Religion

[So]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Robor
I have an aunt who visits a few times per year and each time she leaves she gives me something from that 'Daily Bread' publication. I'm agnostic. I don't deny the possibility of a supreme being but I don't deny the possibility there is none either. I simply don't know. Now my aunt knows this but continues to give me this religious propaganda. I know she means well but at the same time why can't she understand and accept I do not follow her chosen faith? I wonder what she would think if I gave her material from Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc? Those of faith often ask agnostics/atheists to keep an open mind yet they often practice their own religion as though it is the undeniable one and only truth. How can they deny all faiths but their own yet not accept the possibility they may be wrong?

If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means "a (not) - theist"

Many people don't want to call themselves that because of the stigma that religious folk have associated with it.

Agnostic and atheist are two very different things.

The latter claims to know with certainty that there is no god while the former admits one cannot know with certainty either way.

Not even close to true. I stand by what I said. Many atheists label themselves agnostic because they think that theists will treat them better if they shun the label. Being an atheist simply means you do not actively believe that a god exists. You either believe that a god is more likely than not to exist or vice versa.

Agnostic - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

Atheist - one who believes that there is no deity.

Pretty cut and dry, my friend.

Again. Not accurate.

Gnosticism is reflective of the knowability of something, theism is the active belief in a god.

You can be a gnostic or agnostic atheist and you can be a gnostic or agnostic theist. Most people who label themselves "agnostic" are also atheists -- they don't actively believe in a god.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Robor
I have an aunt who visits a few times per year and each time she leaves she gives me something from that 'Daily Bread' publication. I'm agnostic. I don't deny the possibility of a supreme being but I don't deny the possibility there is none either. I simply don't know. Now my aunt knows this but continues to give me this religious propaganda. I know she means well but at the same time why can't she understand and accept I do not follow her chosen faith? I wonder what she would think if I gave her material from Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc? Those of faith often ask agnostics/atheists to keep an open mind yet they often practice their own religion as though it is the undeniable one and only truth. How can they deny all faiths but their own yet not accept the possibility they may be wrong?

If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means "a (not) - theist"

Many people don't want to call themselves that because of the stigma that religious folk have associated with it.

Agnostic and atheist are two very different things.

The latter claims to know with certainty that there is no god while the former admits one cannot know with certainty either way.

Not even close to true. I stand by what I said. Many atheists label themselves agnostic because they think that theists will treat them better if they shun the label. Being an atheist simply means you do not actively believe that a god exists. You either believe that a god is more likely than not to exist or vice versa.

Agnostic - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

Atheist - one who believes that there is no deity.

Pretty cut and dry, my friend.

Again. Not accurate.

Gnosticism is reflective of the knowability of something, theism is the active belief in a god.

You can be a gnostic or agnostic atheist and you can be a gnostic or agnostic theist. Most people who label themselves "agnostic" are also atheists -- they don't actively believe in a god.

The term "gnostic" literally means "to know." The term "agnostic" would be the opposite of "to know." "Gnosticism" does not quantify the "knowability" of anything, it remarks on a state of being: the state of knowing.

Again, simply being Agnostic does not condemn one to atheism. Atheism is the opposite of theism in that one claims to know god does not exist. An agnostic makes no claims on way or the other.

If you're taking the Dawkins approach of categorizing various levels of theism and atheism into degrees of certainty, I think you're missing the fifth position which is 50/50 Agnosticism -- there are equal odds god exists or does not exist. This is the agnosticism I'm referring to and is both literally and typically understood when one uses that term.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Robor
I have an aunt who visits a few times per year and each time she leaves she gives me something from that 'Daily Bread' publication. I'm agnostic. I don't deny the possibility of a supreme being but I don't deny the possibility there is none either. I simply don't know. Now my aunt knows this but continues to give me this religious propaganda. I know she means well but at the same time why can't she understand and accept I do not follow her chosen faith? I wonder what she would think if I gave her material from Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc? Those of faith often ask agnostics/atheists to keep an open mind yet they often practice their own religion as though it is the undeniable one and only truth. How can they deny all faiths but their own yet not accept the possibility they may be wrong?

If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means "a (not) - theist"

Many people don't want to call themselves that because of the stigma that religious folk have associated with it.

Agnostic and atheist are two very different things.

The latter claims to know with certainty that there is no god while the former admits one cannot know with certainty either way.

