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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
14,611
3,456
136
Trump has canceled his Davos trip and complained about the Democrats again.

Reality is that most of the security apparatus that would plan and execute such a trip are not being paid, including the Secret Service, so that presents some concerns.

Oh no, Herr Twitler is missing out on a taxpayer funded vacation to Switzerland. Sad face.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,752
34,630
136
Reports surfacing that Trump will declare a national emergency and direct the Army Corps of Engineers to build the wall using raided disaster relief money that has been committed (sorry disaster affected folks) but not yet spent.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,752
34,630
136
Kaine just got a bill passed in the Senate by unanimous consent that guarantees back pay for federal workers (not sure if it includes contractors). Reportedly Trump promised Mitch he'd sign.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
58,521
12,816
136
Reports surfacing that Trump will declare a national emergency and direct the Army Corps of Engineers to build the wall using raided disaster relief money that has been committed (sorry disaster affected folks) but not yet spent.
I suppose that when it gets shut down, he'll still get his participation award for trying.
 
Feb 4, 2009
34,699
15,941
136
I suppose that when it gets shut down, he'll still get his participation award for trying.

Yup he can rant Democrats want open borders along with all the other Republicans
Again another great chance at compromise and doing something good wasted.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,947
126
Reports surfacing that Trump will declare a national emergency and direct the Army Corps of Engineers to build the wall using raided disaster relief money that has been committed (sorry disaster affected folks) but not yet spent.

now it makes sense why he pulled fire relief funds from california.
 

Ackmed

Diamond Member
Oct 1, 2003
8,478
524
126
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,947
126
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.

Building a wall is a simple solution for simple minds.
 
Feb 4, 2009
34,699
15,941
136
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.

I thought Democrats want open borders and are soft on immigration.
What is it are Democrats hard on immigration or soft on immigration?
 
Feb 4, 2009
34,699
15,941
136
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.

BTW, if a wall is such a good idea why hasn’t the Republican President, the recently Majority Republican House and the Republican Senate not funded it for 2 fucking years?
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
12,668
3,066
136
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.

None of those quotes have anything to do with trump's wall. Unfortunately you are too simple minded to understand that.
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
27,989
38,401
136
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.


It's not anger we feel for your inability to be rational, for you getting suckered by Trump again over this. It's pity, with a side of exasperation. Just like with the EC, it's been spelled out for you in black and white but you just can't entertain a notion without viewing it through your magical GOP lens. You're just projecting about facts, again. Laws should matter, right, except the ones that hold republicans accountable. Or did we miss your outrage over the Emoluments Clause? When should we expect to see your thread calling out the Trump campaign for colluding with known Russian agents?

After Trump's continuous infantile behavior and dishonesty when it comes to negotiating, you think it's the Dems that are embarrassing? Hahaha ok. I rest my case on your difficulties with perception. Wow.
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
27,989
38,401
136
Building a wall is a simple solution for simple minds.


I agree, except for the solution part. The wall is the most expensive option, yet will do nothing about the majority of illegals preferring airports or majority of drugs smuggled via legal entry points.

It's an expensive and foolhardy bubble suit for the feels, and if the republicans were truely the 'party of defense,' of 'fiscal responsibility' this would have been dropped as another campaign lie years ago.

We can get better security for less money, and faster.
 
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UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
19,275
1,361
126
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/panetta-prolonging-shutdown-is-punishing-innocent-people

So Leon Panetta was on News Hour last night, someone explain this

We all agree on the crisis. So what are the steps needed in order to get border security? And, yes, we agree on technology, we agree on personnel, we agree on judges, we agree on other steps that need to be taken.​
With regards to a wall, I think those who are experts with regards to security have said, yes, we can use some physical barriers, yes, we can use some fencing. I think there should be some agreement along those lines.​
Judy Woodruff:​
Right.​
Leon Panetta:​
But, as to a wall, I just don't think that there's going to be any support for that.​
What in the world is the difference between a physical barrier which he said we need but not a wall?
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,752
34,630
136
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.

Just a MAGA hat wearing perpetual victim of the libs.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
33,563
7,618
136
In a sane world we would be holding impeachment hearings right now but...

Don't have to reach that far. In a sane world the Republicans would want to end the Trump Shutdown and they'd have the balls to pass the funding without him. Don't forget that they don't need Trump in order to end this. It's also on them.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,320
15,117
136
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/panetta-prolonging-shutdown-is-punishing-innocent-people

So Leon Panetta was on News Hour last night, someone explain this

We all agree on the crisis. So what are the steps needed in order to get border security? And, yes, we agree on technology, we agree on personnel, we agree on judges, we agree on other steps that need to be taken.​
With regards to a wall, I think those who are experts with regards to security have said, yes, we can use some physical barriers, yes, we can use some fencing. I think there should be some agreement along those lines.​
Judy Woodruff:​
Right.​
Leon Panetta:​
But, as to a wall, I just don't think that there's going to be any support for that.​
What in the world is the difference between a physical barrier which he said we need but not a wall?

The wall covers most of our border, a barrier covers small portions of our border where people frequently cross.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,803
29,553
146
I'm sticking with the Republican Senators want Trump to use his Emergency powers so it can go to court and be found not to be an emergency. They definitely do not want another Obama to have that power.
They'll be able to still campaign on Democrats want open borders because they prevented the wall and will still be able to pass a spending resolution to open the Government. They'll win on everything if that happens. Plus status quo on immigration and DACA.

I had heard yesterday about the "Declaring emergency powers/wait for it to get squashed in the courts angle," that there really isn't much for the courts to do. Congress granted POTUS nearly unlimited ability to make such declarations, for any reason, with no limit. There really are no laws anywhere to define the POTUS' limits when making this declaration: the assumption being: we only have a responsible adult as POTUS, and that rational humans can agree on what an actual emergency is, based on observable evidence, or actual threat to the country.

What is a court to do, when they can't point to a single law that defines the scope of this power? The court could say "well, this isn't really a threat...." but that itself isn't really defined. Courts tend to make rulings based on law (well, except for conservative justices, that tend to just make shit up as they go....this could actually backfire bigly on Trump and the GOP.)
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,320
15,117
136
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.


Uh oh! We have another fucking dumb ass, parrot, who doesn't understand the issue.


Say it with me; a border wall does not equal border security or immigration reform.

Say it again; a border wall does not equal border security or immigration reform.

Now lets try emptying your head that's full of shit and replace it with some facts: Democrats support border security and immigration reform. Democrats do not support, stupid, ineffectual, walls.
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
19,275
1,361
126
The wall covers most of our border, a barrier covers small portions of our border where people frequently cross.


I’ve never heard it described / differentiated like that. So you’d be ok with a concrete and steel barrier (wall for all intents and purposes) being built along parts of the border so long as it doesn’t go the full length?
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,803
29,553
146
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama

“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
- Shumer 2009

These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.

Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.

I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.

lol @ "lawful term."

what the fuck does that mean, "lawful term?" you just made that shit up, you brainless filter-feeder.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,320
15,117
136
I’ve never heard it described / differentiated like that. So you’d be ok with a concrete and steel barrier (wall for all intents and purposes) being built along parts of the border so long as it doesn’t go the full length?

Yes, that's how its currently done. Does it need to be expanded? I have no idea but I do feel better technology and more personnel would be a better use of money over wall or barrier expansion.
 
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