Religion

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I'm not much on going to church, but I disagree that religion is bad and we need to get away from it.

In fact, the farther away we have gotten from it, the worse things are getting. This isn't even debatable...it's like the sun rising in the East. A fact. The USA was founded on Christianity and its beliefs. That's what our laws are based on. It got us this far, and it'll get us a lot farther.

That said, my personal opinion is, my religion or lack of, is my business and not anyone else's. Including my family's.

IF you want to argue that the United States was founded on Christian principles, then I'd argue that those principles are not the same ways embraced by many (most) modern-day Christians.

The Christianity this country was founded on was one that valued individuals, valued people's right to make their own choices, and didn't try to force itself on everyone. It valued ideas that might have run contrary to its own belief and it created a country that was, at its best, a place for everyone. Of course it wasn't perfect (slavery), but it was a hell of a lot more tolerant than a lot of the crap that gets spewed today.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

I agree, but I feel the same way about people who believe in human-initiated global warming.

Summarily shot.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Your last comment to them made you sound just as bad as they are.

He could just tell them to go to hell and they could rightfully say "see ya there". :shocked:

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
I am Catholic and I don't understand these types of people. God is the only one who can judge and yet they pass judgment on his behalf and already condemn you to Hell. I don't understand how they can't see in the arrogance in presuming what God will do.

Priests have no problem passing judgments on their followers....

I was born and raised catholic. Even went through confirmation. I started giving up on the church around the time all those priests were caught for molesting children. No way in hell did I want to be apart of a religion who tried to cover up such sickening acts.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

Idiocy and closed mindedness is a mental illness which should be cleansed from society. Let each believe what he wants. It doesn't mean that people should berate each other about their beliefs but it does mean they can believe what you may not agree with. Welcome to the free world.

 

[Sasiki]

Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

Pascal's wager has poor odds considering how many bets you'd have to place to get your bases covered.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

fail.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

What about all those people born before Jesus and Christanity existed? Do they go to hell simply because there was no way for them to know Christ's message?

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

What about all those people born before Jesus and Christanity existed? Do they go to hell simply because there was no way for them to know Christ's message?

Life is a lonely, full of hate and despair. I guess we are already in hell.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

Ah,Pascals Wager. You have nothing to lose if you believe in God, why not?

What about this, what if YOU are wrong. Why should I go to Christian church? I have nothing to lose by going to a... Scientology church (except my money and intelligence) and everything to gain (I dunno, hot chicks?), why not? Why is YOUR religion THE religion to believe in, in order to not go to hell?

 

[Sasiki]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

What about all those people born before Jesus and Christanity existed? Do they go to hell simply because there was no way for them to know Christ's message?

This was a confusing Sunday school lesson. Jesus is God's wisdom in the flesh. God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit have always existed as one, the Godhead. God's wisdom was prevalent on Earth before Christ to those who opened their hearts to Him.

 

[Sasiki]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

What about all those people born before Jesus and Christanity existed? Do they go to hell simply because there was no way for them to know Christ's message?

Life is a lonely, full of hate and despair. I guess we are already in hell.

That is untrue. My Christian way of life is full of happiness, fullness, hope, and all things that are good in the world. It is the way I choose to live and feel that it makes me a better person because of it.

Your life is lonely, full of hate and despair, because that is the way you choose it to be.

 

[Sasiki]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
What about this, what if YOU are wrong. Why should I go to Christian church? I have nothing to lose by going to a... Scientology church (except my money and intelligence) and everything to gain (I dunno, hot chicks?), why not? Why is YOUR religion THE religion to believe in, in order to not go to hell?

If I am wrong, I die and nothing happens. If I am right and I die, I go to heaven and live eternally at the side of my saviour Jesus Christ. As I said before, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In my mind, if I were a nonbeliever, I would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Everything is to lose by not being a Christian. It's simple. A Christian dies and goes to Heaven. A nonbeliever dies and goes to Hell.

In this, I am not trying to speak down upon anyone or judge anyone. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Sasiki

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
What about this, what if YOU are wrong. Why should I go to Christian church? I have nothing to lose by going to a... Scientology church (except my money and intelligence) and everything to gain (I dunno, hot chicks?), why not? Why is YOUR religion THE religion to believe in, in order to not go to hell?

If I am wrong, I die and nothing happens. If I am right and I die, I go to heaven and live eternally at the side of my saviour Jesus Christ. As I said before, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In my mind, if I were a nonbeliever, I would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Everything is to lose by not being a Christian. It's simple. A Christian dies and goes to Heaven. A nonbeliever dies and goes to Hell.

In this, I am not trying to speak down upon anyone or judge anyone. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe.

Wrong. If you're wrong and Islam is right, you're screwed. For that matter, if any other religion is right and you're wrong, you're screwed. You would have bet on the wrong horse, sided with the wrong man. It would be like spending your whole life constantly betting that Ivan Drago would defeat Rocky in Rocky IV only realize at the end poor Drago has sucked you dry, left you penniless and knew all along he was going to lose.