Not even close to true. I stand by what I said. Many atheists label themselves agnostic because they think that theists will treat them better if they shun the label. Being an atheist simply means you do not actively believe that a god exists. You either believe that a god is more likely than not to exist or vice versa.

Agnostic - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

Atheist - one who believes that there is no deity.

Pretty cut and dry, my friend.

Again. Not accurate.

Gnosticism is reflective of the knowability of something, theism is the active belief in a god.

You can be a gnostic or agnostic atheist and you can be a gnostic or agnostic theist. Most people who label themselves "agnostic" are also atheists -- they don't actively believe in a god.

The term "gnostic" literally means "to know." The term "agnostic" would be the opposite of "to know." "Gnosticism" does not quantify the "knowability" of anything, it remarks on a state of being: the state of knowing.

Again, simply being Agnostic does not condemn one to atheism. Atheism is the opposite of theism in that one claims to know god does not exist. An agnostic makes no claims on way or the other.

If you're taking the Dawkins approach of categorizing various levels of theism and atheism into degrees of certainty, I think you're missing the fifth position which is 50/50 Agnosticism -- there are equal odds god exists or does not exist. This is the agnosticism I'm referring to and is both literally and typically understood when one uses that term.

Again, I will simply repeat myself.

Atheism is the lack of an active belief in a god, no more, no less.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Robor
I have an aunt who visits a few times per year and each time she leaves she gives me something from that 'Daily Bread' publication. I'm agnostic. I don't deny the possibility of a supreme being but I don't deny the possibility there is none either. I simply don't know. Now my aunt knows this but continues to give me this religious propaganda. I know she means well but at the same time why can't she understand and accept I do not follow her chosen faith? I wonder what she would think if I gave her material from Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc? Those of faith often ask agnostics/atheists to keep an open mind yet they often practice their own religion as though it is the undeniable one and only truth. How can they deny all faiths but their own yet not accept the possibility they may be wrong?

If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means "a (not) - theist"

Many people don't want to call themselves that because of the stigma that religious folk have associated with it.

Agnostic and atheist are two very different things.

The latter claims to know with certainty that there is no god while the former admits one cannot know with certainty either way.

Not even close to true. I stand by what I said. Many atheists label themselves agnostic because they think that theists will treat them better if they shun the label. Being an atheist simply means you do not actively believe that a god exists. You either believe that a god is more likely than not to exist or vice versa.

Agnostic - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

Atheist - one who believes that there is no deity.

Pretty cut and dry, my friend.

Again. Not accurate.

Gnosticism is reflective of the knowability of something, theism is the active belief in a god.

You can be a gnostic or agnostic atheist and you can be a gnostic or agnostic theist. Most people who label themselves "agnostic" are also atheists -- they don't actively believe in a god.

The term "gnostic" literally means "to know." The term "agnostic" would be the opposite of "to know." "Gnosticism" does not quantify the "knowability" of anything, it remarks on a state of being: the state of knowing.

Again, simply being Agnostic does not condemn one to atheism. Atheism is the opposite of theism in that one claims to know god does not exist. An agnostic makes no claims on way or the other.

If you're taking the Dawkins approach of categorizing various levels of theism and atheism into degrees of certainty, I think you're missing the fifth position which is 50/50 Agnosticism -- there are equal odds god exists or does not exist. This is the agnosticism I'm referring to and is both literally and typically understood when one uses that term.

Again, I will simply repeat myself.

Atheism is the lack of an active belief in a god, no more, no less.

Asserting something repeatedly doesn't make it so and there is countless references backing up what I'm saying. A simple Google search will do.

You stated above:

"If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means 'a (not) - theist'"

Since an agnostic does not actively believe in god, you're claiming they are, in actuality, an atheist. This is clearly and categorically false.

If you can't grasp that then I don't know what to do for you.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Asserting something repeatedly doesn't make it so and there is countless references backing up what I'm saying. A simple Google search will do.

You stated above:

"If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means 'a (not) - theist'"

Since an agnostic does not actively believe in god, you're claiming they are, in actuality, an atheist. This is clearly and categorically false. why?

If you can't grasp that then I don't know what to do for you.

And you asserting the opposite doesn't make it more true. My definition is clear and concise and can be found alongside the common definition if you simply search google for define:atheist

It seems to me that the definition that actually describes what someone believes is the more reasonable one to use.

