Religious Question: Why did God create bad people?

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Dude, after Adam took the apple, all of us are 'bad', none are perfect in the eyes of God. Only through salvation by the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ can we be redeemed. That is the poison of free will, but the good news is, that we're not doomed. This is what gives life hope.

 

Piano Man

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Because there is no God. Plus, if everyone was good all of the time, it would be like "A Brave New World"
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because he needed someone to worship him!



Everything has to exist in a balance, God - Satan, heaven - hell, good - evil.

No, there doesn't have to be a balance. If that were the case, then how did God exist before he created everything, including good and evil, light and dark, sin, you, etc.??
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Piano Man
Because there is no God. Plus, if everyone was good all of the time, it would be like "A Brave New World"

So you know for sure that there is no God? How can that be? If you had that knowledge, it would require you to be omnipotent - it would require you to be the very being that you insist does not exist.

So... you wouldn't exist if you knew for sure that God didn't exist.
 

Beau

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because he needed someone to worship him!



Everything has to exist in a balance, God - Satan, heaven - hell, good - evil.

No, there doesn't have to be a balance. If that were the case, then how did God exist before he created everything, including good and evil, light and dark, sin, you, etc.??

That's in your belief system, not mine
 

Placer14

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because he needed someone to worship him!



Everything has to exist in a balance, God - Satan, heaven - hell, good - evil.

No, there doesn't have to be a balance. If that were the case, then how did God exist before he created everything, including good and evil, light and dark, sin, you, etc.??

That's in your belief system, not mine

Werd...until you posted that, I forgot to think outside the box. People all too often forget there's more than just waht they think.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Placer14
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because he needed someone to worship him!



Everything has to exist in a balance, God - Satan, heaven - hell, good - evil.

No, there doesn't have to be a balance. If that were the case, then how did God exist before he created everything, including good and evil, light and dark, sin, you, etc.??

That's in your belief system, not mine

Werd...until you posted that, I forgot to think outside the box. People all too often forget there's more than just waht they think.

Well, he said that there always has to be balance, and gave religious references. So I gave religious logic for his religious references on balance.

Thinking outside the box, nothing is required -not even balance.
 

Beau

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Placer14
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because he needed someone to worship him!



Everything has to exist in a balance, God - Satan, heaven - hell, good - evil.

No, there doesn't have to be a balance. If that were the case, then how did God exist before he created everything, including good and evil, light and dark, sin, you, etc.??

That's in your belief system, not mine

Werd...until you posted that, I forgot to think outside the box. People all too often forget there's more than just waht they think.

Well, he said that there always has to be balance, and gave religious references. So I gave religious logic for his religious references on balance.

Thinking outside the box, nothing is required -not even balance.

So I can't have the same characters in my belief system as you do in yours without adopting the whole religion?

Personally, I have a mixed belief -- some christian beliefs, some buddhist. It is my belief that there is always balance in everything -- if there wasn't, the universe would be unstable and would cease to exist. Heh... i don't really want to get into it too deeply and get myself labeled even more of a FreAk than I am already, and I don't want it to seem like I'm preaching.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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You can do anything you want. But I'm just coming from the standpoint of the Christian religion that says that if you're going to believe Christianity, then you have to believe that all other religions are wrong.

*shrug*

it's all good, beau
 

FacelessNobody

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Without evil, good can't exist, without good, evil can't exist. Two sides of the same coin--a yin and yang. They can't exist without each other, and a piece of one's opposite lies within itself. I am not religious.
 

miniMUNCH

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Originally posted by: glen
Free Will

It's pretty self evident, I think...Free Will. We all make our own decisions.

To take it one step further...if God is a god of love (which I personally think one would have to be to create sentient beings), real love that is selfless and giving, then that rules compulsion (i.e. we were 'designed to only do good) out of the equation. Love does not compell or place limitations. I also believe that love can only be freely given...any other affection or favorable action(s) that are compelled is not love, but ensalvement for one's self-satisfaction...a God who practiced such would be a 'monster' (in the Greek mythology sense) in my opinion.

