Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[K1052]

If he can spin one up out of one continuous piece of flawless graphine I might go along because I want that. By the time technology permits that though I suspect Trump won't be asking for a wall.

Well he did propose the Solar Wall...

 

[ch33zw1z]

How about you find a mashup of all the conservatives saying Democrats want open borders since you're so concerned about appearing independent.

Here's just one of his boy slamming those dirty Dems who utilize MS13 as their personal police force, or something .... Oh yeah, dont forget blaming the "weak on immigration" Obama for the child in cages pictures.

 

[K1052]

Trump has been talking again today about declaring a national emergency to just do what he wants.

Patiently waiting for everyone who called Obama a tyrant to condemn this.

 

[Stokely]

I'm a fiscal conservative, if that means that I don't want to waste money if it can be avoided.

This shutdown, going by the last one that lasted 21 days, is going to cost us many times the cost of the wall.

1. If there was actually a "crisis at the border" (other than us fucking up handling asylum seekers) then I might consider a solution. There isn't. It's made-up fear-mongering.

2. If I'm listening to a solution, it should actually work. A fucking unattended wall doesn't. And if it's guarded, you don't need a wall. What kind of fucking moron disputes this?

If the dems cave they can fuck themselves.

 

[ivwshane]

Nice compilation vid

https://twitter.com/x/status/1081676734058000384

-Hillary: Supported border wall
-Obama: More border security, illegals must speak English, go to back of line
-Schumer: Border walls work
-Reid: Offering benefits to illegals = insane
-Feinstein: US can't be Mexico's welfare
-Clinton: Illegal immigration is wrong

I love when you post out of context shit! It shows just how fucking gullible you are!


Anyone want to remind this fucking idiot what office Hillary, Obama, and Reid currently hold? Perhaps one of you kind people can explain to this stupid fuck that democrats aren't and have never been against border security? Anyone willing to waste more time with this piece of shit concerned troll and show him how only one party, in recent history, has actually passed immigration reform and border security improvements? Perhaps while you are at it you could point out to the mouth breathing parrot obamas accomplishments with regards to record breaking amount deportations.

Nah, let's let him keep making a fucking ass out of himself.

 

[feralkid]

Irregardless

That's where you lost the argument, irrespective of any further statements.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I'm a fiscal conservative, if that means that I don't want to waste money if it can be avoided.

This shutdown, going by the last one that lasted 21 days, is going to cost us many times the cost of the wall.

1. If there was actually a "crisis at the border" (other than us fucking up handling asylum seekers) then I might consider a solution. There isn't. It's made-up fear-mongering.

2. If I'm listening to a solution, it should actually work. A fucking unattended wall doesn't. And if it's guarded, you don't need a wall. What kind of fucking moron disputes this?

If the dems cave they can fuck themselves.

I agree with you but this battle and the reason they don’t want it built isn’t because they see it as a waste of money.

 

[Jhhnn]

I agree with you but this battle and the reason they don’t want it built isn’t because they see it as a waste of money.

We already have enough monuments to white people's stupidity in the form of statues of confederate heroes.

 

[ivwshane]

I agree with you but this battle and the reason they don’t want it built isn’t because they see it as a waste of money.

Oh do tell, Democrat whisperer.

 

[UglyCasanova]

It’s been discussed over and over and over in this thread. It’s symbolic of basically Trumps victory in 2016. This was a key campaign promise. Trump wants it because of that, he sees it as the biggest unfulfilled campaign promise. A win to cap the presidential win. Nancy, Chuck, and Co oppose it for that same reason. As was mentioned earlier the shutdown has already cost more than that. There are very few if any true fiscally responsible people in DC that truly care about government spending, so not believable that here and now is when all of the sudden the left has started worrying about gov spending. It’s symbolic for each side, and that’s the reason neither side will give.

 

[JSt0rm]

So the plan all along was to make America so shitty that Mexico would have to build a wall to keep the chuds out

 

[Thump553]

Why didn't Trump push through wall funding as a clean separate bill when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress? The only feasible answer would be that even GOP legislators didn't back this worthless boondoggle, whose only real feature is to inflate the bloated ego of The Donald (for a while).

So far the main argument in favor of caving is that it is not that much money (only five billion-to start). That's pathetic and especially ironic coming from those that supposedly have fiscal integrity as a core value.

It's time for McConnell to stop sheltering the President and allow these bills to come to vote in the Senate. That refusal is the real reason Trump's lockout continues. It's time to put country over party-at least for a brief moment.

 

[fskimospy]

It’s been discussed over and over and over in this thread. It’s symbolic of basically Trumps victory in 2016. This was a key campaign promise. Trump wants it because of that, he sees it as the biggest unfulfilled campaign promise. A win to cap the presidential win. Nancy, Chuck, and Co oppose it for that same reason. As was mentioned earlier the shutdown has already cost more than that. There are very few if any true fiscally responsible people in DC that truly care about government spending, so not believable that here and now is when all of the sudden the left has started worrying about gov spending. It’s symbolic for each side, and that’s the reason neither side will give.

One other thing to point out of course is that Democrats are correct on the policy merits but for some reason you keep avoiding that fact. Also important to note that from a good governance standpoint it’s important for Democrats to give Trump noting as giving in will simply encourage him to shut the government down again next time he wants something.

Remember how Obama foolishly gave in to Republicans when they tried to hold the debt ceiling hostage in 2011? All it did was make them do it again at the next opportunity. Obama learned his lesson that bad behavior can’t be rewarded. Thankfully Pelosi and Schumer appear to still remember that.