 

[hunewbie]

anyone craving for beef jerky? if so, what brand?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: hunewbie
anyone craving for beef jerky? if so, what brand?

venison jerky. ever had that? 2die4.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Asserting something repeatedly doesn't make it so and there is countless references backing up what I'm saying. A simple Google search will do.

You stated above:

"If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means 'a (not) - theist'"

Since an agnostic does not actively believe in god, you're claiming they are, in actuality, an atheist. This is clearly and categorically false. why?

If you can't grasp that then I don't know what to do for you.

And you asserting the opposite doesn't make it more true. My definition is clear and concise and can be found alongside the common definition if you simply search google for define:atheist

It seems to me that the definition that actually describes what someone believes is the more reasonable one to use.

OK, let's look at the beliefs of these three terms: theist, agnostic, atheist.

Theist - believes there is a deity.
Agnostic - neither believes there is or is not a deity or believes it is not possible to know either way with certainty.
Atheist - believes there is not a deity.

Agnostic does not equal Atheist nor is it a milder form of atheism. Simply not having a belief about the existence of a deity does not mean one DISBELIEVES in a deity.

I think you're categorizing these terms based on their actions (actively believing in or supporting a diety vs. not doing so) when a clear middle ground exists that is exclusive to either side: agnosticism.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Asserting something repeatedly doesn't make it so and there is countless references backing up what I'm saying. A simple Google search will do.

You stated above:

"If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means 'a (not) - theist'"

Since an agnostic does not actively believe in god, you're claiming they are, in actuality, an atheist. This is clearly and categorically false. why?

If you can't grasp that then I don't know what to do for you.

And you asserting the opposite doesn't make it more true. My definition is clear and concise and can be found alongside the common definition if you simply search google for define:atheist

It seems to me that the definition that actually describes what someone believes is the more reasonable one to use.

OK, let's look at the beliefs of these three terms: theist, agnostic, atheist.

Theist - believes there is a deity.
Agnostic - neither believes there is or is not a deity or believes it is not possible to know either way with certainty.
Atheist - believes there is not a deity.

Agnostic does not equal Atheist nor is it a milder form of atheism. Simply not having a belief about the existence of a deity does not mean one DISBELIEVES in a deity.

I think you're categorizing these terms based on their actions (actively believing in or supporting a diety vs. not doing so) when a clear middle ground exists that is exclusive to either side: agnosticism.

Again, you're just defining "I think there's a 50/50 shot" as agnosticism. That isn't descriptive of what someone believes. Again.

That's not a useful definition. Gnostic refers to knowability, theist refers to active belief. Just because you want to define all atheists as people who would say that "god doesn't exist is a proven fact" doesn't make that reasonable. You either think it's possible to prove a negative or not, and you either actively believe in a god or not. An agnostic atheist would meet your definition of "atheist" but there are many atheists who would not accept that definition, and most theists would consider themselves gnostic. An agnostic theist would likely call themselves "spiritual" and an agnostic atheist would likely call themselves "agnostic" In the colloquial sense, but that doesn't make it accurate. There is no middle ground. You either do, or don't believe in a god and you either claim it's knowable or not.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: child of wonder


OK, let's look at the beliefs of these three terms: theist, agnostic, atheist.

Theist - believes there is a deity.
Agnostic - neither believes there is or is not a deity or believes it is not possible to know either way with certainty.
Atheist - believes there is not a deity.

Agnostic does not equal Atheist nor is it a milder form of atheism. Simply not having a belief about the existence of a deity does not mean one DISBELIEVES in a deity.

I think you're categorizing these terms based on their actions (actively believing in or supporting a diety vs. not doing so) when a clear middle ground exists that is exclusive to either side: agnosticism.

There are two dichotomies: Gnostic/Agnostic, and Theist/Atheist. Agnosticism isn't "in between" theism and atheism. Agnosticism is a position on an entirely different, orthogonal dichotomy.

There are, therefore, agnostic theists, gnostic theists, agnostic atheists, and gnostic atheists.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Aunt: So does it bother you that your GF is jewish?

Me: No. I don't care for religion anymore. I believe in a god though.

Aunt: Do you pray to Jesus?

Me: No

Aunt: Yeah your GF changed you, you used to play guitar at church.

Me: Yeah for the live experience and cute girls. If anything, the lunatics at that church helped push me away from religion.

