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They made good weapons in a fight. As small as they were, they packed a helluva punch...and could be used numerous times without breaking.

ahem...or so I heard.
If it wasn't you vs multiples, you fought like a bitch.
 

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Remember when almost any DOS/Windows 98 game ran on your 386/486/Pentium and you didn't have to worry about upgrading your computer in a panic just to enjoy a newly released game? I would fantasize more about owning a Gravis Ultrasound or a Creative SB AWE32 than some powerful video card.

Today, the problem is GPU with so many graphical settings that we all would like to max out. In those days, most games were 2D so the CPU didn't have that hard of a time rendering them. I don't remember a single game from that era that forced me to get a better CPU. Upgrading was mostly done to enjoy more snappiness in Windows or get better benchmark scores and be the cool kid on the block with the shiny new CPU.
Your brain is full of fuck. The 90s sucked for PC gaming. even in the first part of the 2000s everything went obsolete quickly. You weren't holding on to a platform for a decade like you can now.
 
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remember when A&W was a drive-in restaurant? My dad would say, "wanna go to A&W?" when I was a little kid and I was, like, YEAH let's go!

They would bring a tray and attach it to your door window and then bring your food out. My dad and I always enjoyed that. I really miss those times.

I just found some old pics of Canadian A&W stuff:

i went to an a&w in mississauga years ago, it was pretty good but not a drive in though.

there's some in ohio and the closest to me used to be about 30 mins away so i'd stop at every now and then. but now the closest is over an hour so i never go there anymore.

i like how grandpa gets the biggest burger 🍔
 

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i went to an a&w in mississauga years ago, it was pretty good but not a drive in though.

there's some in ohio and the closest to me used to be about 30 mins away so i'd stop at every now and then. but now the closest is over an hour so i never go there anymore.

i like how grandpa gets the biggest burger 🍔
The A&W's here were basically done by the early 80's but made a comeback in the 90's.

The Canadian A&W has been a separate company from the US since 1972.

 
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Your brain is full of fuck. The 90s sucked for PC gaming. even in the first part of the 2000s everything went obsolete quickly. You weren't holding on to a platform for a decade like you can now.
Just different circumstances and personal experiences.

I was piss poor at the time. Had to do incremental upgrades to get my PC gaming fix. My Celeron 700 MHz in a slocket adapter on the 440BX chipset and possibly a PC Partner mobo took me from 2D games to software mode 3D games to real 3D games with my first 3D accelerator Voodoo 3 AGP to a Geforce 2 MX 400 to a Geforce 3 Ti 200 with which I played Doom 3 and had to overclock the Celery to 1 GHz to maintain an acceptable frame rate. It sucks that I had to sell it to upgrade to a Sempron 2 GHz. If I could afford to keep it, I would be hugging that Celery+440BX system dearly right now. It gave me years and years of joyful, wondrous gaming.
 

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Today, the problem is GPU with so many graphical settings that we all would like to max out. In those days, most games were 2D so the CPU didn't have that hard of a time rendering them. I don't remember a single game from that era that forced me to get a better CPU. Upgrading was mostly done to enjoy more snappiness in Windows or get better benchmark scores and be the cool kid on the block with the shiny new CPU.
There were many games between 1993 and 2001 that would have required you to upgrade both, that was a time of very rapid advancement in both hardware and software. Hell, Halo came out in 2001, even a year prior you probably couldn't run that on the PC unless you were running some good shit, and I can vouch for that because I had it. Today about the only thing you absolutely have to upgrade for is ray tracing or 4k@144hz, if you don't care about that a 1080ti can carry you pretty well (also citation: me).
 

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remember when A&W was a drive-in restaurant? My dad would say, "wanna go to A&W?" when I was a little kid and I was, like, YEAH let's go!

They would bring a tray and attach it to your door window and then bring your food out. My dad and I always enjoyed that. I really miss those times.

I just found some old pics of Canadian A&W stuff:

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Still have one near me, it's pretty damn good! They don't have their spicy fries (tots? I forget) anymore though, at least not there.
 

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Just different circumstances and personal experiences.

