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Pacfanweb

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I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.
 

child of wonder

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As tolerant as I try to be, I, too, believe that human progress is really hindered by religion.

As the "Baby Boomers" generation passes on I think we'll see drastic drops in religious adherence in the US. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next 20 years.
 

PieIsAwesome

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Did you know that as the number of pirates has decreased global warming has increased? A Fact.
 

biggestmuff

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Originally posted by: ICRS
Originally posted by: TehMac
Meh, I think sometimes family peeps can be pretty annoying when it comes to religion. The thing is that religion is such a matter of intense pride, its so easy to get personal about it. The whole thing is very intimate.

I don't think she's spewing hate, she probably didn't word it the right way, and her attitude certainly isn't very encouraging.

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

Just like the Jews, right?

Jews who worship a god are a disease on society and should be wiped out.

What a nice thing to say. Care to say some words about Muslims, Hindus, etc?
 

Pacfanweb

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Jan 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Did you know that as the number of pirates has decreased global warming has increased? A Fact.
Really? I'd say that in light of current events, the number of pirates has been increasing steadily for the last decade.

And the "kicking religion out of every facet of life" kick has only been going on for the last 30 years or so...not surprisingly, during the exact same time that the behavior of Americans in general has gone downhill.
Just look at discipline problems in schools they have now, compared to just 20 years ago...it's not even comparable, really. Far more problems now.
Sure, it does go deeper than just people not being as religious as they used to be, but that IS a definite factor.
 

Xecuter

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Personally, I think that religion is one of the few things that we need to pay less attention to. A LOT of self professed christians say that they believe in jesus and then go on and hate homosexuals and what not; they quote the bible to back up their opinion. Jesus accepted everyone unconditionally.

POINT BEING--People focus on BIBLE and DOCTRINE. I can't stand doctrine, it distorts the true message. Having been raised in a christian household, I can't stand church but I strongly believe in the principles and morals of jesus.
 

ZzZGuy

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My parents raised me without any religious influence on their part, though I did go through roman catholic public school until the government (Canada, Newfoundland) abolished "you can only go here if you're X religion" schools. My friend had religion shoved down his throat since he first saw daylight.

I can't fathom why anyone would believe any one religion is the one true religion and my friend can't fathom why anyone believes evolution (I don't think he actually believes his religion is the one true religion). We debate sometimes, but it boils down to "I don't believe that, what is the source/science behind your argument", by this point we usually go "screw this" as we'd need to go to a library for a few days to explain fully our arguments and instead go for a bond fire or looking for some small animal to shoot for lunch later, maybe some cheap fireworks. Oddly enough he is the one who goes "you know, that would be a awesome spot for a machine gun net, you hide a few guys along that ridge and you could wipe out a entire patrol" and is also joining the military.


I could go into a argument as to why man made religion is wrong, but all religious debates on the internet turn into cesspits of hate, ignorance and stupidity in very short periods of time caused by both sides. Look up creationism debates on youtube, that is all I will say.
 

Mr. Lennon

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Ever heard of the Crusades? Nothing has caused more bloodshed than religion has. Religion is and will always be the biggest murdering force around. Religion would be the last thing I would turn to in regards to enforcing morals.

You may think our society is on a decline, but its actually been like this for awhile now. The only difference now is that people are actually being open about it. Back in the day you would just turn your cheek to the wife down the street that is getting beaten to shit every night by her drunk husband. If you were raped/ sexually assaulted you would not tell anybody out of fear and shame.

Since the dawn of men there have always been rapists, murders, and thieves. Its just that now there are more of them due to a bigger population and also because these crimes are more openly discussed.

 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ICRS
Originally posted by: TehMac
Meh, I think sometimes family peeps can be pretty annoying when it comes to religion. The thing is that religion is such a matter of intense pride, its so easy to get personal about it. The whole thing is very intimate.

I don't think she's spewing hate, she probably didn't word it the right way, and her attitude certainly isn't very encouraging.

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

Just like the Jews, right?

Jews who worship a god are a disease on society and should be wiped out.

Quoted, and crossing my fingers for a permaban.

yeah. weak for 2 weeks.

This is undeniable permaban material.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

well, let's be honest here.

the original settlers were a bunch of cast-out, intolerant "Christians" whom the other Christians couldn't abide. The Massachusetts Bay Colony settlers were too scary for Europe.

