Repealing the ACA begins...

[Thump553]

Decent move, and one that should have been done by the GOP FROM THE BEGINNING. They intentionally refused to negotiate any part of the ACA despite the fact it was based in large part on Romneycare implemented successfully in MA a few years earlier. What is known as Obamacare is essentially a GOP health care solution they disavowed because it came from the evil Obama.

On the bad side, Trump seems sold on eliminating oversight by state insurance agencies, thus allowing bogus competition by out of state insurance plans. I'm afraid a lot of people are going to end up paying real money for illusory plans that don't work.

An ideal solution would be a bipartisan effort to tweak the ACA and improve it. If The Donald wants to put his giant T on it to sooth his ego, fine by me.

This is about the only potentially positive development since November 8th. I've been wondering all week when my wife and I would be uninsured again, this gives a glimmer of hope.

 

[K1052]

An ideal solution would be a bipartisan effort to tweak the ACA and improve it. If The Donald wants to put his giant T on it to sooth his ego, fine by me.

A lot of the GOP isn't going to like that one bit. I think this is going to be a huge multi-sided fight between the Dems, GOP who are afraid of the repeal consequences, GOP who want to trash can it now, and Trump who's now been making motions that he wants to keep at least parts after bashing it wholesale for a year plus.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't think anyone willmind the things he wants to keep. Such as Prexisting conditionsand keeping the kids on parents policy until 26.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Regarding the ACA. I have a hope that Trump's insecure narcissism will make him obsessed with his popularity, and therefore loathe to take actions that leave people left with no health insurance options. He's never been this publicly accountable before, so his response to constant criticism is uncharted territory for him.

Most likely, Obama sat him down and told him that he will literally have the fate of millions of people in his hands every day, and that each decision he makes will be twisted and distorted so that tens of millions of people hate him and some actually will want him dead. Later, he got a tongue lashing from Mitch McConnell, who corrected any misapprehnsions that Donald might have had about going off on his own with his own ideas. Trump looked positively shell shocked by the end of the day.

I fully realize that Trump, will be surrounded by negative dogma by far right Republican's, but he could be another Reagan: old guy who didn't like to read and let his underlings pull the levers of power while he focused on shaking hands. I expect the Republican tropes : anti abortion judges, tax cuts for corporations and high wage earners, dismantling of environmental protections. But I think that the populist promises may be long gone.

 

[agent00f]

Regarding the ACA. I have a hope that Trump's insecure narcissism will make him obsessed with his popularity, and therefore loathe to take actions that leave people left with no health insurance options. He's never been this publicly accountable before, so his response to constant criticism is uncharted territory for him.

Most likely, Obama sat him down and told him that he will literally have the fate of millions of people in his hands every day, and that each decision he makes will be twisted and distorted so that tens of millions of people hate him and some actually will want him dead. Later, he got a tongue lashing from Mitch McConnell, who corrected any misapprehnsions that Donald might have had about going off on his own with his own ideas. Trump looked positively shell shocked by the end of the day.

I fully realize that Trump, will be surrounded by negative dogma by far right Republican's, but he could be another Reagan: old guy who didn't like to read and let his underlings pull the levers of power while he focused on shaking hands. I expect the Republican tropes : anti abortion judges, tax cuts for corporations and high wage earners, dismantling of environmental protections. But I think that the populist promises may be long gone.

Quite the optimism that a person like that will have a change of heart at his age.

 

[fskimospy]

They are threatening a filibuster, problem is they passed it via reconciliation in the first place, it can be removed using the same process.

No it can't, and it was not passed through reconciliation. A package of small changes to the overall bill was passed through reconciliation, not the bill itself.

Jesus you're dumb.

 

[fskimospy]

So no mandate but a ban on pre existing condition exclusions? That sounds super smart.

For an example of how well this works look at New York State before the ACA. If you think insurance is unaffordable now just wait!!

As with so many other things it seems that Trump has put no thought into this. This is what happens when you elect a lazy person with no attention span.

 

[fskimospy]

Right now Obamacare benefits a select few at the expense of many. Everyone, whether they will admit it or not knows that the legislation as it exists is crap. It must be reformed. It is going to be reformed by the current Congress. That must become an accepted fact. This means that someone's team is going to appear to "lose". That will be at the heart of the problems surrounding the reformation process. If that aspect can't be dealt with, Obamacare will collapse. There will be no replacement until our political parties can work together.

That process needs to have an end result of more winners than losers. The hurdles will be huge and I expect the biggest of those will be tort reform. Lawyers are going to lose. Lawyers make up a huge part of the political class.

I fear that our political system has become at its core, so overwhelmingly corrupt that nothing meaningful can or ever will be done. That sentiment applies to far more than the reform of Obamacare.

It is amazing that you are, apparently without irony, calling for both parties to work together to reform the ACA. That is exactly what democrats have been calling for for the last half decade or so, only to be met with total, scorched earth opposition.

Do you guys really have memories this short or is this on purpose?

 

[senseamp]

Once you keep pre-existing conditions, you pretty much have to keep the whole thing in some form.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ning-to-face-a-rude-awakening-over-obamacare/

 

[agent00f]

Once you keep pre-existing conditions, you pretty much have to keep the whole thing in some form.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ning-to-face-a-rude-awakening-over-obamacare/

Nothing he says at this point matters. Obama was probably smart enough to complement him on something, so the Don feels conciliatory for now.

