Repeal 2.5GPM shower head law, now!

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DrPizza

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Why don't you just install a nice 500 gallon hot tub. Take a quick shower before getting in, to help keep down on the work the filter does; maintain the right pH values, etc. Bromine instead of Chlorine, and you're good to go. Nothing beats a hot tub & bottle of wine for relaxation. In fact, I was just pondering slipping on some slippers & a robe, and wandering out into the 3 Freedom degree air, sliding into the hot tub, and staring up at the stars. Very very starry tonight with the cold air and low humidity.
 
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MarkXIX

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Good thing my brother is a plumber. He knows all the tricks and good shit.

I have drilled out a shower head before to increase the flow.
 

EliteRetard

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I'm confused, whats the issue with 1.6-2 gpm? I've even used 1 gpm showers, I still get wet. At full pressure they can just about blast your hair off, no issue removing dirt or soap. The lower flow showers also make the 10-15 gallons of hot water last longer.

Maybe I've never used 2.5gpm so I don't know the difference, but I have no issues even with the lowest flow rates. Me thinks you guys like to waste money and resources so nobody else can have it. 500 gallon bath LOL! That's well over a month of showers.
 

sportage

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Do you like kids?
Do you believe in protecting kids?
Kids jumping into scalding hot showers, and the lawsuits that followed, were no doubt a major part of this.
For some time, many many many years now, shower control handles have had a "limiter" installed.
Its inside the wall, behind the control handle.
Its settings restrict how far the control can be turned towards HOT, thus limiting how hot that shower stream can get.
Why?
Because kids had this tenancy for jumping into scalding hot showers, and plenty of adults too, and adding that adjustable hot water "limiter" thingy was government mandated.
Kind of like seat belts in cars.
But you'll have to dismantle your shower to get to the limiter, or to locate it.

I'm just guessing here, this was not only an government attempt at reducing kids getting 3rd degree burns, and adults too, but reducing the lawsuits that followed.

Yeah sure, big bad goberment. Yada Yada Yada.
But.... tell me not that should YOUR kid jump into a scalding hot shower, that you would be the first to run straight to a lawyer seeking financial revenge?
We know how you are... Do you know how you are?
That big bad goberment knows exactly how you are.
And they try, oh they do try, to help you out and protect against 3rd degree burns.

Why would any kid, or adult, even jump into a scalding hot shower before doing a simple water temp test?
The big bad goberment probably asked that very same question as well, before forced into action.

No. Rarely does a government want to step in on something so minor as hot water in a shower or the water stream produced by a shower head.
It takes lawsuits as well as great lack of common sense from the public before the government finds itself in the awkward position of getting involved.

And I'm sure the companies that manufacture plumbing equipment would rather just stick up a warning label.
But heck... who reads warning labels when your 10 years old or an adult in a rush late for work?

And I'm sure car companies would rather people not drive drunk, tending to run head-on into other cars or telephone poles.
And not need to install seat belts.
And the government would rather people never get into car crashes as well.
But they do, and heads tend to pop off when flung through a windshield.
And so big bad gobernment must step in.
And I'm sure ambulance staff do become a little weary from scraping eyeballs off the pavement.
.
.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Do you like kids?
Do you believe in protecting kids?
Kids jumping into scalding hot showers, and the lawsuits that followed, were no doubt a major part of this.
For some time, many many many years now, shower control handles have had a "limiter" installed.
Its inside the wall, behind the control handle.
Its settings restrict how far the control can be turned towards HOT, thus limiting how hot that shower stream can get.
Why?
Because kids had this tenancy for jumping into scalding hot showers, and plenty of adults too, and adding that adjustable hot water "limiter" thingy was government mandated.
Kind of like seat belts in cars.
But you'll have to dismantle your shower to get to the limiter, or to locate it.

I'm just guessing here, this was not only an government attempt at reducing kids getting 3rd degree burns, and adults too, but reducing the lawsuits that followed.

Yeah sure, big bad goberment. Yada Yada Yada.
But.... tell me not that should YOUR kid jump into a scalding hot shower, that you would be the first to run straight to a lawyer seeking financial revenge?
We know how you are... Do you know how you are?
That big bad goberment knows exactly how you are.
And they try, oh they do try, to help you out and protect against 3rd degree burns.

