Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[Engineer]

WH and Treasury states that IRS refunds will go out (but didn't really say when?). IRS running 12.5% staff....will be interesting.

Edit: Reported now that the WH ORDERED the IRS to issue tax refunds even though nearly 90% of the staff has been furloughed because of shutdown. I can see this going really well, lol.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Back in 2014, the major networks refused to air a prime time address by Obama on his planned executive actions regarding immigration. They were "too political". How much would you like to bet they reward Trump for his being an emotionally abusive toddler?

Same thing should happen because this is much worse than anything Obama might have said. Trump has no idea what he thinks or believes. He doesn't understand how the shutdown works. He doesn't understand how courts work, the Constitution, anything.

Networks should let Trump speak and then give a bit of time fact checking. When Trump lies then a clip of that but otherwise very little of him

 

[SMOGZINN]

WH and Treasury states that IRS refunds will go out (but didn't really say when?). IRS running 12.5% staff....will be interesting.

Edit: Reported now that the WH ORDERED the IRS to issue tax refunds even though nearly 90% of the staff has been furloughed because of shutdown. I can see this going really well, lol.

I don't know how he expects that to happen. Trust me if this goes on long enough to affect tax returns there won't be enough IRS employees to process taxes, much less issue refunds.

 

[Engineer]

I don't know how he expects that to happen. Trust me if this goes on long enough to affect tax returns there won't be enough IRS employees to process taxes, much less issue refunds.

Don't forget that this is the first filing year for the new tax laws and there will always be confusion and issues. Multiply that by 100 with only 12% employees.

 

[Viper1j]

2019 will be a tax free year.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Don't forget that this is the first filing year for the new tax laws and there will always be confusion and issues. Multiply that by 100 with only 12% employees.

Oh, I am well aware. This is when IRS employees are traditionally training up for the new tax season, but instead they are all furloughed. So, things are not going to go smoothly this year. The people that are supposed to be the experts are sitting at home wondering how they are going to pay the rent. A number of them have to be thinking a career at H&R Block is looking rather tempting.

 

[Sonikku]

It’s been discussed over and over and over in this thread. It’s symbolic of basically Trumps victory in 2016. This was a key campaign promise. Trump wants it because of that, he sees it as the biggest unfulfilled campaign promise. A win to cap the presidential win. Nancy, Chuck, and Co oppose it for that same reason. As was mentioned earlier the shutdown has already cost more than that. There are very few if any true fiscally responsible people in DC that truly care about government spending, so not believable that here and now is when all of the sudden the left has started worrying about gov spending. It’s symbolic for each side, and that’s the reason neither side will give.

Wasn't the key campaign promise that Mexico was going to pay for it? If he has to shake down tax payers for the money, the promise is already broken.

 

[Indus]

Except we might not get to see our tax refund thanks to Ann Cunter and Rush Limpcock.

 

[Viper1j]

I would love to see Ann Coulter in a bukake video..

 

[nutxo]

Wasn't the key campaign promise that Mexico was going to pay for it? If he has to shake down tax payers for the money, the promise is already broken.

If he kept every promise would you vote for him or just cry more?

 

[alien42]

If he kept every promise would you vote for him or just cry more?

If a fresh pile of shit smells bad, would you eat it or just complain about the smell?

 

[UberNeuman]

If a fresh pile of shit smells bad, would you eat it or just complain about the smell?

lol. He'd eat it out of Trump's ass and ask for more.

 

[Bitek]

Congress could fund the govt tomorrow with a veto proof majority if the GOP would go for it. It's not like they actually want the wall, anyway. They're just trying to humor the mad King & the mob in the street.

Remember fellas, this is about $6 billion being a waste of money so totally worth it. Dig those heels in!

A border security bill does not need to be tied to the gov funding bill for the national parks, IRS or even TSA.

They are two separate things that can be passed at separate times.

Trump shutdown the gov because he sucks at negotiating and can't get his money any other way.

 

[SMOGZINN]

A border security bill does not need to be tied to the gov funding bill for the national parks, IRS or even TSA.

They are two separate things that can be passed at separate times.

Trump shutdown the gov because he sucks at negotiating and can't get his money any other way.

And remember that the Democrats already gave him the option to separate these issues and he said he would veto it.