 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: FacelessNobody
Without evil, good can't exist, without good, evil can't exist. Two sides of the same coin--a yin and yang. They can't exist without each other, and a piece of one's opposite lies within itself. I am not religious.

The yin and the yang is not just two sides of a coin. The Yin and the Yang say that in every good thing, there is a bit of evil (hense the dot) and in every evil thing, there is a bit of good (hense the dot). That's the whole point of the Yin/Yang.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Desslok
Originally posted by: odz
I realize that people have free will, however God knows everything, so he must have known that these people would choose to do wrong. SO why did he create them in the forst place if he knew they were going to hell?

Yes he does know that people will do evil things. He created us in his own image and then gave us free will because he wanted us to be able to CHOOSE to believe in him. He did not want a bunch of zombies that did everything w/o question.

free will? what about mental sickness? some criminals are more or less normal, but many aren't.

and well...for the same reason we have natural disasters that kill good people, and horrible deseases throughout human history. nothing to do with free will
 

vtqanh

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Originally posted by: odz
God is omnipotent, so why did he create people that he knew were going to hell? Why not just create a bunch of good people and be done with it? Why did he create people at all?

because he's not perfect. He tried his best. Stop complaining.
 

odz

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Originally posted by: ed21x
Are you seriously interested in an explanation, or is the purpose of this question to bash on/ antagonize christians? If it's the latter, please don't waste our time.

No I am definately not bashing Christians, since I am one.

 

MainFramed

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he doesnt create them

people are given choices, its up to them to choose the " right choice"
 

Geekbabe

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people are a mix of both good and bad traits by nature,some of em just chose to show one side of the equation a little more than others, no God invovled or needed
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: gump47371
Originally posted by: MinorityReport
Originally posted by: odz
God is omnipotent, so why did he create people that he knew were going to hell? Why not just create a bunch of good people and be done with it? Why did he create people at all?

Can you please modify the question to " Biblical Religions only ? "


And if you care to get a good answer to this question. Look into NON biblical religions. They explain this with less bigotry. Buddhism and Hinduism for a start ?

If you look at Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc., yes you will find a difference. All of their "God"s are dead. Ours is still alive, so how do you explain that?

On a different note, check this out. Hmm, Christians are crazy??

Don't say that around Vishnu, she'll chop your nuts off....with all 6 of her arms :Q :Q :Q

Chiz
 

Dragnov

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Non-Religious Question: When will athiests/agonostics stop making these threads trying to attack religious people?

I mean, the major complaint that the non-religious have is that religious people keep bothering them and trying to preach to them. Yet it seems the other way around, where atheists/agnostics are the ones constantly promoting there is no God and attacking the beliefs of others.
 

Placer14

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Originally posted by: odz
Originally posted by: ed21x
Are you seriously interested in an explanation, or is the purpose of this question to bash on/ antagonize christians? If it's the latter, please don't waste our time.

No I am definately not bashing Christians, since I am one.

Like i said before, you're proabbly better off talking to your pastor/priest/bishop/elder or wahtever to asnwer that instead of getting people upset here. You will NOT get a good answer from most of the people who would take the time to answer, thusly I honestly doubt the sincereity in your quest to know the truth and are really just out to upset people. (Like myself) :| If you truely wanted to know, you would've known who to go to in the first place assuming you are christian as you say you are. A christian would not question this on a platform such as an online forum. :|:|:|:|
 

Moonbeam

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God is omnipotent..... So could he make himself move if he tried to resist it. I think the problem is that when you catch a big fish like God and he gets away, you tend to exaggerate how big he was. Omnipotent contains within it, the notion of absurdity, and as soon as you attribute that quality to God you make Him absurd too. If God is perfect, you get into the same mess. How can perfection admit evil. How can you have free will to choose evil if there is only God, only perfection. Everything is perfection. There is no evil to choose. If there is no evil then people can't be evil. If people can't be evil then what's the problem. Who are you to judge anybody. Where did this evil trip come form. It is a delusion, a bum rap. There is no sin and you were never guilty of anything. There is only perfection. That's why you're forgiven. You screwed up and believed a lie.
 
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