Remorseless man who murdered 7 schoolgirls hailed as hero

[Double Trouble]

I'm not sure that "Well we could kill loads more but we didn't..." has ever been used as a defence before.

It's not a defense, it's a logical point, it shows that the intent is obviously not to kill civilians. If it was, there would be a whole lot more dead civilians.

What you're saying is that its more convenient for us to kill those civilians than not to kill them.

No, that's what you are saying. When you wage war there are going to be civilian casualties, there's simply no getting around that. We don't celebrate civilian casualties, we try to avoid them. As I said, comparing the two is complete idiocy. Whatever point you're trying to make about US equivalence is dumb, just stop it.

 

[WelshBloke]

It's not a defense, it's a logical point, it shows that the intent is obviously not to kill civilians. If it was, there would be a whole lot more dead civilians.

So you're saying that when we fire a missile into a building full of civilians we aren't intending to kill any?
Did we suddenly forget what missiles do? Were we expecting it to explode in a shower or cupcakes and gifts rather than fire and body parts?

No, that's what you are saying. When you wage war there are going to be civilian casualties, there's simply no getting around that. We don't celebrate civilian casualties, we try to avoid them. As I said, comparing the two is complete idiocy.

We're certainly not trying very hard. It keeps happening.
View it the other way around. When there are suicide bombers targeting military checkpoints but happen to wipe out a bunch of civilians as well do you excuse those as unavoidable casualties as well?

Whatever point you're trying to make about US equivalence is dumb, just stop it.

The point is that everyone is quick and happy to put our more questionable actions as "accidents" as if the chopper took a wrong turn in Arizona got lost, ended up in the middle East and had some catastrophic weapons failure that involved the missiles going live and launching themselves.

 

[agent00f]

The comparison to civilian casualties from US actions is just stupid. If the US actually wanted to kill civilians, it could wipe out billions. In attempting to fight a terror/genocidal group, there are sometimes unfortunately civilian casualties. The US takes significant steps to prevent civilian deaths, it's just impossible to always avoid, especially when the enemy hides among civilians or even uses them as shields whenever possible.

To compare that with a guy mowing down innocent children is ridiculous. The celebration of what this murderer did is indefensible and inexcusable, shame on those Jordanians.

LOL @ just how predictable complete degenerates are.

"Also simple matter of very evident fact that adherents of that ideology will say/do anything to pretend they're not in the complete degenerate club."

 

[WelshBloke]

I actually suspect that we treat them so differently is because theres no danger of anyone firing missiles into our houses whereas theres a (vanishingly) small chance of us being involved in an attack involving guns.

 

[justoh]

I actually suspect that we treat them so differently is because theres no danger of anyone firing missiles into our houses whereas theres a (vanishingly) small chance of us being involved in an attack involving guns.

Either that or because they're just fundamentally different, stupid.

 

[agent00f]

I actually suspect that we treat them so differently is because theres no danger of anyone firing missiles into our houses whereas theres a (vanishingly) small chance of us being involved in an attack involving guns.

The reason why we don't target civilians is because it would be in direct violation of treaty/legal obligations, not because american conservatives wouldn't love eliminating lower status browns, like this guy:

Either that or because they're just fundamentally different, stupid.

 

[WelshBloke]

Either that or because they're just fundamentally different, stupid.

Still end up with a pile of dead kids.

 

[justoh]

Still end up with a pile of dead kids.

Fine. You can say that we intend the ordinary consequences of our actions, but it still isn't the motive behind the air strikes.

 

[Omar F1]

This example must not go unchecked over the global media, it's a clear and precise one about some of our communities' feeling toward the Jews, and how much degeneration our mentalities could reach.
I remember that story back when it happened, how he was hailed as a hero - by all of us, but only a couple of years ago it came to the light how they were merely a bunch of school girls, and the source was Western media not Arab.

There is a saying circulating around here that we now live in conditions worse than that era which predated the prophecy, "the ignorance age".
At least, in that age, there was absolutely no way for a "man" to kill children and go brag about it. The Arab back then had many merits that getting rare to be found nowadays.