Why would any kid, or adult, even jump into a scalding hot shower before doing a simple water temp test?
The big bad goberment probably asked that very same question as well, before forced into action.

No. Rarely does a government want to step in on something so minor as hot water in a shower or the water stream produced by a shower head.
It takes lawsuits as well as great lack of common sense from the public before the government finds itself in the awkward position of getting involved.

And I'm sure the companies that manufacture plumbing equipment would rather just stick up a warning label.
But heck... who reads warning labels when your 10 years old or an adult in a rush late for work?
?
?

Burning kids? Whaa? There is this knob on your water heater. According to legend, it is used to control hot water temperature.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Do you like kids?
Do you believe in protecting kids?
Kids jumping into scalding hot showers, and the lawsuits that followed, were no doubt a major part of this.
For some time, many many many years now, shower control handles have had a "limiter" installed.
Its inside the wall, behind the control handle.
Its settings restrict how far the control can be turned towards HOT, thus limiting how hot that shower stream can get.
Why?
Because kids had this tenancy for jumping into scalding hot showers, and plenty of adults too, and adding that adjustable hot water "limiter" thingy was government mandated.
Kind of like seat belts in cars.
But you'll have to dismantle your shower to get to the limiter, or to locate it.

I'm just guessing here, this was not only an government attempt at reducing kids getting 3rd degree burns, and adults too, but reducing the lawsuits that followed.

Yeah sure, big bad goberment. Yada Yada Yada.
But.... tell me not that should YOUR kid jump into a scalding hot shower, that you would be the first to run straight to a lawyer seeking financial revenge?
We know how you are... Do you know how you are?
That big bad goberment knows exactly how you are.
And they try, oh they do try, to help you out and protect against 3rd degree burns.

Why would any kid, or adult, even jump into a scalding hot shower before doing a simple water temp test?
The big bad goberment probably asked that very same question as well, before forced into action.

No. Rarely does a government want to step in on something so minor as hot water in a shower or the water stream produced by a shower head.
It takes lawsuits as well as great lack of common sense from the public before the government finds itself in the awkward position of getting involved.

And I'm sure the companies that manufacture plumbing equipment would rather just stick up a warning label.
But heck... who reads warning labels when your 10 years old or an adult in a rush late for work?

And I'm sure car companies would rather people not drive drunk, tending to run head-on into other cars or telephone poles.
And not need to install seat belts.
And the government would rather people never get into car crashes as well.
But they do, and heads tend to pop off when flung through a windshield.
And so big bad gobernment must step in.
And I'm sure ambulance staff do become a little weary from scraping eyeballs off the pavement.
.
.

what are you rambling about? none of that has anything to do with it. It's about water restrictions and general rationing.

epic supreme troll that is the OP, Felix Cat esq., lives in a drought-ridden desert such as Texas, where they demand daily watering of their non-native bermuda grass, pristine golf courses where none should ever be allowed to exist, and their 2.5gpm shower heads.

Now, I am 100% behind eradicating useless shit like bermuda grass where it does not belong, golf courses on every inch of mother earth, responsible water management everywhere (especially for idiots that live in a desert)...but I am also 100% with the OP on this:

You can pry my high flow shower head from my cold, dead hands!
/salute

(Same goes for low flow toilets--I shit bigger than most humans, and those things never ever work)
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
Mar 10, 2004
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Because kids had this tenancy for jumping into scalding hot showers, and plenty of adults too, and adding that adjustable hot water "limiter" thingy was government mandated.

Who was talking about messing with the valves or cartridge?

I thought this was about shower heads that don't flow enough water?
 

Demo24

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Aug 5, 2004
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Due to a bad water table and a bad well situation I have to watch the water usage. So I picked up one of these

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-2-Spray-Showerhead-in-Chrome-52652-PK/203124917#customer_reviews

only uses 1.8gpm but it's probably my favorite shower head I've ever used.

God I hate those, especially at some places with higher water pressures.

This has been my favorite for awhile, I guess because its 2.5gpm.


http://www.homedepot.com/p/Waterpik...nd-Shower-Faucet-in-Chrome-SM-653CG/100478619


To me its always been water pressure as the issue. At moms house on a well, and strangely redone indoor plumbing, the pressure isn't wonderful so the experience is lacking. Cities tend to be much better about it by design. When I lived in the mountains the pressure in my complex was kind of amazing and when everyone else was on break, hold on to your butts!
 

