The wall mainly targets wildlife. The wall will drive the U.S. jaguar population to extinction and likely drive the U.S. populations of ocelot and jaguarundi to extinction as well. Cat habitat straddles the border and preventing the U.S. cats from moving freely across the border will wipe them out. People will just find another way in.Can any one of the wall supporters tell me what, specifically, the wall is targeting? Why do we need a wall and not other methods that actually accomplish something? The wall doesn't stop drug smuggling, it doesn't address the overwhelming majority of illegals. What is the purpose of it anyway when so much more could be done for so much less that would actually have an impact?
Trump just gave federal workers Christmas Eve off as a paid holiday. If the shutdown happens then many of these workers will have to show up on Christmas Eve to shut things down in an orderly manner. Precedent suggests that federal workers will eventually get paid their normal wages for time worked during the shutdown. The upshot seems to be that any workers called in on Christmas Eve will get double time due to the confluence of Trump’s impromptu holiday and Trump’s shutdown. Winning!
The wall mainly targets wildlife. The wall will drive the U.S. jaguar population to extinction and likely drive the U.S. populations of ocelot and jaguarundi to extinction as well. Cat habitat straddles the border and preventing the U.S. cats from moving freely across the border will wipe them out. People will just find another way in.
The reason for birthright citizenship is because America is a free country. As such, every person born on American soil is guaranteed their right to freedom through citizenship.
Now why do you suppose anyone would be against that?
Congress should just pass the basic bill then go home. If the government shuts down, it isn't on Dems, it isn't even on the GoP in general, it will be on the sole individual holding it up.I wonder if anybody has told him that much of the Senate has gone home. I think either the house passes the Senate approved CR and he signed or the gov will shut down (at least) until the Dems take over in January.
Apparently Trump has become irritated by the (accurate) coverage of him caving on his wall demands and has told the house that he probably won't sign the CR without wall money. Trouble is that the Senate has already voted on the CR, there is insufficient R votes in the House for wall money (lots of defeated Rs not showing up for votes), and the Dems are in absolutely no mood to negotiate at all since Trump has pre taken the blame and they can move a clean CR in January.
The Incompetence Express is boarding to Fuckedtown.
Can any one of the wall supporters tell me what, specifically, the wall is targeting? Why do we need a wall and not other methods that actually accomplish something? The wall doesn't stop drug smuggling, it doesn't address the overwhelming majority of illegals. What is the purpose of it anyway when so much more could be done for so much less that would actually have an impact?
Congress should just pass the basic bill then go home. If the government shuts down, it isn't on Dems, it isn't even on the GoP in general, it will be on the sole individual holding it up.
You are so on a waxing poetically roll todayHonestly, I'm not a big fan of birthright citizenship, either. Most developed, progressive, successful countries require all "birth-citizens" to apply for legal citizenship at age. And when you think about it, there are a lot of "born patriots" in this country that are the absolute worst versions of Americans: All of those Bundy assholes, for one: I'd rather a single Jamal Kashoggi--you know, the type of person who understands and appreciates American values and prefers them over others, based on actual lived experience--than 100 Cliven Bundy dickscarf leeches that wouldn't understand America if a bald eagle crawled up their asses and planted an American flag on the inside of their rectums.
House Majority Whip Steve Scalise tells reporters that Republicans are working to add wall funding to the stop-gap spending bill.
“We’re going to move forward today to add language to the bill that the Senate sent over on government funding to add $5 billion to the wall as well as the disaster relief funding that’s been agreed upon between the House and Senate," he said.
The timeline: This could be voted on today.
But a key thing to remember: It is uncertain it will pass the House, and it has no chance in the Senate. The question is what do they do after it fails. Republican leaders aren’t sure yet.
Asked what happens if this bill for wall money fails in the Senate, Rep. Mark Meadows said: “I don’t know — I’m not in the Senate.”
As of about 20 minutes ago, the GOP is fighting to add wall funding to the bill, but they're having problems because so many members are absent:
If would be funny if Chuck and Nancy put the original deal they made on live TV back on the table. It included wall funding along with path to citizenship for dreamers.
We may be past that point. Let Trump stew in his own bile.
That ship definitively sailed on November 8th. Trump may indeed ask for it but even if they wanted to the Dems would not and can not deliver that now. I also should note that the wall is very unpopular with the parts of the electorate that swept the Dems to their huge win. It has no constituency outside Trump's core base.
You mean like those government land free loaders?Not to mention the Trump supporters that happen to find themselves living on the proposed wall territory....
It is a complete non-starter. The Dems will never go for it, and they don't have enough votes in either house to do it with out them. If Trump doesn't back down again I imagine the government is getting the Trump Shutdown.
I'm not sure I'd want to withhold paychecks over Christmas from the guys who are supposed to take bullets for me.