance, that's the whole point, as stated

Thanks for fixing that...I saw a couple of different spellings on the net and couldn't make up my mind

 

[azncoffeeboi]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: andrewjm
Don't wanna start a huge war over the existence of god, cause I know it'll get nasty. But I was just wondering how someone could be so religious that they change their way of life just to "please" jesus or god.

There is NO scentific proof of the existence of a supreme being. Why would you believe in something you cannot see nor prove and have no evidence whatsoever that it exists. Do you believe in purple elephants? I doubt it... but why? cause you've never seen them? theres no evidence? How about god... you've never seen him... theres no evidence...

Contradict yourself much, troll? Nice flamebait :roll:


While I'm not religious, I'm agnostic, these kind of question of easy to answer with a little logic. Religion is not about changing your life - you are part of your religion, and your religion and beliefs are a large part of who you are. Faith is what it is all about.

rbloedow, best post in the thread