“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.”- Clinton, 2015
K. Republicans are stupid, I don’t really disagree. You said a wall doesn’t equal border security but it seems Hillary disagreed to some extent. It provides a barrier where one didn’t exist before. The protection provided isn’t fool proof but neither is locking our doors but I bet you still do.
It’s not a silver bullet but it’s better than doing nothing and that’s what I don’t think the left is explaining to the right very well. The right doesn’t think it impenetrable either, but they certainly see it as better than nothing. So why not? Forgo a jet or two and build a damned wall.
“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.”- Clinton, 2015
Well look, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders. But I think that it’s also true that we need to do more to try to number one, deal with the people who are already here, many of whom have been here for decades. Because it is just never going to happen that we’re going to round-up and deport 11 or 12 million. I don’t care how tall the wall is or how big the door is, that is never going to happen. And I think it is an unnecessarily provocative thing to say.
We need to secure our borders, I’m for it, I voted for it, I believe in it, and we also need to deal with the families, the workers who are here, who have made contributions, and their children. Mexican immigration no longer is really the issue. The Mexican economy is doing well enough, we’ve had no net Mexican immigration in the last several years. We now get immigrants from Central America and Latin America. And a lot of them make a very dangerous trip with smugglers and traffickers to try to get in to our country. And we need to do more to try to put some resources into those countries to try to deal with some of the conditions particularly the violence, the drug dealers and the like, that create that.
And we have an example of how effective the United States can be. When my husband was president, as you remember, there was a war going on in Colombia by drug traffickers and insurgent rebels. It was such a violent war that elected officials, business leaders, academics were being kidnapped, many of them murdered, others held for ransom. And we did something called Plan Colombia. Where we helped the government figure out how to secure their country from drug traffickers and rebels. And it took a number of years but now it’s a success story. So we can do more to stop the problem from where it starts. We can do more to secure our border and we should do more to deal with the 11 or 12 million people who are here, get them out of the shadows.
Because we will have a better economic outcome if we do that because what happens now is if you’re undocumented, you will work for as little as you can be paid. And that influences the labor market and takes away jobs from Americans because there’s no even playing field. If we get them out of the shadows and we enforce the labor laws, we will see a much better labor market for Americans and we will also see much more contribution into the Social Security and Medicare system, as well as the taxes. I mean right now we know that undocumented workers pay into the Social Security system, many billions of dollars, but it could be even more. So yeah we have to do all of that and to talk about just one piece of it I think is misleading and doesn’t help us get to where we can solve the problems that we face.
There’s lots of stuff I don’t think my tax dollars should go towards but they do. I don’t get to (directly anyways) say nope sorry government go frick yourself.
Edit: I don’t want a middle class tax cut, not at the moment anyways. The taxes on the rich need to be raised. Not sure where that came from or what it has to do with anything
There's expected to be a big snow storm this weekend along the east coast.
Serious Question:
Will the shutdown have an affect on any emergency services that may be needed during blizzards? Not plows, obviously, but possibly FEMA responses to major catastrophes?
So? The symbolism is still an important fight in this case.Oh lord I’m sitting in my car and the NPR reporters saying this is largely a fight over symbolism not policy.
That is correct. Anything over 0.0 feet is a waste of money.Ok let’s go with it, your opposition to this is the length?
Democrats' fault. They are such obstructionists. If they could just compromise like the GOP does all the time we would all be better off. In fact, I think it is time for the GOP to start considering being less flexible until the Democrats learn their lesson.My sister is a stay at home mom and her husband is coast guard. They had out of state ballots for Florida for the last two elections and she never took the time to vote. Her response "It's just too much time to figure out who to vote for".
Now she's on facebook bitching about not getting paychecks.
Welp. Elections have consequences.
Oh lord I’m sitting in my car and the NPR reporters saying this is largely a fight over symbolism not policy.
Democrats' fault. They are such obstructionists. If they could just compromise like the GOP does all the time we would all be better off. In fact, I think it is time for the GOP to start considering being less flexible until the Democrats learn their lesson.
Looks like the gap between are at least 6" wide? Can't people just load up a laptop bag with drug and pass it over to the other side? Isn't Trump said something about throw bags of drugs over?So about that "very powerful" steel barrier...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
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Oh lord I’m sitting in my car and the NPR reporters saying this is largely a fight over symbolism not policy.
Uhh, that's exactly what it is. The "wall" is Trump and his bases "FUCK YOU, STAY OUT" symbolism of MAGA. Nothing more. The end.
It's amazing that the Trump wall "symbolizers" have conveniently forgotten that BOTH SIDES had already agreed to a CR that DID NOT include funding for the wall with a UNANIMOUS voice vote from the senate. This was based on an understanding between the dipshit occupant of the Oval Office and McConnell -- until the dipshit's Maga whisperers, Limbaugh and Coulter, hurt his feewings by saying he'd lose The Base™ if he couldn't deliver on the wall promise. A promise he has already broken because he said Mexico was going to pay for it and they never will. The only people who are unable to extricate themselves from making such a ridiculous, empty promise are his sympathizers and the dipshit himself.
It really, really isn't. As Paratus put so well if the Democrats give in to Trump he will simply take the government hostage again the next time these bills' funding expires.
This is why you can NEVER give in to hostage takers, it just makes them take more hostages. If the government has to stay shut down until Trump loses in 2020, so be it. It's a better alternative than showing that hostage taking works.