 

[K1052]

I think Pence just indicated that the President is perhaps delusional rather than a liar when Trump said that other presidents told him (Trump) they wanted a wall. Very comforting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1082611187311886336

 

[UglyCasanova]

There was a guy being interviewed on NPR this morning that did a good job breaking down how this is symbolism on both the right and the left. He was from some sort of immigration policy think tank or something like that, anyone catch it?

 

[Engineer]

There was a guy being interviewed on NPR this morning that did a good job breaking down how this is symbolism on both the right and the left. He was from some sort of immigration policy think tank or something like that, anyone catch it?

It's on cheeto and the GOP...period.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/polls-trump-shutdown-wall/index.html

When you combine all the numbers together, about 55% blame Republicans (either Trump or congressional Republicans) and about just 35% blame Democrats for the shutdown.

fuck cheeto and the whore base he rode in on.

 

[Stokely]

Bottom line...when the Senate agrees on something across party lines that is reasonable, and then the President comes in and tries to simply wipe all that away with his "my way or the highway" idea--this should not be rewarded. Unfortunately McConnell is an abject coward unwilling to stand up for his own Senate and he caved in like a wet bag.

I also agree that the government should re-open, then talks can continue about the merits of the wall. First there should be talks about the nature and extent of the "crisis" before that though. A special investigation about it maybe.

If there isn't really a problem meriting the expenditure, we can dispense with the wall talk (or conversely, begin planning it if the problem merits it). This is how projects are done at work, mostly (identify the problem concretely, cost it out, plan it, build it). As with Trump, we sometimes get the "shit, the boss read a blog about a new tech again" projects where we have to build some fancy solution that lacks a problem.

 

[Stryke1983]

There was a guy being interviewed on NPR this morning that did a good job breaking down how this is symbolism on both the right and the left. He was from some sort of immigration policy think tank or something like that, anyone catch it?

Again, there was a bipartisan bill planned. Trump refused to sign it unless he gets a giant boondoggle that the majority do not want. This isn't a case of the Democrats making unreasonable demands. There was a plan in place that both sides were content with. But Trump is single handedly preventing any compromise and is causing chaos via shutting down the government in order to get a giant monument to himself at the cost of billions of dollars.

Why are you saying the right thing is to give it to him? The left and right already compromised with the initial bill. Why should the "Left" throw away that compromise and allow Trump to burn billions of dollars for no reason? Surely the most sensible options now are for Trump to see reason (unlikely) or for the Republicans to do what they said they would do in the initial bill and then easily override the toddler's veto. Then you have a plan that's best for the country, it's what the majority of the population want and it may even help to improve his behavior by demonstrating that the Senate will actually act in the best interests of the nation instead of politicizing basic and simple decisions like this one.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bottom line...when the Senate agrees on something across party lines that is reasonable, and then the President comes in and tries to simply wipe all that away with his "my way or the highway" idea--this should not be rewarded. Unfortunately McConnell is an abject coward unwilling to stand up for his own Senate and he caved in like a wet bag.

McConnell is laying back, watching Trump burn off political capital like it was going out of style. It's a dick move wrt the country, but Mitch DGAF. Trump double crossed him & is now on his own. Enjoy your ass-whupping, Mr President.

 

[Sonikku]

The GoP says the bill their party brought to the floor a couple weeks ago that they refuse to bring to the floor now was to avoid a shut down, not end one. But for all practical purposes, what in the fuck is the difference?

 

[dank69]

The GoP says the bill their party brought to the floor a couple weeks ago that they refuse to bring to the floor now was to avoid a shut down, not end one. But for all practical purposes, what in the fuck is the difference?

Political calculus.

 

[Sonikku]

McConnell is laying back, watching Trump burn off political capital like it was going out of style. It's a dick move wrt the country, but Mitch DGAF. Trump double crossed him & is now on his own. Enjoy your ass-whupping, Mr President.

Yeah, great political move. And while these asshats are playing hot potato with the blame, millions of Americans are trying to live without their livelihoods. Seems to me that everyone in congress should forfeit their pay in government shut downs as well.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, great political move. And while these asshats are playing hot potato with the blame, millions of Americans are trying to live without their livelihoods. Seems to me that everyone in congress should forfeit their pay in government shut downs as well.

The blame lays squarely with Trump. He owned the shutdown before it started.

 

[Sonikku]

The blame lays squarely with Trump. He owned the shutdown before it started.

And yet all the Republicans on Face the Nation and other pundent shows all insist it's all the Democrats fault and these things wouldn't happen if they just rubber stamped Trump's agenda.