Dad: *jokingly* He's atheist. (Even though he's joking, I have a good feeling he thinks that way)

Aunt: You do know you and your girlfriend are going to hell right?

Me: So you are saying if we both live honorable and selfless lives, god won't accept us because we don't follow YOUR religion?

Mom: If you don't believe the bible, you guys are going to hell. Please don't scare me like this.

Me: I give up. You both call yourselves Christains, but you have no problem cussing and spewing hate towards others that don't share the same view as you. If there is a heaven, you guys surely would be last in line....... if you are even in it to begin with.



This is one of the many encounters I have to deal with when the subject of religion creeps up around my family. It absolutely amazes me how some of these bible thumpers consider themselves "good people" when all they do is judge and throw out hate upon others that don't share the same religious views as them.

I think religion needs to go. Religion as a whole holds back the progress of mankind and will continue to do so until people grow out of it.

I think you have grounds to file for emancipation. But if you're already 18 you should just be telling them to fuck off. And jews give good keppe.

Originally posted by: So
There is no middle ground. You either do, or don't believe in a god and you either claim it's knowable or not.

What if I believe that it cannot be determined whether or not I believe in god, am I then an agnostic agnostic?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Agnostic does not equal Atheist nor is it a milder form of atheism. Simply not having a belief about the existence of a deity does not mean one DISBELIEVES in a deity.

I think you're categorizing these terms based on their actions (actively believing in or supporting a diety vs. not doing so) when a clear middle ground exists that is exclusive to either side: agnosticism.

The problem with agnostic being an in between state between theists and atheists is that it attempts to define atheists as actively not doing something. That is plainly impossible. You can actively do something, but you can not actively NOT do something. Belief is a positive state, its opposite is not anti-belief, that is a contradiction, it is the lack of belief.
Almost all Atheists actually say that they do not believe in god because they see no compelling evidence to believe in god. That means, by default, that if they do see compelling evidence to believe in god they will change their minds. Which is what you are trying to claim is the definition of agnostic.

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Some people where my dad worked were genuinely worried about me, since I've never been baptized. But, rather than do anything to save me from an eternity of suffering, they just let it go.

What should they have done? Guerilla baptisms? Cause, even though I?m an atheist I would be completely down for that. We could get a fire truck and bless the water and baptize entire city blocks. Hell, we could get a C-130 and baptize a good part of the Middle East. Now, that would be comic genius.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: hunewbie
anyone craving for beef jerky? if so, what brand?

venison jerky. ever had that? 2die4.

God I love it when you talk meat

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: hunewbie
anyone craving for beef jerky? if so, what brand?

venison jerky. ever had that? 2die4.

Making some this weekend !

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Some people where my dad worked were genuinely worried about me, since I've never been baptized. But, rather than do anything to save me from an eternity of suffering, they just let it go.

What should they have done? Guerilla baptisms? Cause, even though I?m an atheist I would be completely down for that. We could get a fire truck and bless the water and baptize entire city blocks. Hell, we could get a C-130 and baptize a good part of the Middle East. Now, that would be comic genius.

Don't know, if you truly believed that someone was going to condemn their own children to eternal pain and suffering, don't you think you should at least call the police or something? Isn't that child abuse?
Instead, it seems like it gets blown off as, "Oh well, your kids are going to hell, nyah nyah nyah! So, what're you doing for lunch today?" Like they just realize that it's all really a bunch of childish nonsense, but it's something they can't seem to let go, like someone who just can't give up smoking.




"Congrats, you all just got baptized as Christians! Haha!"

 

[JakwoW]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Asserting something repeatedly doesn't make it so and there is countless references backing up what I'm saying. A simple Google search will do.

You stated above:

"If you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist. That's all the word means 'a (not) - theist'"

Since an agnostic does not actively believe in god, you're claiming they are, in actuality, an atheist. This is clearly and categorically false. why?

If you can't grasp that then I don't know what to do for you.

And you asserting the opposite doesn't make it more true. My definition is clear and concise and can be found alongside the common definition if you simply search google for define:atheist

It seems to me that the definition that actually describes what someone believes is the more reasonable one to use.

OK, let's look at the beliefs of these three terms: theist, agnostic, atheist.

Theist - believes there is a deity.
Agnostic - neither believes there is or is not a deity or believes it is not possible to know either way with certainty.
Atheist - believes there is not a deity.

