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Darwin333

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Sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to keep from dying (pun intended).

Here is a good read on the reality of big pharma and the ACA.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obamacare-prescription-drugs-pharma-225444

So they bought and paid their way into ripping off every citizen of the US as well as bilk the hell out of the same government they bought and paid. You can see just how badly they were scared of it by how quickly they got out in front of it and how much they were willing to pay. And I don't buy the excuse that if they did put negotiation in the bill that Pharma would have bought off Democrats to go against Obama's landmark legislation.
 

ivwshane

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So they bought and paid their way into ripping off every citizen of the US as well as bilk the hell out of the same government they bought and paid. You can see just how badly they were scared of it by how quickly they got out in front of it and how much they were willing to pay. And I don't buy the excuse that if they did put negotiation in the bill that Pharma would have bought off Democrats to go against Obama's landmark legislation.

You don't buy the excuse? Because? Feelings? Do you buy the excuse that we don't have gun control laws because of the NRA's influence and pressure? But you don't believe that same pressure exists with big pharma?
 

Darwin333

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You don't buy the excuse? Because? Feelings? Do you buy the excuse that we don't have gun control laws because of the NRA's influence and pressure? But you don't believe that same pressure exists with big pharma?

Ok, so the Democrats were paid off to completely fuck over the American public and the bilk the government out of billions upon billions of dollars and it's getting increasingly worse. Is that really your argument?
 

ivwshane

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Ok, so the Democrats were paid off to completely fuck over the American public and the bilk the government out of billions upon billions of dollars and it's getting increasingly worse. Is that really your argument?

Either you didn't bother reading the article I supplied or you are attempting to buckshat this thread.
 

senseamp

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It's time for GOP to come up with their replacement, and in 2020 we will vote to keep it or go for universal Medicare.

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Darwin333

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Either you didn't bother reading the article I supplied or you are attempting to buckshat this thread.

Yes I did, bottom line was they paid a chunk of money up front and if they had put what they needed to in the bill then Pharma would have lobbied against it and gotten democrats to vote against it. If they didn't put what was needed in the bill regarding drugs then Pharma would, and did, lobby for the bill instead.
 
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It's time for GOP to come up with their replacement, and in 2020 we will vote to keep it or go for universal Medicare.

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After the train wreck that is ObamaKare why would the Republicans put a car crash forward? Just repeal it, allow insurance groups to compete nationwide and be done with it.
 

Darwin333

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It's time for GOP to come up with their replacement, and in 2020 we will vote to keep it or go for universal Medicare.

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And as I keep saying and everyone keeps avoiding and ignoring, at the current rate by 2020 we won't be able to afford the Medicare and Medicaid that we currently have.
 

werepossum

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I always found it kind of funny that Obamacare was so heavily opposed by Republican supporters, many of whom are older and consider touching social security and medicare to be a death sentence.

Other than allowing young adults to stay on their parents insurance plans until they reach 26 and accounting for pre-existing conditions, Obamacare is basically a transfer of wealth from the young to the old.
We must have missed that part. My wife's "free" wellness exam is costing us around $400. Before Obama and the Dems began helping us, her GP read all the results in house and the whole thing cost us $40. To add insult to injury, our health insurance could not conclude a contract with Memorial Health Initiative, so for every one of our doctors AND the hospitals where they have admitting privileges we have zero insurance, ever, with unlimited out of pocket expense and absolutely none of that applying to our deductible in case we ever use one of the in-network doctors or hospitals. Our health insurance now costs between $11k and $12k a year for two people, our cost and my company's cost, and for that the only possible benefits are turning a $40 paid exam into a $400 "free" exam, and providing the opportunity for doctors I've never met to treat me at hospitals I'd prefer not to visit if I need emergency treatment.

As wealth transfers go, I suggest Democrats stop patting themselves on the backs over this one. It is NOT appreciated.
 

ivwshane

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After the train wreck that is ObamaKare why would the Republicans put a car crash forward? Just repeal it, allow insurance groups to compete nationwide and be done with it.

Yes and tort reform will drive costs down as well!!

/s


Any more uninformed outbursts you'd like to add?
 

K1052

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After the train wreck that is ObamaKare why would the Republicans put a car crash forward? Just repeal it, allow insurance groups to compete nationwide and be done with it.

Uh...the president elect wants to keep the pre-existing condition requirement (among other things) from the ACA.
 

LegendKiller

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Uh...the president elect wants to keep the pre-existing condition requirement (among other things) from the ACA.

