Repealing the ACA begins...

[K1052]

I think this is a lot of it. For decades, we had the most expensive health care in the world because uniquely, we could afford it. Now we increasingly cannot afford it since much of our wealth production has moved offshore and our wealth consumption, fueled by cheaper consumer goods, has exploded. Yet our medical industry continues to increase unabated, and government is consuming (mostly by mandate) an ever-increasing portion of the whole. Something has to give. We no longer generate the wealth to consume so much in medical expenses. We're going to have to become more like Canada, where if you probably don't need an MRI you won't get one. And if you are one of the tiny number who in hindsight turn out to have needed an MRI, sucks to be you.

Adding three years to our life expectancy would be a real bummer.

A lot of the problem is the cost on the provider end, some of which is caused by the incentives we've set up. A rational coming to terms with what is appropriate at end of life is also a conversation that people don't want to have ahead of time. Do I really want to spend a couple million bucks using extraordinary measures to stay alive at my end days when I probably don't know whats going on anyway but my family is to afraid to say enough? Not really.

 

[sactoking]

After the train wreck that is ObamaKare why would the Republicans put a car crash forward? Just repeal it, allow insurance groups to compete nationwide and be done with it.

They already do compete nationwide. Companies like UnitedHealthcare, Anthem, Aetna, etc. are essentially national companies. If there is a state they're not in its by choice.

 

[LegendKiller]

No you didn't, you bitched out and said it doesn't matter, you then made a post about life having winners and losers. I then created another post showing insurers lost a ton of money precisely because of the group you said wasn't the cause for the increase. Of course you ignored that post.

I expect that if I continue pointing out how you continue to avoid the question you'll do what you always do and report me so I'll step back and watch you buckshat this thread from afar.

Insurers didn't lose a "ton of money" from people who are already offered the opportunity to have health insurance but are coverage is rejected because of a pre-existing condition, nor do they lose a ton of money from a 26yr old having extended coverage.

They lose a lot of money from pre-existing conditions offered insurance when they otherwise wouldn't have had it, when offering insurance to higher-risks non-preexisting older people, and demanding coverage of comprehensive plans when they aren't wanted or needed.

 

[ivwshane]

Insurers didn't lose a "ton of money" from people who are already offered the opportunity to have health insurance but are coverage is rejected because of a pre-existing condition, nor do they lose a ton of money from a 26yr old having extended coverage.

They lose a lot of money from pre-existing conditions offered insurance when they otherwise wouldn't have had it, when offering insurance to higher-risks non-preexisting older people, and demanding coverage of comprehensive plans when they aren't wanted or needed.

Your poor English aside. Repealing the ACA means insurance companies will lose a good chunk of those healthy payers who pay for the less healthy. So again, how will trump pay for people who have preexisting conditions (something he said he would keep), as well as those that can stay on their parents plans?

Your buckshatting is obvious, btw.

 

[LegendKiller]

Your poor English aside. Repealing the ACA means insurance companies will lose a good chunk of those healthy payers who pay for the less healthy. So again, how will trump pay for people who have preexisting conditions (something he said he would keep), as well as those that can stay on their parents plans?

Your buckshatting is obvious, btw.

Again, those who have pre-existing that would have been otherwise offered insurance, get it. Those who don't, won't.

If you don't get it, look up how many have pre-existing that get a plan based upon ACA vs those that don't.

As far as younger people, then they can pay for it through high-risk pool premiums. Otherwise, not my problem.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Again, those who have pre-existing that would have been otherwise offered insurance, get it. Those who don't, won't.

If you don't get it, look up how many have pre-existing that get a plan based upon ACA vs those that don't.

As far as younger people, then they can pay for it through high-risk pool premiums. Otherwise, not my problem.

yay! not my problem = make america great again!
you sir, are an asshole.

 

[First]

Haven't read the thread, but you must be easily fucking duped if you think they're repealing ACA in any meaningful way without a replacement that offers actual assistance to afford insurance/care. They want no part of 25M people being dropped, or at least most Repubs don't won't to deal with that boondoggle. They might do another round of fake repeals, something that doesn't actually take affect for a while, which I hear might collapse the market all by itself. But any repeal has to be coupled with replacement or they'll get killed by that "librul media!".