Agnostic does not equal Atheist nor is it a milder form of atheism. Simply not having a belief about the existence of a deity does not mean one DISBELIEVES in a deity.

I think you're categorizing these terms based on their actions (actively believing in or supporting a diety vs. not doing so) when a clear middle ground exists that is exclusive to either side: agnosticism.

Again, you're just defining "I think there's a 50/50 shot" as agnosticism. That isn't descriptive of what someone believes. Again.

That's not a useful definition. Gnostic refers to knowability, theist refers to active belief. Just because you want to define all atheists as people who would say that "god doesn't exist is a proven fact" doesn't make that reasonable. You either think it's possible to prove a negative or not, and you either actively believe in a god or not. An agnostic atheist would meet your definition of "atheist" but there are many atheists who would not accept that definition, and most theists would consider themselves gnostic. An agnostic theist would likely call themselves "spiritual" and an agnostic atheist would likely call themselves "agnostic" In the colloquial sense, but that doesn't make it accurate. There is no middle ground. You either do, or don't believe in a god and you either claim it's knowable or not.

I have to agree with So here. I've always considered myself an atheist under So's definition. . . and I will continue to do so. I know people have different opinions of what it means to be an atheist, but I'm going off the literal meaning, which describes my beliefs best.

 

[hunewbie]

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: hunewbie
anyone craving for beef jerky? if so, what brand?

venison jerky. ever had that? 2die4.

God I love it when you talk meat

link please?

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
It's like in the back of their minds, they knew that Hell was a silly, imagined thing, a place you tell little kids about so that they'll shut up and go brush their teeth, because God sends kids to Hell if they don't brush their teeth. Jesus brushed his teeth, right?

:laugh: Well said. Personally, I just try to avoid conversations like the OP's, at all costs. If I'm not willing to try to convince someone of how stupid their beliefs are, why waste time and energy making them mad at me?

The thing is, unless someone is really acting on their beliefs in a harmful way, then who cares? Religion makes absolutely zero difference for anyone, in any way-- unless it's acted upon, of course. If someone's basically a good, helpful person, then their religion certainly isn't going to change that. So whatever. Let 'em believe what they want to, and I'll say what they want to hear so we can move on to interesting topics of conversation.

 

[SirStev0]

Sucky situation. Regardless of your beliefs that Aunt's statements are absurd.

 

[Aikouka]

Religion is a double-edged sword... and a really fucking big one. Hell, it's like a damn double-edged claymore. I think religion can promote a lot of good in people and can actually be a great moral compass in such a society providing the religion promotes socially-beneficial ideals.

But now the issue is that religion tends to make people believe because it focuses around something that we can't really ever ascertain... mortality and what happens when it's gone. Religion tends to instill a belief into people to help them understand what supposedly happens when they leave the mortal coil and to help soothe people and give them hope... well, it becomes pretty big with them. They tend to care about it... a lot. With that, they become very fervent about their religion and that's where you run into issues of zealotry.

Now, the first point I made can also be a negative aspect of religion as well. Someone can instill beliefs contra to the social norm and then religion is used as a negative tool.

But for myself personally... I'm not religious although I did attend services when I was younger (or rather, my father made me go... which trust me, tends to make them never want to go). I don't really have an opinion right now on God existing or not, but I usually look at my first point. If it can help some people live a good life (and I can honestly say that I know some good people from the church that I used to attend), then I don't think it can be the worst thing ever.

Now women... they tend to be the center of conflict and we males have proven mathematically that they are quite certainly the root of all evil. Hmmm .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

I really like That you want to know the WORD but you have been blinded by that what you defend. You have no better chance at redemption than an athiest. You wish to share the WORD of love yet you ignor them . I say this to you. A none believer here who lives in the manner which Christ taught. Without knowing Him is closer to God than you will ever become.

You take exact scripture print it as a trueth as to how you see it and say this is whats required, Than you tell them to go to church on sunday. HAY! WAKE UP ! Were in the Gosphels of Christ Did He say to change the Sabbath . You tell people to go to church meaning building . When Church means a gathering of 2 or more in Christ Name,

Why would you tell people to pray in public. I won't use exact scripture . But Jesus spoke on prayer. He said If you pray in public and someone sees. They say to themselves that man is holy. I say to you that man has recieved His reward threw the witnessess worship of him. But if a man prays in solatude he shall be reward by the Father.