The founding fathers knew this, which is why Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, et al were staunch secularists and exercised everything in their power to insure that such dimwits didn't gain a stranglehold on their new country. Unfortunately, those locks are starting to crumble.

Washington was a mere figurehead that appealed to the illiterate tax-paying populace.

If you want to stick to historical facts, the US was in no way founded by Christians as you understand them to be. This isn't even a debate in historical circles. Have you even read the Jefferson Bible?

I'll wait for your head to explode.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Did you know that as the number of pirates has decreased global warming has increased? A Fact.
Really? I'd say that in light of current events, the number of pirates has been increasing steadily for the last decade.

And the "kicking religion out of every facet of life" kick has only been going on for the last 30 years or so...not surprisingly, during the exact same time that the behavior of Americans in general has gone downhill.
Just look at discipline problems in schools they have now, compared to just 20 years ago...it's not even comparable, really. Far more problems now.
Sure, it does go deeper than just people not being as religious as they used to be, but that IS a definite factor.

I'm curious about what "problems" you are alluding to.

curious, you know....because you're being extremely vague.....
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Ever heard of the Crusades? Nothing has caused more bloodshed than religion has. Religion is and will always be the biggest murdering force around. Religion would be the last thing I would turn to in regards to enforcing morals.

You may think our society is on a decline, but its actually been like this for awhile now. The only difference now is that people are actually being open about it. Back in the day you would just turn your cheek to the wife down the street that is getting beaten to shit every night by her drunk husband. If you were raped/ sexually assaulted you would not tell anybody out of fear and shame.

Since the dawn of men there have always been rapists, murders, and thieves. Its just that now there are more of them due to a bigger population and also because these crimes are more openly discussed.
And the danger of religion is that these people believe that 1) They are doing the work of some greater being, something far greater than themselves, which "justifies" their cause, and 2) That what they are doing is absolutely right, as a result.
"God hates fags" - those dicks seem to believe that they're doing a great and noble thing by picketing funerals and brainwashing their children with hate.

And you hear that people know what God wants, and that they're doing what his work. Turn that around and ask why God caused an earthquake that killed hundreds of thousands of people in the resulting tsunami. "God works in mysterious ways, and we can't possibly comprehend them." Really? How does anyone know that they're doing "God's work" then, and that it's really good?
Maybe God's plan includes having 50 generations of atheists, so that he can have another Great Flood and finally get things right. Third time's the charm - and all these people trying to "prevent" atheists are actually standing in the way of God's plan. Drat, I guess they're actually going to Hell now for making a wrong decision.

All of the religion stuff reeks of logical absurdity. The only remotely plausible "deity" explanation would be that some powerful life form knew how to manipulate space, time, and matter, such that it made an expanding bubble of spacetime, which we infer came from "The Big Bang" - this being still isn't a god, it isn't "God," it's simply a life form billions of years more advanced than us; it is to us as we are to bacteria. It would be uncaring as to our way of life, it would not generate archaic and conflicting rules for us to live by, just as we don't punish bacteria because they reproduce asexually.
(We just kill bacteria wholesale when they annoy us. )

 

lifeobry

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Religion isn't the problem. Stupid people are. I've known several deeply religious people that I also highly respected for their intellects. I will say though that people like that are few and far between unfortunately...
 

BeauJangles

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Did you know that as the number of pirates has decreased global warming has increased? A Fact.
Really? I'd say that in light of current events, the number of pirates has been increasing steadily for the last decade.

And the "kicking religion out of every facet of life" kick has only been going on for the last 30 years or so...not surprisingly, during the exact same time that the behavior of Americans in general has gone downhill.
Just look at discipline problems in schools they have now, compared to just 20 years ago...it's not even comparable, really. Far more problems now.
Sure, it does go deeper than just people not being as religious as they used to be, but that IS a definite factor.

Correlation is not causation, which is what PieIsAwesome was trying to tell you.

You can't say something is a definite factor, because you really have no idea. You just see X increasing and Y decreasing and believe that they must somehow be related. Personally, I don't see really see too much correlation between the values we hold sacred in this country or the morals we rely on every day and christianity. There have been a few studies that point to morality being pretty universal and not particularly associated with one brand of religion.
 

PieIsAwesome

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Did you know that as the number of pirates has decreased global warming has increased? A Fact.
Really? I'd say that in light of current events, the number of pirates has been increasing steadily for the last decade.

