Remote Starts: recommendations?

Raswan

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Hey everyone,

Searched the garage here and didn't see a sticky or any substantial posts about autostarts. Winter's coming (haha) and I'm looking to put one in both our commuter cars: 2010 Elantra and a 2013 Elantra, both turn key. Dealer wants $450-550 for the 2-ways Astrostars.

Looking around for a shop to install them aftermarket instead, and so I've got two questions:

1. See poll. What do folks like: the Python 5706P or the Viper 4706? Or, recommend another. $200-250 before install is my budget, would like at least 2000 feet and a two-way indicator.

2. I've heard a million horror stories about shops installing these aftermarket and ending up with either a) some janky-ass setup, or b) something that doesn't work, labor costs soar, or doesn't last.

I'd like to buy this once and be done with it. We've got an excellent relationship with the Hyundai dealer (wife used to work there and I worked with many of them at one point over at the Ford dealership in undergrad), so if you say to stick with the dealer to simplify things I'll go along.

Thanks in advance!
 

Yuriman

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I put a 1500w electric heater in mine. Bought a cheap power cord from walmart, ran it through the firewall, and put it on a timer to come in 20 minutes before I need to leave. The car's engine isn't warmed up but even when it's 40 below zero I can get in a toasty warm cab, and it costs less in electricity to get it warm than it would in gas. The engine is warm in 5 or 6 miles down the road anyway.
 

Kaido

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My aftermarket recommendation is Viper's SmartStart system:

http://www.viper.com/smartstart/

If I remember right, you can build it like this:

1. Base Viper system (Ex. 4860V)
2. SmartStart add-on (VSM250)
3. 2-way Viper 7251V keyfob (these use LED indictators, instead of a rechargeable screen)

This was a couple years ago, the part numbers may have been updated since then. You can also add pushbutton start & RFID keys aftermarket as well:

http://www.digitalguarddawg.com/automobiles-trucks/ikey-keyless-go-systems

Note that Viper's smartphone system (not sure if you'd even want that) uses Verizon's 3G CDMA network, so make sure you have good coverage. iirc my Jeep Renegade's UConnect system uses Sprint, which rarely gets above like one bar in my area, so I don't even use remote start via the smartphone app because it almost never works.

I would recommend going to a dedicated car audio/alarm shop for the install over say Best Buy. Usually only takes a couple of hours max.
 

Raswan

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I put a 1500w electric heater in mine. Bought a cheap power cord from walmart, ran it through the firewall, and put it on a timer to come in 20 minutes before I need to leave. The car's engine isn't warmed up but even when it's 40 below zero I can get in a toasty warm cab, and it costs less in electricity to get it warm than it would in gas. The engine is warm in 5 or 6 miles down the road anyway.

A nice idea, but the wife won't be interested in this. If I were single I could see giving it a try for sure though.
 

Raswan

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My aftermarket recommendation is Viper's SmartStart system:

http://www.viper.com/smartstart/

If I remember right, you can build it like this:

1. Base Viper system (Ex. 4860V)
2. SmartStart add-on (VSM250)
3. 2-way Viper 7251V keyfob (these use LED indictators, instead of a rechargeable screen)

This was a couple years ago, the part numbers may have been updated since then. You can also add pushbutton start & RFID keys aftermarket as well:

http://www.digitalguarddawg.com/automobiles-trucks/ikey-keyless-go-systems

Note that Viper's smartphone system (not sure if you'd even want that) uses Verizon's 3G CDMA network, so make sure you have good coverage. iirc my Jeep Renegade's UConnect system uses Sprint, which rarely gets above like one bar in my area, so I don't even use remote start via the smartphone app because it almost never works.

I would recommend going to a dedicated car audio/alarm shop for the install over say Best Buy. Usually only takes a couple of hours max.

Thanks for the recommendation for a dedicated shop. I'll see if there are any in the area here (in a small town, but plenty of bigger places within an hour and a half). I'd be willing to pay up to an extra $50 for the smartphone option, so I'll keep it in mind.

I'm a little confused about the 1,2,3 list you've got here. Every "system" I've seen is a complete, works-out-of-the box deal, and you choose between one-way, two-way, LCD screen fob, etc. Seems like you are saying you can part it together any which way you want? I've only looked at third-party sellers; if you go to a dedicated shop there will be more options?

Last: what's the difference between remote start and push-button start?

Thanks Kaido.
 

Kaido

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Thanks for the recommendation for a dedicated shop. I'll see if there are any in the area here (in a small town, but plenty of bigger places within an hour and a half). I'd be willing to pay up to an extra $50 for the smartphone option, so I'll keep it in mind.

I'm a little confused about the 1,2,3 list you've got here. Every "system" I've seen is a complete, works-out-of-the box deal, and you choose between one-way, two-way, LCD screen fob, etc. Seems like you are saying you can part it together any which way you want? I've only looked at third-party sellers; if you go to a dedicated shop there will be more options?