 

[LegendKiller]

yay! not my problem = make america great again!
you sir, are an asshole.

Hey, this is the land of equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

 

[ivwshane]

Again, those who have pre-existing that would have been otherwise offered insurance, get it. Those who don't, won't.

If you don't get it, look up how many have pre-existing that get a plan based upon ACA vs those that don't.

As far as younger people, then they can pay for it through high-risk pool premiums. Otherwise, not my problem.

I'm not sure how those with pre existing conditions would have been offered insurance when, before the ACA, people with preexisting conditions were denied insurance.

So younger voters will now pay more for insurance, despite trump promising to make healthcare cheaper and better for all?

Hmm... Looks like trumps biggest fluffer is already walking back his leaders promises.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hey, this is the land of equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

LOL, that's fucking rich, well it helps if you are, and white, anyway, or half of that combo.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not sure how those with pre existing conditions would have been offered insurance when, before the ACA, people with preexisting conditions were denied insurance.

So younger voters will now pay more for insurance, despite trump promising to make healthcare cheaper and better for all?

Hmm... Looks like trumps biggest fluffer is already walking back his leaders promises.

I DO! I DO!
Born with a congenital heart defect, and it was a joy and a half to try to find an insurer prior to the aca, and if you did, boy howdy, you better make upwards of 100k a year to afford the monthly premiums. I believe I was quoted in the $3k a month range back in 1994. Quite the deal, quite the bargain, and could an insurance company turn me away because they wanted to? You bet your fucking ass they could. I long for the good old days, yup, just me, the insurance company and absolutely no relationship with them, whatsoever.
Don't get sick now, ya hear?

 

[LegendKiller]

LOL, that's fucking rich, well it helps if you are, and white, anyway, or half of that combo.

http://www.therebel.media/debunking_white_privilege_the_economic_reality

 

[ivwshane]

http://www.therebel.media/debunking_white_privilege_the_economic_reality

I'll take random internet website that tells me what I want to hear for $200 Alex.

 

[LegendKiller]

I'll take random internet website that tells me what I want to hear for $200 Alex.

Yeah, because the hoaxing media has been so great.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'll take random internet website that tells me what I want to hear for $200 Alex.

and chock full of diversity too!

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah, because the hoaxing media has been so great.

Yeah kind of like how the media is so biased that idiots now get their news from even more biased sources. Justify your stupidity however you want, you are still an idiot.

 

[LegendKiller]

and chock full of diversity too!

Ohh noes, there needs to be a quota!

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah kind of like how the media is so biased that idiots now get their news from even more biased sources. Justify your stupidity however you want, you are still an idiot.

You keep saying that like it matters to me. I won, remember?

 

[ivwshane]

You keep saying that like it matters to me. I won, remember?

What did you win? A trophy from your mom? Aren't you just special!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Ohh noes, there needs to be a quota!

maybe a site ran by mainly white folks pushing a story about the untruths of white privilege should be looked at a little closer. But what do I know, being a middle aged white man, right?

 

[LegendKiller]

maybe a site ran by mainly white folks pushing a story about the untruths of white privilege should be looked at a little closer. But what do I know, being a middle aged white man, right?

The economic truth is too hard to bear, eh?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The economic truth is too hard to bear, eh?

yea, I feel like I've been given an unfair advantage due to my race, it shouldn't be that way.

 

[LegendKiller]

yea, I feel like I've been given an unfair advantage due to my race, it shouldn't be that way.

it isn't, but okay. Just because you feel some guilt doesn't mean it is real. Just means somebody has brainwashed you.

 

[OverVolt]

Shit you mean forcing the hospitals to finance $100million dollar electronic health record systems that actually increase inefficiencies also increased costs? Whoda-thunk!?

 

[OverVolt]

The economic truth is too hard to bear, eh?

Uh people can come up with whatever narratives they want in their life but the bottom line of a budget doesn't care and you can bitch and moan all they want until they hit $0.

Actually the bitching and moaning when you hit $0 really just indicates you didn't learn yet.