I was piss poor at the time. Had to do incremental upgrades to get my PC gaming fix. My Celeron 700 MHz in a slocket adapter on the 440BX chipset and possibly a PC Partner mobo took me from 2D games to software mode 3D games to real 3D games with my first 3D accelerator Voodoo 3 AGP to a Geforce 2 MX 400 to a Geforce 3 Ti 200 with which I played Doom 3 and had to overclock the Celery to 1 GHz to maintain an acceptable frame rate. It sucks that I had to sell it to upgrade to a Sempron 2 GHz. If I could afford to keep it, I would be hugging that Celery+440BX system dearly right now. It gave me years and years of joyful, wondrous gaming.
You're probably forgetting the fact that you did those upgrades over like a 4 year period.
 
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Hell, Halo came out in 2001, even a year prior you probably couldn't run that on the PC unless you were running some good shit, and I can vouch for that because I had it.
I remember that I finished both Halo and Halo 2 on PC. That era of my life is a bit hazy. But it couldn't have been any more hardware than a Sempron 2 GHz and a Radeon 9500. The only game I remember finishing on my Q9300 and Geforce 9600 GT was Crysis. Being unwealthy makes you very compromising. If a game managed 15+ fps, I would play it without complaining too much.
 

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I remember that I finished both Halo and Halo 2 on PC. That era of my life is a bit hazy. But it couldn't have been any more hardware than a Sempron 2 GHz and a Radeon 9500. The only game I remember finishing on my Q9300 and Geforce 9600 GT was Crysis. Being unwealthy makes you very compromising. If a game managed 15+ fps, I would play it without complaining too much.
If your metric for reasonable gameplay was still 15fps, you could probably still rock that q9300 with something like a gtx960 and get even better with today's AAA.
 
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If your metric for reasonable gameplay was still 15fps, you could probably still rock that q9300 with something like a gtx960 and get even better with today's AAA.
Ha! Have a 12700K and RX 6800 plus a 3090 in reserve in case the 6800 seems insufficient. The bigger problem I never anticipated is that the older one gets, the more one "thinks" about playing games rather than actually doing it. My brain gets tired very easily now.
 

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remember when A&W was a drive-in restaurant? My dad would say, "wanna go to A&W?" when I was a little kid and I was, like, YEAH let's go!

They would bring a tray and attach it to your door window and then bring your food out. My dad and I always enjoyed that. I really miss those times.

I just found some old pics of Canadian A&W stuff:

View attachment 84297
Tuesday Coney's 10/$1.00.
If it wasn't you vs multiples, you fought like a bitch.

Dude...if I have to fight...I don't worry about "fighting fair," that's a loser's term...I fight to win...with whatever "tools" I can lay hands on. None of those "Marquis of Queensbury rules" for me.
 

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Tuesday Coney's 10/$1.00.


Dude...if I have to fight...I don't worry about "fighting fair," that's a loser's term...I fight to win...with whatever "tools" I can lay hands on. None of those "Marquis of Queensbury rules" for me.
First, I was riding you a bit. I hope you realized that. You were a warfighter, you got street cred.

I am just nostalgically trash talking because growing up, only some exceptionally low fight IQ muthafucka would get hit with a coke bottle or some shit like that. The mechanics to get any power from the bottle are so easy to see coming. I cannot imagine getting clipped with one. I would have kicked my own ass after they were done with me. It isn't even much extra reach is the worst part. I remember idiots fighting us with rolls of coins in their fists, homemade blackjacks, they'd even take off their belts. All that stuff was garbage used by people that couldn't fight for shit.
 

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Ha! Have a 12700K and RX 6800 plus a 3090 in reserve in case the 6800 seems insufficient. The bigger problem I never anticipated is that the older one gets, the more one "thinks" about playing games rather than actually doing it. My brain gets tired very easily now.
I have the opposite problem, more than enough desire and stamina, not enough time. If I could I'd move myself and my SO to Mars to gain an extra hour a day and get everyone else a few million miles a way so they'd stop interrupting me.
 