The perpetrator isn't even from Palestinian origin btw, he is a native Jordanian, with no "lost home" or something similar from that region.

Hell, I even don't understand the so-called "Palestinian cause" anymore. Do we really want independence, and for what benefit? The Jews were still considered the enemies before 2011, but right afterward I've discovered the enemies, and it was us.
Imagine if the Jews just vanish entirely from there, God knows how many decades of fighting between the main factions, which are both evil and more and more of us are coming aware of that. The subject of finance, how much Saudi Arabia could spend over its neighbors and for how long.
Most importantly though, do we really need another dictator willing to exterminate his ruled population over the chair.

 

[ivwshane]

Fine. You can say that we intend the ordinary consequences of our actions, but it still isn't the motive behind the air strikes.

Are you sure? Because our president is on record as saying we should be killing the families of terrorists.

 

[WelshBloke]

Fine. You can say that we intend the ordinary consequences of our actions, but it still isn't the motive behind the air strikes.

Scenario (1) Action (A) causes pile of dead kids.
Scenario (2) Action (B) causes pile of dead kids.

Both actions A and B can both be seen beforehand to have a very high probability of ending up with a pile of dead kids.

Why is scenario (1) ok and scenario (2) and evil act by an abhorrent person?

 

[justoh]

Are you sure? Because our president is on record as saying we should be killing the families of terrorists.

Should or have been? Will? You're slagging off more than just Trump with that silly comment, since it would require that mostly non-sociopathic, sane individuals execute such orders. Disrespectful towards the armed forces, who would be disgusted by Trump's attitude and yours.

 

[sdifox]

Sick bastard should have been executed.

As to the sick mutt being celebrated, Nethayahu defended the bombing of King David Hotel, at the memorial for the bombing. .. And the Irgun terrorists disguised themselves as Arabs to plant the bombs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

 

[twjr]

Scenario (1) Action (A) causes pile of dead kids.
Scenario (2) Action (B) causes pile of dead kids.

Both actions A and B can both be seen beforehand to have a very high probability of ending up with a pile of dead kids.

Why is scenario (1) ok and scenario (2) and evil act by an abhorrent person?

I don't disagree with the argument, but how do you change scenario (1) such that we don't end up with a pile of dead kids?

 

[Blackjack200]

Regardless of your political beliefs, the murder of innocent children should never be tolerated, let alone celebrated.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09...horror-of-trumps-highly-successful-seal-raid/

"'Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies.' Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. Thank you."

The chamber rose in a standing ovation that lasted more than a minute and a half. As it came to an end the president added: "Ryan is looking down right now, you know that, and he's very happy, because I think he just broke a record," referring to the applause.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...nt-of-speech-trump-addresses-navy-seals-widow

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't disagree with the argument, but how do you change scenario (1) such that we don't end up with a pile of dead kids?

Its not difficult. I go though almost every day without causing a pile of dead kids!

 

[PokerGuy]

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09...horror-of-trumps-highly-successful-seal-raid/

"'Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies.' Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. Thank you."

The chamber rose in a standing ovation that lasted more than a minute and a half. As it came to an end the president added: "Ryan is looking down right now, you know that, and he's very happy, because I think he just broke a record," referring to the applause.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...nt-of-speech-trump-addresses-navy-seals-widow

Oh, brilliant, so Ryan set out to murder innocent children? Can you elaborate?

 

[PokerGuy]

Its not difficult. I go though almost every day without causing a pile of dead kids!

Do you also have the duty to seek out and eliminate terrorists who seek to kill others and have no qualms about putting themselves in situations where innocents can be used as shields? If you know how to seek out and eliminate the bad guys without any chance of loss of life for innocents, I'm sure there are a lot of people who'd love to hear about it.

 

[stormkroe]

Scenario (1) Action (A) causes pile of dead kids.
Scenario (2) Action (B) causes pile of dead kids.

Both actions A and B can both be seen beforehand to have a very high probability of ending up with a pile of dead kids.