Originally posted by: Sasiki

This was a confusing Sunday school lesson. Jesus is God's wisdom in the flesh. God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit have always existed as one, the Godhead. God's wisdom was prevalent on Earth before Christ to those who opened their hearts to Him.

But I thought you had to accept Jesus to be saved? How can you accept something which hasn't yet existed? Take, for example, those poor misguided Greeks. Are you telling me Plato went to hell because he worshiped his plethora of Gods? He didn't know any better, but your book says he goes to hell. That doesn't make sense.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Aunt: So does it bother you that your GF is jewish?

Me: No. I don't care for religion anymore. I believe in a god though.

Aunt: Do you pray to Jesus?

Me: No

Aunt: Yeah your GF changed you, you used to play guitar at church.

Me: Yeah for the live experience and cute girls. If anything, the lunatics at that church helped push me away from religion.

Dad: *jokingly* He's atheist. (Even though he's joking, I have a good feeling he thinks that way)

Aunt: You do know you and your girlfriend are going to hell right?

Me: So you are saying if we both live honorable and selfless lives, god won't accept us because we don't follow YOUR religion?

Mom: If you don't believe the bible, you guys are going to hell. Please don't scare me like this.

Me: I give up. You both call yourselves Christains, but you have no problem cussing and spewing hate towards others that don't share the same view as you. If there is a heaven, you guys surely would be last in line....... if you are even in it to begin with.

The real conversation could not have gone as written.

My guess is that his aunt is mentally retarded and it runs in the family.

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

For all you Atheists out there, just know that you believe and think in the same way ICRS does.

zing.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Sasiki

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
What about this, what if YOU are wrong. Why should I go to Christian church? I have nothing to lose by going to a... Scientology church (except my money and intelligence) and everything to gain (I dunno, hot chicks?), why not? Why is YOUR religion THE religion to believe in, in order to not go to hell?

If I am wrong, I die and nothing happens. If I am right and I die, I go to heaven and live eternally at the side of my saviour Jesus Christ. As I said before, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In my mind, if I were a nonbeliever, I would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Everything is to lose by not being a Christian. It's simple. A Christian dies and goes to Heaven. A nonbeliever dies and goes to Hell.

In this, I am not trying to speak down upon anyone or judge anyone. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe.

Wrong. If you're wrong and Islam is right, you're screwed. For that matter, if any other religion is right and you're wrong, you're screwed. You would have bet on the wrong horse, sided with the wrong man. It would be like spending your whole life constantly betting that Ivan Drago would defeat Rocky in Rocky IV only realize at the end poor Drago has sucked you dry, left you penniless and knew all along he was going to lose.

Originally posted by: Sasiki

This was a confusing Sunday school lesson. Jesus is God's wisdom in the flesh. God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit have always existed as one, the Godhead. God's wisdom was prevalent on Earth before Christ to those who opened their hearts to Him.

But I thought you had to accept Jesus to be saved? How can you accept something which hasn't yet existed? Take, for example, those poor misguided Greeks. Are you telling me Plato went to hell because he worshiped his plethora of Gods? He didn't know any better, but your book says he goes to hell. That doesn't make sense.

You must have not gotten the memo. My religion is right, yours is wrong.

 

[JackBurton]

I heard there is a party going on in here. What's up?!!

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Sasiki

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
What about this, what if YOU are wrong. Why should I go to Christian church? I have nothing to lose by going to a... Scientology church (except my money and intelligence) and everything to gain (I dunno, hot chicks?), why not? Why is YOUR religion THE religion to believe in, in order to not go to hell?

If I am wrong, I die and nothing happens. If I am right and I die, I go to heaven and live eternally at the side of my saviour Jesus Christ. As I said before, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In my mind, if I were a nonbeliever, I would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Everything is to lose by not being a Christian. It's simple. A Christian dies and goes to Heaven. A nonbeliever dies and goes to Hell.

In this, I am not trying to speak down upon anyone or judge anyone. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe.

If I am wrong, I die and nothing happens. If I am right and I die, worms eat my flesh. As I said before, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In my mind, if I were a nonbeliever, I would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Everything is to lose by not being an athiest. It's simple. An atheist dies and nothing happens. A nonbeliever dies and nothing happens.

In this, I am not trying to speak down upon anyone or judge anyone. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Aunt: So does it bother you that your GF is jewish?

Me: No. I don't care for religion anymore. I believe in a god though.

Aunt: Do you pray to Jesus?

Me: No

Aunt: Yeah your GF changed you, you used to play guitar at church.

Me: Yeah for the live experience and cute girls. If anything, the lunatics at that church helped push me away from religion.

Dad: *jokingly* He's atheist. (Even though he's joking, I have a good feeling he thinks that way)

Aunt: You do know you and your girlfriend are going to hell right?

Me: So you are saying if we both live honorable and selfless lives, god won't accept us because we don't follow YOUR religion?