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remember when A&W was a drive-in restaurant? My dad would say, "wanna go to A&W?" when I was a little kid and I was, like, YEAH let's go!

They would bring a tray and attach it to your door window and then bring your food out. My dad and I always enjoyed that. I really miss those times.

I just found some old pics of Canadian A&W stuff:

View attachment 84297
The first drive in in the PNW was XXX rootbeer in 1930.
http://www.triplexrootbeer.com/history.htm

There is one in Issaquah and in Lafeyette, IN.

The one in Issaquah is a going concern, hosting all sorts of car gatherings.

http://www.triplexrootbeer.com/

 
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Your brain is full of fuck. The 90s sucked for PC gaming. even in the first part of the 2000s everything went obsolete quickly. You weren't holding on to a platform for a decade like you can now.

the games were the best back then though!

and upgrading and tweaking was fun as all get out, provided you had the cash

(or were willing to rent yourself out for GPU money lol)

man i start thinking about all the games back then and it makes me want to play some of them again!

even if it takes me a day or two to tweak my autoexec.bat and config.sys to get mscdex and the sound blaster drivers to load while still having 625KB of conventional memory free - that was a game in itself!

simcity 2000
civilization 2
betrayal at krondor
red baron
lhx attack chopper
yserbius and twinion
age of empires and age of kings
asheron's call
the incredible machine
king's quest V and VI
doom
quake
half life
tribes
unreal
 

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the games were the best back then though!

and upgrading and tweaking was fun as all get out, provided you had the cash

(or were willing to rent yourself out for GPU money lol)

man i start thinking about all the games back then and it makes me want to play some of them again!

even if it takes me a day or two to tweak my autoexec.bat and config.sys to get mscdex and the sound blaster drivers to load while still having 625KB of conventional memory free - that was a game in itself!

simcity 2000
civilization 2
betrayal at krondor
red baron
lhx attack chopper
yserbius and twinion
age of empires and age of kings
asheron's call
the incredible machine
king's quest V and VI
doom
quake
half life
tribes
unreal
Quake, Quake II, Doom, Unreal, Half-Life...great games at the time.
 

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the games were the best back then though!

and upgrading and tweaking was fun as all get out, provided you had the cash

(or were willing to rent yourself out for GPU money lol)

man i start thinking about all the games back then and it makes me want to play some of them again!

even if it takes me a day or two to tweak my autoexec.bat and config.sys to get mscdex and the sound blaster drivers to load while still having 625KB of conventional memory free - that was a game in itself!

simcity 2000
civilization 2
betrayal at krondor
red baron
lhx attack chopper
yserbius and twinion
age of empires and age of kings
asheron's call
the incredible machine
king's quest V and VI
doom
quake
half life
tribes
unreal
Your list is invalid because no Duke Nukem 3D or Wolfenstein 3D.

Was it fun at the time? Sure. But when I compare and contrast to now, now is so much better by my standards.I don't miss any of the things you referenced. Or dip switches, jumpers on everything, CLI, etc. I especially don't miss floppy drives, parallel cables, needing multiple expansion cards, or a power gulping CRT pumping out heat.
 
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Quake, Quake II, Doom, Unreal, Half-Life...great games at the time.
Missed out on Unreal and Half Life and couldn't get into them later on (felt too old compared to more modern shooters) but Half Life 2 and Orange Box and Ep1 and 2 were a blast!
 

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Missed out on Unreal and Half Life and couldn't get into them later on (felt too old compared to more modern shooters) but Half Life 2 and Orange Box and Ep1 and 2 were a blast!

I still play the HL2 series from time to time. Nothing like throwing a barrel of "gasoline" (or a toilet) at your enemies.
 
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Your list is invalid because no Duke Nukem 3D or Wolfenstein 3D.

Was it fun at the time? Sure. But when I compare and contrast to now, now is so much better by my standards.I don't miss any of the things you referenced. Or dip switches, jumpers on everything, CLI, etc. I especially don't miss floppy drives, parallel cables, needing multiple expansion cards, or a power gulping CRT pumping out heat.
I do. Kept the fucking morons off the Internet.
 
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