Last: what's the difference between remote start and push-button start?

Thanks Kaido.

So, it depends on what you want to do & what your car already has. You can buy a Viper system as a kit or piecemeal, depending on how you want to approach it. So let's start with the SmartStart system because that's the techiest gadget they have. They basically offer 3 modules:
  1. SmartKey
  2. SmartStart
  3. SmartStart GPS
Here's a detailed overview of what each can do:

https://www.viper.com/smartstart/modules.aspx

The various features: (different modules have different feature support)
  • Lock/Arm
  • Unlock/Disarm
  • Remote Car Starter
  • Trunk Release
  • Panic
  • Aux Channels Compatible
  • Viper Motor Club
  • SmartPark
  • Car Location
  • Car Speed
  • Speed Alerts
  • Lockdown Alerts
  • Social Media Check-in
  • SmartFence
  • HotSpot
  • Bluetooth Connectivity
  • Car Status
  • SmartSchedule
Each module has some features, but not others. So the basic idea of the SmartKey is that it pairs to your phone's Bluetooth radio so you can unlock & lock your car automatically when you are within range. Same idea as an RFID keyfob on the newer cars...your fob/phone never leaves your pocket. For that system, you'll also need either a Viper security module or a Viper remote start system to tie it into. The next level up, SmartStart, adds a Verizon 3G SIM card so that your car can receive commands from anywhere in the world through the cellular network. The primary purpose of this is to remote-start your car with your smartphone (that way you don't have to be in line-of-sight range to remote-start it). It also does keyless entry like the SmartKey, except it lets you do it from the app over 3G/Wi-Fi instead of Bluetooth (note that it can take a minute or two to unlock via 3G because it has to send the signal through the cellular network). The SmartStart GPS adds GPS tracking to the 3G system, so you can do things like find your car Lojack-style, check the speed, and setup a GeoFence, which are useful features if you have a teen driver that you want to keep an eye on, or just want some extra security for your car in case in gets stolen - it's basically like Find my iPhone for your car, pretty sweet. Also, you can use your Apple Watch or Android Wear watch to start your car, which is pretty cool too. The regular app works on iPhones, Androids, Blackberries, and Windows phones.

Now, aside from SmartStart, Viper sells 3 other types of systems:
  1. Keyless entry
  2. Remote start
  3. Security
If your car has power locks but not a remote-control keyfob, you can buy a keyless entry system to add that feature. You can add remote start via keyfob as well, if your car doesn't have it. And you can add a security system to your car as well. These systems can also talk to the SmartStart system, depending on how you want to hook them all up. For example, SmartStart is cool because you can remote-start your car from your phone, but it's annoying to use simply to lock & unlock your car because of the 3G delay - whereas the SmartKey system uses Bluetooth, so when you walk up & or leave, the car will lock, which is way more convenient. So if you get a SmartStart system, it's also a good idea to get a keyfob for keyless entry, because then you can just use your keyfob in your pocket to instantly lock/unlock the car like a remote control for a TV. You can also look into integrating other third-party control systems. One is a pushbutton start, which replaces the key with a pushbutton, so when your RFID key is inside the car, it will let you simply push the button in the car to start it up, which is cool. You can also install a PKE system (passive keyless entry), which is kind of like the Bluetooth system in the SmartKey, but uses RFID chips to unlock the car when you walk up:

http://www.digitalguarddawg.com/automotive/passive-keyless-entry

Right now, I don't have anything in my car because it came with everything built-in. I have a 2015 Jeep Renegade, which has:
  1. RFID keyfobs: These have a hidden built-in key for emergencies, built-in remote control buttons for backup, and an RFID chip inside. When I walk up to the car, it automatically unlocks because it detects the chip from a couple feet away. When I leave, there is a tiny pushbutton on the exterior doorhandles to lock the door. It also has remote-start from the keyfob.
  2. Pushbutton start: When the RFID key is inside of the car (crosses the sensors in the door threshold), I can push the Start button to start up the car. Super convenient. My key never leaves my pocket.
  3. UConnect: This is the entertainment (radio) system, which uses Sprint's (crummy) 3G network. It lets me remote-start the car from my phone, as well as lock/unlock it. That's handy if I lose my keys or whatever, or if I'm inside a building & don't want to run up to the window to remote-start the car.
The Viper system is a bit more powerful in two ways: one, the SmartKey system will auto-lock the car when you walk away from it (I have to push a button to lock), and two, it has GPS tracking on the SmartStart GPS. Now, my UConnect system can add GPS tracking, but it's $150 a year for that service. Viper also charges annually, depending on what service package you want to go with - it's the same idea as paying for a cell phone for data:

