How do you think African Americans become US Citizens?Ok help convince me I’m wrong, why wouldn’t it be a good idea?
Ridiculous false equivalence. You're not the oppressed here, you're the would-be oppressor.Said whites to blacks in the 60s. Solid arguement Vic.
Why do you want to make America into being like Iran and North Korea?Below is a map of countries that have birthright citizenship. All those countries in South America (and Pakistan!) are free as a bird. And look at Europe, Australia, and Japan. Such an unfree backward folk they are.
Democrats don’t seem to have made a solid counter arguement. Many see the D's as not simply being against the wall, but against border security and enforcement in general and are left scratching their head why? The caravan for instance. The right certain used it to stoke fears in the their base, but it should seem like a no-brainer non confrontational thing that we can’t just let 10k people stroll across the border. Instead reading through here and elsewhere the picture is painted that if you want to stop them you’re racist, have no empathy, etc.
This is the reason why the neo-Confederates, et al hate the 14th amendment. 149 years later and they still haven't forgotten.How do you think African Americans become US Citizens?
Ugly is a spreader of alt-right disinformation. Yaknow, the kind of troll that would have you believe he would have voted for Bernie if only Hillary hadn't "stolen" the nomination. Likewise, the only people who actually believe that Democrats really want wide-open borders are the ones who still believe Fox News, Infowars, and Trump's tweets.Border security and enforcement has been a major component of every immigration compromise crafted by Democrats for at least a decade. It's the conservatives who won't take yes for an answer because they want to give nothing and drastically reduce legal immigration in a bid to maintain demographic relevance plus no small amount of racism.
Life dies in a stagnant environment. Diversity breeds a better culture, it always has, and it always will.Ok help convince me I’m wrong, why wouldn’t it be a good idea?
Okay Mister "Concerned about data and evidence," the US birthrate is already too low:Ok help convince me I’m wrong, why wouldn’t it be a good idea?
Ok help convince me I’m wrong, why wouldn’t it be a good idea?
Excuse me, but those suggesting such a radical change need to justify it, not vice-versa.
But we aren't. Not by Language:He is the one questioning my position and made the statement that anyone who thinks about it even a little bit would know it’s a bad idea. Implying there is this readily evident reason, if that’s the case go on and state it.
Reason he gave : we need more diversity. We are the most diverse nation on earth, I don’t think that is something we need to worry about. Sounds good though.
If that's what you think then you clearly haven't been paying attention for the last decade.
The Democrats, like you, want border security and believe a wall is a stupid way to achieve that. The Democrats, like you, support mandatory e-verify with stiff penalties for violators. Democrats, like you, support using technology to secure our borders.
As for repealing the fourteenth amendment, good luck. I happen to think inbreeding and a lack of diversity is a recipe for disaster and completely goes against what this country has stood for for well over 200 years.
I wish I could say that I'm surprised you aren't aware of these things.
They thought it was a great way in 2006
It’s also worth noting that the political context surrounding the 2006 vote was different, too.
Democrats normally in favor of looser immigration laws saw the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as the lesser of two evils, according to a Boston Globe report that detailed the legislative process. Around that same time, the House passed legislation that would make any undocumented immigrant a felon.
"“The bill before us will certainly do some good,” Obama said on the Senate floor in October 2006. He praised the legislation, saying it would provide “better fences and better security along our borders” and would “help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country.” ~Barack Obama
"“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in,” Clinton said at November 2015 town hall in New Hampshire, “and I do think that you have to control your borders.” ~Hillary Clinton
"" I don't oppose building a fence where you need to do it where the border is poorest. I just don't have a problem with that," Boxer said. ~Barbara Boxer
"Democrats are solidly behind controlling the border, and we support the border fence.” ~
Diana Feinstein
Yep. They sure did. They were for keeping potential illegal immigrants out before they were for it.
He is the one questioning my position and made the statement that anyone who thinks about it even a little bit would know it’s a bad idea. Implying there is this readily evident reason, if that’s the case go on and state it.
Reason he gave : we need more diversity. We are the most diverse nation on earth, I don’t think that is something we need to worry about. Sounds good though.
He got the idea from Fox & Friends.There's a Go Fund Me page set up for the wall for Trumpsters. If every one who voted for him pay just the low, low price of $80, they can build the wall themselves!
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
So it's gone from "Mexico will pay for it!" to "we will happily give you our money".. they seem to be under the impression that $5 billion is what it will actually cost. They're just over a million.
Hey...If they build half a wall, will it be a full-height wall which only goes half the distance, or is it a half-height wall which spans the whole distance?
EDIT: If the wall never gets built, does he get to keep the money?..Just asking for a friend..
The Wall, it's paid for by Mexico(indirectly)!
No wonder he needed the better part of a half a billion dollars to become wealthy.
I’m against the wall from a cost/benefit perspective and I don’t think a wall which is easily defeatable is the best method to secure the borders, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want the borders secured. I want to see the end of birthright citizenship, an e-verification system that is easy, works, and has teeth (extremely costly fines and possible loss of business license for hiring an illegal), money for tech at the border (system of drones for instance to watch for people trying to sneak across), etc.
Democrats don’t seem to have made a solid counter arguement. Many see the D's as not simply being against the wall, but against border security and enforcement in general and are left scratching their head why? The caravan for instance. The right certain used it to stoke fears in the their base, but it should seem like a no-brainer non confrontational thing that we can’t just let 10k people stroll across the border. Instead reading through here and elsewhere the picture is painted that if you want to stop them you’re racist, have no empathy, etc.
Can any one of the wall supporters tell me what, specifically, the wall is targeting? Why do we need a wall and not other methods that actually accomplish something? The wall doesn't stop drug smuggling, it doesn't address the overwhelming majority of illegals. What is the purpose of it anyway when so much more could be done for so much less that would actually have an impact?