Why is scenario (1) ok and scenario (2) and evil act by an abhorrent person?

Don't you also hate how when someone drives a truck into a crowd on purpose to kill people, and when someone has an accident on the highway and kills people are exactly the same thing? Action causes a bunch of dead people: all you need to know.

 

[yoddle]

I think there's enough hate motivated killings. These people normally are mentally ill and easily motivated to perform acts of brutality. They should be universally condemned whichever nationality they came from.

They really need professional help.

 

[Jaskalas]

Scenario (1) Action (A) causes pile of dead kids.
Scenario (2) Action (B) causes pile of dead kids.

Both actions A and B can both be seen beforehand to have a very high probability of ending up with a pile of dead kids.

Why is scenario (1) ok and scenario (2) and evil act by an abhorrent person?

You are ignoring the actual target and focusing only on the consequences of killing said target.
But the targets are different, and for scenario (2) we'd be taking action due to the impending act of killing they'd perpetrate.
In the case of ISIS we're fighting a genocidal group hellbent on killing everything not themselves.

There's a difference between executing a murderer VS being a murderer.
There's a difference between fighting a war of defense VS offense.
There's a difference between fighting against genocide VS fighting for genocide.

The basis of opposing your outrage begins there.
I understand the loss of life and we work to minimize it. The opponent works to maximize it. Do not compare the two.

 

[desura]

Meh, at the same time the people authorizing the military operations know that they will inevitably kill innocent civilians.

Israel shows the downside of humanitarian ideology. Like, this Palestinian thing has been dragged out for over fifty years. They lost the war, but are still hanging around. And because we the taxpayer subsidize both sides here, Israeli and Palestinian, this stupid thing just keeps on going.

Both sides would be better off if either Israel had never come to be or if Israel had completely driven off all of the Palestinians and then the Palestinians rebuilt elsewhere.

 

[madoka]

OP is racist POS that hates palestinians and arabs, thread is typical for OP racist ways.

Just for giggles, what "race" do you think I'm being racist against?

When this "terrorist" was killed he had nothing to say!

Well, Perknose banned me for a month the day she was killed, so there's that. But I didn't realize it was a requirement for me to post over every child being killed to be a non-racist.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I think it's hilarious that we treat conscious murder as if it is worse than unconscious murder. While what I'm reading in here tells me this guy wasn't a Palestinian under threat of losing his home, and that he murdered innocent school girls in cold blood for the sake of bringing attention to the conflict, it seems trivial when you consider the scale on which most deaths of war/conflict occur. I mean, you think you'd want to fix the countless number of murders that occur with barely a tinge of guilt before you worry about the handful that are widely condemned as evil. America is responsible for hundreds of thousands (probably millions actually) of deaths within the Middle East, tells you how much an apology is worth.

 

[agent00f]

Do you also have the duty to seek out and eliminate terrorists who seek to kill others and have no qualms about putting themselves in situations where innocents can be used as shields? If you know how to seek out and eliminate the bad guys without any chance of loss of life for innocents, I'm sure there are a lot of people who'd love to hear about it.

Don't you also hate how when someone drives a truck into a crowd on purpose to kill people, and when someone has an accident on the highway and kills people are exactly the same thing? Action causes a bunch of dead people: all you need to know.

Meh, at the same time the people authorizing the military operations know that they will inevitably kill innocent civilians.

Israel shows the downside of humanitarian ideology. Like, this Palestinian thing has been dragged out for over fifty years. They lost the war, but are still hanging around. And because we the taxpayer subsidize both sides here, Israeli and Palestinian, this stupid thing just keeps on going.

Both sides would be better off if either Israel had never come to be or if Israel had completely driven off all of the Palestinians and then the Palestinians rebuilt elsewhere.

Just for giggles, what "race" do you think I'm being racist against?



Well, Perknose banned me for a month the day she was killed, so there's that. But I didn't realize it was a requirement for me to post over every child being killed to be a non-racist.

The klan types sure are upset that bombing browns really pissed we're bombing them ends up killing other browns.