And the "kicking religion out of every facet of life" kick has only been going on for the last 30 years or so...not surprisingly, during the exact same time that the behavior of Americans in general has gone downhill.
Just look at discipline problems in schools they have now, compared to just 20 years ago...it's not even comparable, really. Far more problems now.
Sure, it does go deeper than just people not being as religious as they used to be, but that IS a definite factor.

I am going to need a respected source validating your outrageous claim about pirates.

Actually, I believe it is necessary to clear a couple of common misconceptions on what a pirate is. The two types of "pirates" I suspect you may be mistaking for real pirates are pirates illegally distributing copyrighted material over the internet and the well tanned but emaciated pirates off of the African coast. Real pirates roam the seas on schooners, dress in classic 17th-18th century attire, wear eye-patches, funny hats, parrots, and have interesting swashbuckling adventures. They also rape lots of women and may suffer from scurvy. Nerds distributing porn do not wear fancy hats, they have no sense of dress, and they most certainly do not fornicate. They are not pirates. I also fail to see how starving African fisherman can have romantic and dramatic adventures on the high seas. They are not pirates either.

So until you deliver proof of your statement, showing an increase of REAL pirates in recent years, your point is moot.
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

Did you know that as the number of pirates has decreased global warming has increased? A Fact.
Really? I'd say that in light of current events, the number of pirates has been increasing steadily for the last decade.

And the "kicking religion out of every facet of life" kick has only been going on for the last 30 years or so...not surprisingly, during the exact same time that the behavior of Americans in general has gone downhill.
Just look at discipline problems in schools they have now, compared to just 20 years ago...it's not even comparable, really. Far more problems now.
Sure, it does go deeper than just people not being as religious as they used to be, but that IS a definite factor.

I am going to need a respected source validating your outrageous claim about pirates.

Actually, I believe it is necessary to clear a couple of common misconceptions on what a pirate is. The two types of "pirates" I suspect you may be mistaking for real pirates are pirates illegally distributing copyrighted material over the internet and the well tanned but emaciated pirates off of the African coast. Real pirates roam the seas on schooners, dress in classic 17th-18th century attire, wear eye-patches, funny hats, parrots, and have interesting swashbuckling adventures. They also rape lots of women and may suffer from scurvy. Nerds distributing porn do not wear fancy hats, they have no sense of dress, and they most certainly do not fornicate. They are not pirates. I also fail to see how starving African fisherman can have romantic and dramatic adventures on the high seas. They are not pirates either.

So until you deliver proof of your statement, showing an increase of REAL pirates in recent years, your point is moot.

not sure where you got your definition of pirates, but here is a real one:


pi·rate
/'pa?r?t/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pahy-ruht] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, -rat·ed, -rat·ing.
?noun
1. a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
2. a ship used by such persons.
3. any plunderer, predator, etc.: confidence men, slumlords, and other pirates.
4. a person who uses or reproduces the work or invention of another without authorization.
5. Also called pirate stream. Geology. a stream that diverts into its own flow the headwaters of another stream, river, etc.
?verb (used with object)
6. to commit piracy upon; plunder; rob.
7. to take by piracy: to pirate gold.
8. to use or reproduce (a book, an invention, etc.) without authorization or legal right: to pirate hit records.
9. to take or entice away for one's own use: Our competitor is trying to pirate our best salesman.
?verb (used without object)
10. to commit or practice piracy.
Origin:
1250?1300; ME < L pirata < Gk peirats, equiv. to peira-, var. s. of peirân to attack + -tes agent n. suffix
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
 

sash1

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my history teacher in HS always said it best: heaven for the climate, hell for the company
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

As much as that's repeated, I don't think a lot of people really are that familiar with how "religious" folks like Ben Franklin & Thomas Jefferson actually were.


Anyways, I thought this video was appropriate about now...
here
 
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Your last comment to them made you sound just as bad as they are.

Shut up. He was being attacked and he did what he could to end the conversation. There is no talking to lunatic fanatics like these religious shits.
 

CKent

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Wow, what fucked up red bible-belt state do you live in? Your author profile doesn't list it. Christ, I wish we had let those retards secede...
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: CKent
Wow, what fucked up red bible-belt state do you live in? Your author profile doesn't list it. Christ, I wish we had let those retards secede...

nice. what fucked up blue state do you live in?
 
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