https://www.viper.com/smartstart/serviceplans.aspx

There are basically two packages:
  1. Secure: ($70/yr or $170/3-yrs) Includes remote lock/unlock, remote start, Viper Motor Club, and SmartSchedule.
  2. GPS Premium: ($100/yr or $240/3-yrs, requires the GPS module) Includes the Secure plan, plus car location/speed, speed/lockdown alerts, and SmartFence.
So in your situation, you have to do 2 things:
  1. Decide what set of features you want to add to your car
  2. Decide if you want a 3G service plan (monthly or annual fee)
Like if you car already has an alarm system, then you don't need to add that. But if your car only has power locks but no keyfob, you can add that. If you want to remote-start your car & have Lojack-style tracking, you can add that via the GPS module, but you'll need the parts, installation fee, plus a monthly or annual fee for the cell phone chip inside the unit. It's a little confusing at first, but once you compare what your car has to what features you want out of the features that are available, you can price it out & get a quote on everything. Like, you can go nuts & buy everything: add a pushbutton start, add SmartKey for Bluetooth lock/unlock, add SmartStart GPS for cellular tracking & remote start/lock/unlock, add a couple of 2-way keyfobs, etc. All depends on how much you want to spend & what features you want, keeping in mind that the 3G stuff requires a recurring fee for the service charge.
 
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T2urtle

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I have a 2 way viper remote start. The remote with led and sound confirmation.

It's been on the car for 3-5 years. Flawless operations. Range is about a city block or 4 floors up in an office building with no direct view of ur car.

2 minor issues, first being the remote design but an email to viper and they sent me brand new pthyon remote. Second issue is the led remote battery last me about 20-35 days. It uses 2 coin battery cr2016 for me.

I've tried bull email battery and nice $3 each fresh duracell ones from bestbuy/walmart. No difference, 1 month average. My non led 1way remote last 3 months on average. So I use that in summer and led remote in winter time.

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Zivic

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im a fan of compustar 2-way systems. I have a good local installer and have used them in numerous vehicles over the yrs. really the only system I would use on my personal vehicles
 

QueBert

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I have the high end Viper with the OLED screen. One of the cheapest feeling FOB's I've ever used, especially considering how much $$$ it cost me. If I had done more research I would have went with a Compustar. Much longer range and a way nicer feeling FOB.

The screen cover on the 4706's cheap plastic just like mine. With keys dangling on on it's only a matter of a few months before it'll look like total hell. If you go Viper I'd suggest getting a screen protector. The replacement FOB's aren't easy to find always, and they're expensive. The one for mine's like $150.
 

Raswan

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Thanks everyone for the comments--especially Kaido. That clears up a bunch of stuff for me. The 3G/4G service is certainly going to be too fancy for us, but it's nice to know it exists for down the road. Probably the same for the RFID, though that's nice enough a feature that I'm willing to drop a bit more money on a system if I can find one to include it.

Seems like people are saying the Viper fobs are a little cheap in terms of construction, which is good to know.

Time to start searching around I suppose for a system and an installer.
 

Kaido

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Thanks everyone for the comments--especially Kaido. That clears up a bunch of stuff for me. The 3G/4G service is certainly going to be too fancy for us, but it's nice to know it exists for down the road. Probably the same for the RFID, though that's nice enough a feature that I'm willing to drop a bit more money on a system if I can find one to include it.

Seems like people are saying the Viper fobs are a little cheap in terms of construction, which is good to know.

Time to start searching around I suppose for a system and an installer.

Based on looking at the latest stuff & the comments, I'd lean towards Compustar. You can always add modules later...RFID, pushbutton start, 3G remote & tracking, etc.
 

QueBert

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Thanks everyone for the comments--especially Kaido. That clears up a bunch of stuff for me. The 3G/4G service is certainly going to be too fancy for us, but it's nice to know it exists for down the road. Probably the same for the RFID, though that's nice enough a feature that I'm willing to drop a bit more money on a system if I can find one to include it.

Seems like people are saying the Viper fobs are a little cheap in terms of construction, which is good to know.

Time to start searching around I suppose for a system and an installer.

95% of the time now I cannot see the screen on my FOB at all because it's so washed out. I'm not sure if the monochrome one suffers from the same fate. It's mostly useless to me now, and it's $150'ish to buy a new one. Oh, and Viper doesn't sell them, and none of the stereo shops around here sell just the FOB. I'd have to get it off Ebay or somewhere online. I can't speak for Compustar, but they can't possibly be as bad as Viper when it comes to finding replacement parts. It's also annoying that I have a 2 way alarm, but the 2nd FOB without a screen's only 1 way. But maybe this is how Compustar does it too, I dunno. I find it especially annoying because my alarm has a range of a mile or something, and with the 2nd FOB I get no confirmation that pressing the button did anything. And worse I can't even find any info from Viper on if the 2nd FOB has the same range. While it should, it wouldn't surprise me if it only has the basic few hundred feet range of normal alarms.

*GETTING A COMPUSTAR SOON* lol.
 
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