The Democrats are doing the right thing and we should all support them. Country over party.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I agree with you but this battle and the reason they don’t want it built isn’t because they see it as a waste of money.

And Trump doesn’t want it built because it’s effective. The problem here, again, is if the democrats cave in this and give him everything he wants what is he going to hold hostage next time and for what? He doesn’t know how to negotiate. He holds his breath and changes his mind every time people meet him well beyond half way.

At this point the democrats have to hold firm to show him that he can’t hold the people hostage every time he doesn’t get his way for his useless pet desiresand to make Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh stop saying mean things about him.

You don’t give a child throwing a tantrum what he wants as they will learn to do so every time they don’t get their way. The GOP knows this too which is why they are starting to crack.

 

[UNCjigga]

It’s been discussed over and over and over in this thread. It’s symbolic of basically Trumps victory in 2016. This was a key campaign promise. Trump wants it because of that, he sees it as the biggest unfulfilled campaign promise. A win to cap the presidential win. Nancy, Chuck, and Co oppose it for that same reason. As was mentioned earlier the shutdown has already cost more than that. There are very few if any true fiscally responsible people in DC that truly care about government spending, so not believable that here and now is when all of the sudden the left has started worrying about gov spending. It’s symbolic for each side, and that’s the reason neither side will give.

You're so good at lying, even to yourself.

The campaign promise was that Mexico would pay for a wall. Last I checked, Congress isn't appropriating any funding from Mexican taxpayers, so this has nothing to do with fulfilling a campaign promise.

Democrats oppose the wall for a number of valid reasons, least of which is fulfilling a political rival's agenda. The wall is a stupid idea (won't work), it's a waste of money, and nobody has clearly defined what the actual plan is (concrete? Steel slats? Laser beams?)

As for the shutdown, the two main reasons why Democrats won't budge have nothing to do with the wall or border security.
1) They shouldn't give in to a bully like Trump, who will then just threaten another shutdown in a few months over some other inane thing.
2) They shouldn't acquiesce to the likes of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh--who've already done enough to damage the limp-dicked Republican party beyond repair. Nobody elected them--if they want a say in how things are governed they should run for office like everyone else.

 

[Viper1j]

Rear-ended a Trump voter & didn't give my insurance details. Just said I'd make his car great again & drove off while he stood & applauded.

 

[sportage]

If the president as a candidate was going to promise people ANYTHING, why didn't he promise everyone an iPhone? Or a 75" 4K TV? Or tickets to Disney world?
Something people could actually use, unlike his stupid wall.
And speaking of Donald Trump and walls, let us be reminded of walls in this link below...

 

[K1052]

Trump is going do a prime time address on the networks tomorrow re: the border. Likely to be another rambling speech full of lies as usual.

The Dem majority in the House was elected, in large part, on the basis of a big fuck you Trump's immigration priorities and rhetoric (remember the caravan?). This isn't likely to alter that political dynamic.

In related news Senate Democrats are starting to gum up the works by voting no on all bills until the government is reopened.

 

[Engineer]

I agree with you but this battle and the reason they don’t want it built isn’t because they see it as a waste of money.

Why is it your concern why we don't want the fucking wall? How about "I just don't want it", period and if it causes cheeto a loss, I don't want it 10X as much. You've beat this same tired argument to death in this thread. Give it a rest.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm glad I'm not around UC in real life, he's so full of shit that he must leave residue from it just oozing out of his pores.

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh do tell, Democrat whisperer.

lol.

 

[hal2kilo]

Why didn't Trump push through wall funding as a clean separate bill when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress? The only feasible answer would be that even GOP legislators didn't back this worthless boondoggle, whose only real feature is to inflate the bloated ego of The Donald (for a while).

So far the main argument in favor of caving is that it is not that much money (only five billion-to start). That's pathetic and especially ironic coming from those that supposedly have fiscal integrity as a core value.

It's time for McConnell to stop sheltering the President and allow these bills to come to vote in the Senate. That refusal is the real reason Trump's lockout continues. It's time to put country over party-at least for a brief moment.

The real answer is, if we fix immigration, what will Republicans have run on to scare idiots into voting for them. That's why nothing gets done about immigration.

 

[ewdotson]

Back in 2014, the major networks refused to air a prime time address by Obama on his planned executive actions regarding immigration. They were "too political". How much would you like to bet they reward Trump for his being an emotionally abusive toddler?

 

[dainthomas]

It’s been discussed over and over and over in this thread. It’s symbolic of basically Trumps victory in 2016. This was a key campaign promise. Trump wants it because of that, he sees it as the biggest unfulfilled campaign promise. A win to cap the presidential win. Nancy, Chuck, and Co oppose it for that same reason. As was mentioned earlier the shutdown has already cost more than that. There are very few if any true fiscally responsible people in DC that truly care about government spending, so not believable that here and now is when all of the sudden the left has started worrying about gov spending. It’s symbolic for each side, and that’s the reason neither side will give.

T: "What are we going to do?"
Chorus: "Build the wall!!!"
T: "Who's going to pay for it?"
Chorus: "Mexico!!!"

Repeat ten thousand times. Convenient how his cheerleaders have mentally blocked out half of it.

 

[Triloby]

They don’t (for long stretches) that’s why it was about funding & technology. Obama deported more than any other President.
Now are Democrats too hard or too soft on immigration. Both cannot be true.

I've also heard of the mythical creature known as Schrödinger's Democrat. Supports increased security and technology at the border, but is too soft on immigration.