Than You take these words here.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

Than you follow the teachings of Saul /Paul Who Self profecss . That He came to the word threw the spitit.

Please stop with false teaching. You can't help anyone here. You can only cause harm.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

I really like That you want to know the WORD but you have been blinded by that what you defend. You have no better chance at redemption than an athiest. You wish to share the WORD of love yet you ignor them . I say this to you. Ay none believer here who lives in the manner which Christ taught. Without knowing Him is closer to God than you will ever become.

You take exact scripture print it as a trueth as to how you see it and say this is whats required, Than you tell them to go to church on sunday. HAY! WAKE UP ! Were in the Gosphels of Christ Did He say to change the Sabbath . You tell people to go to church meaning building . When Church means a gathering of to or more in Christ Name,

Why would you tell people to pray in public. I won't use exact scripture . But Jesus spoke on prayer. He said If you pray in public and someone sees. They say to themselves that man is holy. I say to you that man has recieved His reward threw the witnessess worship of him. But if a man prays in solatude he shall be reward by the Father.

Than You take these words here.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

Than you follow the teachings of Saul /Paul Who Self profecss . That He came to the word threw the spitit.

Please stop with false teaching. You can't help anyone here. You can only cause harm.

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I'd like to nominate nemesis1 for the title of best sock puppet ever. The perfectly placed misspellings, impenetrable illogic, and rambling structure is too perfect.

I await the day when we find out who is behind this guy, because while trolling is reprehensible, this is some of the most perfect (and deadpan) work I've ever seen.

 

[OCGuy]

These freaks scare the shit out of me.



Just goes to show that if you start in young enough, you can convince people of anything. The human mind is extremely weak.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I say this to you. A none believer here who lives in the manner which Christ taught. Without knowing Him is closer to God than you will ever become.

Bravo, Nemesis1, but don't you also forget that God is his God too.

Cheers.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Sasiki

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Sasiki
Hell isn't talked about much anymore because it's 'uncool' and a terrible and dreadful thing to think about. The fact of the matter is though, Hell is very real. If one does profess his/her sins to Jesus Christ and accept him as their saviour, they will go to Hell, simple as that. John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

I personally do not wish anyone to Hell, a place of darkness, despair, hate, loneliness. Please, stop by a Church at least one Sunday morning for service. You have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.

What about all those people born before Jesus and Christanity existed? Do they go to hell simply because there was no way for them to know Christ's message?

Life is a lonely, full of hate and despair. I guess we are already in hell.

That is untrue. My Christian way of life is full of happiness, fullness, hope, and all things that are good in the world. It is the way I choose to live and feel that it makes me a better person because of it.

Your life is lonely, full of hate and despair, because that is the way you choose it to be.

As crazy as you sound, I agree with the last part
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Pure christian smoke and mirrors. Tell everyone how happy you will be when you accept brainwashing. My life is quite fantastic thank you, i gaurantee i enjoy life more than your diluted christain soul. Being a christian is like taking your spirit and giving it a labodomy. You can't handle the bad so you throw out the extremes altogether.

To understand why Christianity has been so effective is pretty simple. Religion is a tool of evolution. We have complicated brains which require shortcuts when dealing with complicated ideas. Otherwise our ancestors would have spent all day contemplating death when they only had time for survival. As technology has advanced, so have our religions. They have become more vague as logic and education disprove any concrete claims that are blatantly wrong. Ideas like a flat world held up on the back of a god are hard to keep up when you can see pictures of a spherical earth from space. But an invisible omnipresent, omniscient god who is sometimes evil and sometimes nice and hasn't shown himself in thousands of years is much harder to disprove. Like all good fiction it is based on enough truth to give it substance. With thousands of years of history backing it and most of the world dominated under it, it is easy to see how ingrained Christianity is in so many of us. We have literally evolved(though only for a relatively short time) into Christians. Those that weren't inclined to join were murdered/ enslaved/killed by diseases. Though they obviously didn't realize it, these Christians were changing the meaning of survival of the fittest.

I didn't agree with it as a personal direction, simply as a philosophical statement. remove the context of blah blah religion, it's some good wisdom.

Take it or leave it, but it's the kind of thing you see in a fortune cookie. And I'd wager dollars to donuts you'd put a lot more stock in it if you read it on a thin slip of sweatshop-pressed paper.