Mom: If you don't believe the bible, you guys are going to hell. Please don't scare me like this.

Me: I give up. You both call yourselves Christains, but you have no problem cussing and spewing hate towards others that don't share the same view as you. If there is a heaven, you guys surely would be last in line....... if you are even in it to begin with.

The real conversation could not have gone as written.

My guess is that his aunt is mentally retarded and it runs in the family.

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

For all you Atheists out there, just know that you believe and think in the same way ICRS does.

zing.

For all you religious out there, just know that you believe and think in the same way Osama Bin Laden does.

zing.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Aunt: So does it bother you that your GF is jewish?

Me: No. I don't care for religion anymore. I believe in a god though.

Aunt: Do you pray to Jesus?

Me: No

Aunt: Yeah your GF changed you, you used to play guitar at church.

Me: Yeah for the live experience and cute girls. If anything, the lunatics at that church helped push me away from religion.

Dad: *jokingly* He's atheist. (Even though he's joking, I have a good feeling he thinks that way)

Aunt: You do know you and your girlfriend are going to hell right?

Me: So you are saying if we both live honorable and selfless lives, god won't accept us because we don't follow YOUR religion?

Mom: If you don't believe the bible, you guys are going to hell. Please don't scare me like this.

Me: I give up. You both call yourselves Christains, but you have no problem cussing and spewing hate towards others that don't share the same view as you. If there is a heaven, you guys surely would be last in line....... if you are even in it to begin with.

The real conversation could not have gone as written.

My guess is that his aunt is mentally retarded and it runs in the family.

Originally posted by: ICRS
God belief is a mental illness. It is a delusion. It is a disease on society. It spreads and everywhere it spreads it kills. It should never be tolerated. It should be cleansed from society and its followers showed by removed.

For all you Atheists out there, just know that you believe and think in the same way ICRS does.

zing.

For all you religious out there, just know that you believe and think in the same way Osama Bin Laden does.

zing.

Wow I didn't realize Osama's religion was to love thy neighbor.

fail.

 

[ABitTooSpicy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. All religion debates summed up in one sentence:

"My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend."

</All religion debates>

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Sasiki

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
What about this, what if YOU are wrong. Why should I go to Christian church? I have nothing to lose by going to a... Scientology church (except my money and intelligence) and everything to gain (I dunno, hot chicks?), why not? Why is YOUR religion THE religion to believe in, in order to not go to hell?

If I am wrong, I die and nothing happens. If I am right and I die, I go to heaven and live eternally at the side of my saviour Jesus Christ. As I said before, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In my mind, if I were a nonbeliever, I would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Everything is to lose by not being a Christian. It's simple. A Christian dies and goes to Heaven. A nonbeliever dies and goes to Hell.

In this, I am not trying to speak down upon anyone or judge anyone. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe.

"Hi God. I believe in you because it was the safer option. I can has Heaven now?"

Shouldn't you believe in some religion because it is the right one, not because it is "safer" than an alternative?
Maybe some other religion has a "hell" that makes the Christian Hell look like an eternal orgasm. Wouldn't it be safer to follow that other religion instead?

Originally posted by: JS80
Wow I didn't realize Osama's religion was to love thy neighbor.

fail.

Some of Islam says that you should be peaceful.

Some of Christianity says women are inherently inferior, and that slavery is perfectly ok.


But of course, you can always pick and choose which parts you want to follow.

The Bible: Choose Your Own Adventure.

 

[Sasiki]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
How can you accept something which hasn't yet existed?

In the book of Genesis, chapter 12, verses 1-3. The Lord had said to Abram (Abraham), "Leave your native country, your relatives, and your father's family, and go to the land that i will show you. I will make you into a great nation. I will bless you and make you famous, and you will be a blessing to others. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who treat you with contempt. All the families on earth will be blessed through you.

God has always made provisions for people to accept Him, whether it was as the father, the son, or the holy spirit.


Time for sleep.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Sasiki

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
How can you accept something which hasn't yet existed?

In the book of Genesis, chapter 12, verses 1-3. The Lord had said to Abram (Abraham), "Leave your native country, your relatives, and your father's family, and go to the land that i will show you. I will make you into a great nation. I will bless you and make you famous, and you will be a blessing to others. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who treat you with contempt. All the families on earth will be blessed through you.

God has always made provisions for people to accept Him, whether it was as the father, the son, or the holy spirit.


Time for sleep.

You missed the point. Millions of people lived before the Bible was written by people, so how do they know any of these things?

Edit: What I'm trying to say is that if the laws of the bible are what people are held to in order to go to heaven and that god applied those rules to people before the book existed, then how do you know that god didn't release the New New Testament 1,000 years from now and is now telling you that you must pray to Mecca three times a day to go to Heaven?

If the rules didn't apply, then how can God be so almighty and loving and yet let millions of people go straight to hell because he was still copy-editing the bible?