Some months down the line he'll figure out some way to make money from this, probably have of one his kids get into insurance. Mostly likely if some group had to be screwed or another benefited, it'll be whatever minority and people closest to him, respectively.

What's most revealing is that none of his fans will disagree with this. They literally give zero shits about selling out the country just to be complemented, too. The man's some kind of savant leader of insecure man-children, and I suppose that makes sense given how much they're alike.

 

[buckshot24]

No it can't, and it was not passed through reconciliation. A package of small changes to the overall bill was passed through reconciliation, not the bill itself.

Jesus you're dumb.

This is the template he follows. Makes a comment in the first paragraph then insults in the second. How pathetic do you have to be to need to call people names on the internet? Make you feel good or something?

In any case this is being talked about and one way or the other Obamacare is done. President Trump will see to it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Once you keep pre-existing conditions, you pretty much have to keep the whole thing in some form.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ning-to-face-a-rude-awakening-over-obamacare/

Or go single payer. (Which would save us all money)
A Republican approach to tell people they cannot have healthcare... is going to end badly.

 

[postmortemIA]

So far Donald is dong all the things that Hillary would do if she had won...

 

[trenchfoot]

Yes and how many broken promises or lies did Obama give us about the ACA ( Obama Care ).

If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor.
If you like your Healthcare Plan you can keep your Healthcare Plan.
The average family will save 2,500 dollars in health care.

All lies as he was making these promises. And he knew it.

Sorry, but i'm not got to argue the point you're making of which has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.

 

[buckshot24]

So no mandate but a ban on pre existing condition exclusions? That sounds super smart.

For an example of how well this works look at New York State before the ACA. If you think insurance is unaffordable now just wait!!

As with so many other things it seems that Trump has put no thought into this. This is what happens when you elect a lazy person with no attention span.

Trump is anything but lazy.

Not sure how you function on a daily basis believing such nonsense.


(Did I get your formatting right?)

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Trump is anything but lazy.

Not sure how you function on a daily basis believing such nonsense.


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well maybe. he's definitely a coward, a bully, a sexist, a racist, an adulterer, a liar, but yea, I don't see him as being lazy. You're right on that one.

 

[sxr7171]

Who really gives a fuck what laws are replaced/retitled at this point unless the insurance companies are somehow going to be reined in. The shits always going to get more expensive, it's not going to stop.

Yep the damage is done. My premiums tripled and I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade. My claims have been $0. That low premium I had 3 years ago I had to kiss goodbye. It will never come back.

Can I get a discount for eating healthy, having a BMI of 22, normal BP, excersing and taking vitamins daily?

 

[CitizenKain]

That will learn us.

Trump supporters are too stupid to learn this the usual way, so this will have to do.

 

[buckshot24]

Trump supporters are too stupid to learn this the usual way, so this will have to do.

That really hurts my feelings.

Wait, no it doesn't. President-Elect Trump winning makes me too happy to have my feelings hurt. Also that Hillary Clinton's career has been ended helps too.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump is anything but lazy.

Not sure how you function on a daily basis believing such nonsense.

(Did I get your formatting right?)

Nice job ignoring the substance. He has shown himself to be incredibly lazy when it comes to the work of governance. Despite having a year and a half to familiarize himself with the issues he will have to face he still makes basic factual errors. His own advisors said they doubted he had the patience and ability to sit down and educate himself about the issues because he simply lacks the attention span.

Smart move on picking someone like that, haha.

 

[buckshot24]

Nice job ignoring the substance. He has shown himself to be incredibly lazy when it comes to the work of governance. Despite having a year and a half to familiarize himself with the issues he will have to face he still makes basic factual errors. His own advisors said they doubted he had the patience and ability to sit down and educate himself about the issues because he simply lacks the attention span.

Smart move on picking someone like that, haha.

He'll be just as much your president as he will be mine. Enjoy the ride.

He isn't lazy, that was simply false though. I guarantee he isn't going to golf as much as Obama did.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He'll be just as much your president as he will be mine. Enjoy the ride.

He isn't lazy, that was simply false though. I guarantee he isn't going to golf as much as Obama did.

Probably a safe bet to take more vacations than Bush (the 2nd) so he can set a new record for the rubes like you to be happy about.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He'll be just as much your president as he will be mine. Enjoy the ride.

He isn't lazy, that was simply false though. I guarantee he isn't going to golf as much as Obama did.

How will you guarantee that? I mean the fuckwit has numerous golf courses around the world, in fact, he's a proponent of fighting climate change due to the deterioration of the coastline in Ireland. How's that for doublespeak from drumpf?
So, like are you willing to put large sums of money up as a guarantee?

 

[buckshot24]

How will you guarantee that? I mean the fuckwit has numerous golf courses around the world, in fact, he's a proponent of fighting climate change due to the deterioration of the coastline in Ireland. How's that for doublespeak from drumpf?
So, like are you willing to put large sums of money up as a guarantee?

Obviously golf course ownership didn't inhibit President Obama so I'm not sure how that matters in the least.

That golf course thing is about as dumb of a thing for you to harp on as can be. You've gone insane.

What is he going to do fight the local government on climate change or use their biases to get what he wants done? I hope you get the help you need during the next 4 years.

 

[buckshot24]

Probably a safe bet to take more vacations than Bush (the 2nd) so he can set a new record for the rubes like you to be happy about.

We will see, did you ride that moose yet?