I agree, except for the solution part. The wall is the most expensive option, yet will do nothing about the majority of illegals preferring airports or majority of drugs smuggled via legal entry points.
It's an expensive and foolhardy bubble suit for the feels, and if the republicans were truely the 'party of defense,' of 'fiscal responsibility' this would have been dropped as another campaign lie years ago.
We can get better security for less money, and faster.
a border wall does not equal border security
Then why does Hillary tout how she repeatedly voted to fund it then?
It’s not a silver bullet but the amount of help it provides is certainly greater than zero. A wall coupled with ending the war on drugs coupled with border tech coupled with e verify coupled with real fines and loss of business licenses for hiring illegals solves our problems.
Edit: coupled with amnesty for with no criminal record
Quoting Panetta-
yes, we can use some physical barriers, yes, we can use some fencing.
I agree, except for the solution part. The wall is the most expensive option, yet will do nothing about the majority of illegals preferring airports or majority of drugs smuggled via legal entry points.
It's an expensive and foolhardy bubble suit for the feels, and if the republicans were truely the 'party of defense,' of 'fiscal responsibility' this would have been dropped as another campaign lie years ago.
We can get better security for less money, and faster.
K. Republicans are stupid, I don’t really disagree. You said a wall doesn’t equal border security but it seems Hillary disagreed to some extent. It provides a barrier where one didn’t exist before. The protection provided isn’t fool proof but neither is locking our doors but I bet you still do.
It’s not a silver bullet but it’s better than doing nothing and that’s what I don’t think the left is explaining to the right very well. The right doesn’t think it impenetrable either, but they certainly see it as better than nothing. So why not? Forgo a jet or two and build a damned wall.
K. Republicans are stupid, I don’t really disagree. You said a wall doesn’t equal border security but it seems Hillary disagreed to some extent. It provides a barrier where one didn’t exist before. The protection provided isn’t fool proof but neither is locking our doors but I bet you still do.
It’s not a silver bullet but it’s better than doing nothing and that’s what I don’t think the left is explaining to the right very well. The right doesn’t think it impenetrable either, but they certainly see it as better than nothing. So why not? Forgo a jet or two and build a damned wall.
Is there some part of "some" you fail to comprehend?
Your stupidity continues to amaze me. Just because you aren't capable of discerning the difference between a barrier and a wall and you don't understand the context of why one was supported over the other, doesn't mean everyone else is just as clueless.
I guess dotard j smoothebrains shouldn't of politicized the issue of border security.
You’re right I don’t. So it seems y’all s opposition to this is the length it will run?
I don't think it's much of a risk for them personally. The deck will be so stacked against Democrats that the GoP will have secured minority rule. Even if the Dems ever take the white house and pull a stunt like this those same Trump picked judges chosen for their loyalty would probably just rule against a Democrat president doing the same thing. Rules for thee but not for me. The GoP absolutely would, and could, pull it off.
You’re right I don’t. So it seems y’all s opposition to this is the length it will run?
So why did Hillary tout how she voted for one repeatedly?
And your answer didn’t really address it. You called me stupid for not knowing that the difference between a wall and a barrier is the length (I disagree there is any difference other than splitting hairs in your head) but never really addressed it beyond that. Jhhnn either for that matter.
That's inane. Nobody with a lick of sense wants to wall Texas off from the Rio Grande, least of all the people who live there.
And that is why we need every administration official and judicial pick impeached.
Hillary? Get over it. She lost.
It seems you’re answering a question I didn’t ask?
Was she wrong to vote for that? I’m not talking about whether she won the election so try not to use that as a deflection, do you support her decision to cast several votes in favor of it?
“Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” - Schumer, 2009
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked” - Obama, 2005
“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.” - Clinton, 2015
"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," - Obama
“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple,” Schumer said. “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose.”
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer continued. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.” - Shumer 2009
These quotes have been going around for a few days. Except on lib news, because it goes against their agenda. There are many, many, many more too. Now the term illegal alien (lawful term) is "hurtful" and wrong. Laws should matter, and stating facts should as well.
Literally every high ranking, and even low ranking Dem has wanted and supported a wall, more border security, were against illegal immigration and tougher laws against them, and recognized the problem at the border. NOW suddenly its fiction and they want open borders. Because Trump wants it. Nevermind the women and children (which Dems claim to care about in shootings) who get abused, and the drugs that come into our country. The hypocrisy that the Dems continually demonstrate is really just embarrassing.
I know, I know. I will get attacked over this, called names, and other nonsense for stating facts and using their own words against them. When there isnt an argument to be made, that is what happens.
Your quotes don't say anything about Walls.
Joshua Tree National Park has been vandalized and trashed during the shutdown.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/1/10/18177478/joshua-tree-national-park-government-shutdown
A week ago, Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California was forced to shut down its campgrounds due to “health and safety concerns over near-capacity pit toilets,” according to CNN.
But despite the partial closure, things continued to get worse.
According to National Parks Traveler, visitors are creating illegal roads and driving into some of the park’s most fragile areas. They are also chopping down trees, setting illegal fires, and graffitiing rocks. With Joshua Tree being roughly the size of Delaware, the eight on-duty law enforcement rangers had no way to stop all the prohibited activity.
“We had some pretty extensive four-wheel driving around the entire area to access probably our most significant tree in the park,” Joshua Tree superintendent David Smith told National Parks Traveler. “We have this hybrid live oak tree that is deciduous. It is one of our kind of iconic trees inside the park. People were driving to it and camping under it. Through the virgin desert to get to this location.”
On Tuesday, Smith announced the park would close indefinitely due to the damage. However, this measure was rolled back on Wednesday by federal officials, who said they will use the Federal Land and Recreation Enhancement funds to restart park maintenance and address sanitation issues.
Joshua trees are already facing possible extinction, with scientists claiming that the Joshua Tree habitat will be lost to climate change by 2100. Smith told National Geographic in October, “We’re just in crisis mode right now.” Twenty days into the government shutdown, vandals are accelerating the trees’ demise.
It is a pretty big risk for them to take. What happens if the case goes before of of Trump's hand picked judges that were picked on the basis of loyalty and that the GOP has been shoved through primarily to rig the court system in their favor? That judge could find that The Constitution has no requirement for what is an 'emergency' and it can be anything the President says it it. Then they have just effectively handed a crown to the President with no real way to pull it back.