So he keeps what is most reasonable, repeals the rest. This isn't known as the "Preexisting Condition and Extended Access Care Act"
 

werepossum

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I believe the ACA needs overhauling but as a stage IV cancer patient who is still employed I am deeply worried. My insurance already costs close to 20k per year & I pay a fairly hefty premium,

I drag myself to work because COBRA will cost me 2K per month, about $200 a month more than my short term disability policy will pay me. I fear insurance caps, lifetime limits & policy termination.

If I have to leave work, I will get short & long term disability till my SSDI kicks in ( a five month wait after approval) because I am not yet 60 there will be no health insurance attached to that SSDI.

Keeping coverage for pre-existing conditions will do me no good as I won't be able to afford the premiums.

Honestly, I am scared, actually scared doesn't cover it really.
Frankly, you should be scared - there are multiple ways for you to get hosed. But really, isn't that the human condition?

Besides the possibility of losing lifetime benefits or escalating premiums specific to your situation, you might also get hosed if pharmaceutical companies stop bringing new drugs to the market because it's no longer profitable or at an acceptable loss. But thankfully, at least for you personally the drugs that may help you are probably already developed. Much easier to fund the very expensive trials required to clear a new drug showing promise than to fund its development from scratch.

Really ought to be a way to incent research on such life-saving, game-changing drugs above yet another boner pill.
 

werepossum

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How do you "negotiate" a price when only one party owns a gun? Drug companies negotiate with Europe because the cost of getting a drug on the market is mostly government approval, so something is better than nothing. Manufacturing is pennies. Drug design, on the other hand, has been on a long downhill slope in Europe. Maybe if people couldn't file billion dollar law suits when 0.01% of the population suffers an adverse reaction to an otherwise perfectly usable drug, we drug companies wouldn't need to charge obscene prices.
Agreed, but we already know how drug companies do such negotiations - by buying some of the people with control over how the gun is used. Congress should really be naming a bill requiring such negotiation as the "Enrich my war chest and family bill".
 

K1052

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So he keeps what is most reasonable, repeals the rest. This isn't known as the "Preexisting Condition and Extended Access Care Act"

While keep the good stuff and get rid of the bad is good politics that really doesn't answer the fundamental question of who/how are we going going to pay for the sick and the old who are driving cost up. High risk pools are one option that's been put forward but they certainly have their own problems plus could end up costing multiple times what has been estimated (based on state experience).
 

LegendKiller

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While keep the good stuff and get rid of the bad is good politics that really doesn't answer the fundamental question of who/how are we going going to pay for the sick and the old who are driving cost up. High risk pools are one option that's been put forward but they certainly have their own problems plus could end up costing multiple times what has been estimated (based on state experience).
There are always winners and losers in life.
 

ivwshane

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The vast majority of premium increases aren't due to those two.

Did you notice how you didn't answer the question.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/health-care-premiums-rising-obamacare/story?id=43047190

A 2015 report from consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found that insurance companies lost $2.7 billion on the individual market, in part because they had to pay for more claims than expected.

Complicating forecasts is the fact that patients who are in the top 5 percent of health care spending account for 49 percent of health care expenditures, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Additionally, when people with illnesses know that they will need more health care, they have a tendency to buy more comprehensive health insurance.
 

soundforbjt

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We in the US take far too many drugs. We use 80% of all the pain-killers produced in the world and we represent only 5% of the population. We consume 50% of all the drugs produced in the world.

We're an nation of addicts.
 

ivwshane

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Sure I did. You just don't get it

No you didn't, you bitched out and said it doesn't matter, you then made a post about life having winners and losers. I then created another post showing insurers lost a ton of money precisely because of the group you said wasn't the cause for the increase. Of course you ignored that post.

I expect that if I continue pointing out how you continue to avoid the question you'll do what you always do and report me so I'll step back and watch you buckshat this thread from afar.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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We in the US take far too many drugs. We use 80% of all the pain-killers produced in the world and we represent only 5% of the population. We consume 50% of all the drugs produced in the world.

We're an nation of addicts.

We only have the best doctors!
 

werepossum

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We in the US take far too many drugs. We use 80% of all the pain-killers produced in the world and we represent only 5% of the population. We consume 50% of all the drugs produced in the world.

We're an nation of addicts.
I think this is a lot of it. For decades, we had the most expensive health care in the world because uniquely, we could afford it. Now we increasingly cannot afford it since much of our wealth production has moved offshore and our wealth consumption, fueled by cheaper consumer goods, has exploded. Yet our medical industry continues to increase unabated, and government is consuming (mostly by mandate) an ever-increasing portion of the whole. Something has to give. We no longer generate the wealth to consume so much in medical expenses. We're going to have to become more like Canada, where if you probably don't need an MRI you won't get one. And if you are one of the tiny number who in hindsight turn out to have needed an MRI, sucks to be you.
 
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