Jimzz

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I'd say much like low flow toilets, it has less to do with the restriction and more to do with people buying the cheapest shower heads they can find.

This!!!

Stop buying the economy shower heads and toilets and you will be happy.

I have all new toilets and shower heads and they work great.
 

EliteRetard

Diamond Member
Mar 6, 2006
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This!!!

Stop buying the economy shower heads and toilets and you will be happy.

I have all new toilets and shower heads and they work great.

Finally convinced the people here to get a new pair of low flush (1.28gpf) toilets for $100 a pop. Included the fill valve & flapper system, hose, seat, wax ring, and mounting hardware. And these are the taller elongated ones that are more comfortable. These are VASTLY superior to the old super wasteful ones they replaced. Again I have no idea why anybody would ever want the old wasteful and terrible toilets. Even the economy ones are such a massive improvement, there's no reason not to get them. I seriously don't understand the complaints.

The old ones had to dump 3 gallons to completely fill the bowl and get a spin going, another 3 gallons to get it to struggle down, and 3 more gallons to fill the bowl back up half way. You gotta stand there for the 5 minute flush cycle to make sure it works since 50% of the time it didn't and you flush again.

The new one is so much better designed, everything is quickly shot straight back in a giant whoosh. No waiting for the bowl to fill, no swirling around the drain, no more poop watching...it's gone before you can turn around. They're rated for and can handle over 2lbs of solid waste D:
 

IronWing

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Finally convinced the people here to get a new pair of low flush (1.28gpf) toilets for $100 a pop. Included the fill valve & flapper system, hose, seat, wax ring, and mounting hardware. And these are the taller elongated ones that are more comfortable. These are VASTLY superior to the old super wasteful ones they replaced. Again I have no idea why anybody would ever want the old wasteful and terrible toilets. Even the economy ones are such a massive improvement, there's no reason not to get them. I seriously don't understand the complaints.

The old ones had to dump 3 gallons to completely fill the bowl and get a spin going, another 3 gallons to get it to struggle down, and 3 more gallons to fill the bowl back up half way. You gotta stand there for the 5 minute flush cycle to make sure it works since 50% of the time it didn't and you flush again.

The new one is so much better designed, everything is quickly shot straight back in a giant whoosh. No waiting for the bowl to fill, no swirling around the drain, no more poop watching...it's gone before you can turn around. They're rated for and can handle over 2lbs of solid waste D:

10 million hotel customers a day say you are wrong.
 

EliteRetard

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I can't understand why they ever made toilets so short and couldn't imagine anyone ever preferring it that way. Do you cut a foot off the legs of all your chairs? Do you like falling onto your toilet and having your knees in your face? Are you 4 foot tall? Even if you're 5 foot or prefer the hover method there's still a few inches to spare with the taller ones.
 

ControlD

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I'd say much like low flow toilets, it has less to do with the restriction and more to do with people buying the cheapest shower heads they can find.

This.

I don't have any issues with either our low volume toilets or restricted shower heads. But, I did spend a little extra to make sure I got something decent.

Then again, I only weigh 160 or so. Maybe if I was making burly man shits or had 100 extra pounds to wash off it might make a difference.
 

Anubis

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I can't understand why they ever made toilets so short and couldn't imagine anyone ever preferring it that way. Do you cut a foot off the legs of all your chairs? Do you like falling onto your toilet and having your knees in your face? Are you 4 foot tall? Even if you're 5 foot or prefer the hover method there's still a few inches to spare with the taller ones.

no im 6 foot tall and I prefer the normal shorter ones, not the tiny ones. those also suck

I just find the taller ones less comfortable
and having knees up is the proper way to poop see squatty potty
 
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Never seen an issue with shower pressure... find it odd that is being discussed.....

Now pussy ass toilets... I can get behind that. Only from having to flush multiple times. It probably more so has to do with just cheap toilets that come with our home though.
 

NuclearNed

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Nobody has mentioned green washing machines yet... what is the point when you have to run the rinse cycle at least twice just to get the soap out of your clothes?
 

NutBucket

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I'd say much like low flow toilets, it has less to do with the restriction and more to do with people buying the cheapest shower heads they can find.
Completely agreed. I was happy when I saw Toto toilets in the house we bought.

Also, if you have problems flushing try eating some damn fiber....
 
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