Replaced TI4600 with GT6600...............

[slick2005]

after installing the new card and reinstalling DX, my nforce chipset drivers, installing the 66.93 drivers, my system shows little if any improvment playing Battlefield, Half life 2 etc. I benchmarked it before the upgrade with 3DMark 2001 and before it was 13100, after the best I could get was 13800, hardly an improvement, here are my specs

XP2700, 333FSB
Epox MB with nforce2 400 chipset
1 GB crucial 2700DDR ram
enlight 430 watt power supply

Should i see a big improvement with this card or with my current processor is this all im going to get using any card upgrade?

 

[PingSpike]

Well, 3dmark01 is a directx8.1 app I think...not sure but its definately not dx9. So in theory that might be a reasonable change. And BF is an older application as well...but I would have thought you would have seen a good HL2 boost if anything.

That doesn't really seem right to me, even with a lower end CPU. I could be wrong though.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: slick2005
after installing the new card and reinstalling DX, my nforce chipset drivers, installing the 66.93 drivers, my system shows little if any improvment playing Battlefield, Half life 2 etc. I benchmarked it before the upgrade with 3DMark 2001 and before it was 13100, after the best I could get was 13800, hardly an improvement, here are my specs

XP2700, 333FSB
Epox MB with nforce2 400 chipset
1 GB crucial 2700DDR ram
enlight 430 watt power supply

Should i see a big improvement with this card or with my current processor is this all im going to get using any card upgrade?

Processor is bottlenecking the card. 6600GT is more powerful than a 9800XT, so it should be more than double the performance of a Ti4600. However, you only have an Athlon XP 2700+ at the moment, which is a good matchup for Ti4600 or a 9700Pro, but a bit slow for things that came after. Sorry....guess you just need a system wide upgrade.

 

[McArra]

Try 3dMark03 and tell us the score, It should help us.

 

[bradyapba]

Slick,

I dont know about mark2001, i never used it. But it is older, i might try mark2003 and see your scores.


Yoru are definately not CPU limited and you should see a marked improvement.

I can tell you my experience with a similar setup and mark03.

I had a a XP2200, with only 512 megs of ram, and i had a ti4200.

In mark03, i was getting a score of around 1500 with the ti4200. When i upgraded to a 6800nu i got scores around 8000.

And i was in the process of building a new computer as well. So when I built the new system(a64 3000+, 1 gig dual channel pnp ram, etc) I thought I would throw in the old ti4200 in it 1st to see what score i would get with the new system and the old card, to see how much the old system was limiting me.

So in the new system with the ti4200 i got scores around 1800. So as you can see, the CPU doesn't limit you that much. When i threw in the 6800, i got scores near 10,000.


I also saw a marked improvement on how i could play hl2. I was able to turn on a lot more eye candy, and AA as well.

So yeah you should see an improvement.

Why your NOT seeing an improvement, i dont know. Might try uninstalling all the drivers, and starting fresh.

Chris

 

[paladiin]

With the power of those cards, you're simply benchmarking your CPU with 3DMark01. No wonder you didn't see an improvement.

I'd say run 3DMark05, but oh yeah, your 4600 can't even run it. It requires a DX9 compliant video card.

So try 3DMark03. You'll see the difference there.

 

[Gentle]

Many people have forgotten one important thing with the Geforce 6600GT AGP cards.

To plug the power plug into the connector on the card.

The AGP version of the 6600GT requires this.

Did you do this?

Gentle

 

[slick2005]

Yes I plugged in the power plug, Putting the benchmarks aside, im also judging from performance, my game just dont seem to run any faster, is the XP2700 bottlenecking my system?

 

[Gentle]

Possibly...

I just ran the tests.

AMD Athlon XP 2100+
1 gig system ram
Geforce 6600GT AGP 571 MHz core/1140 MHz memory

3dMark2001SE 11,338
3dMark03 7,831
3dMark05 3,432

Gentle

 

[magratton]

Your CPU is bottlenecking somewhat yes, but only somewhat. I think the consensus is try 3DMark03 and that will give you the answers you need.

 

[Rage187]

your cpu and 333 ram are your bottlenecks.

 

[QuestionsandAnsweres]

it depends on the game really... the TI4600 was a great directx 8 card. Playing directx 8 stuff you should see an improvement with a 6600GT but you will be CPU limited here. Now in HL2 thats weird. You should see a huge improvement. But the thing is you have direct X 9 features now turned on in HL 2 and before u had directx 8... SO it should run faster and look better wiht your new card. Your definatly CPU limited. But in current games you should see a HUGE improvement.

 

[asm0deus]

reinstall everything

 

[Pete]

What resolution are you playing at? The 6600GT is best suited for 1024x768 with AA+AF, and it should be noticably faster than a 4200 at those settings. Half-Life 2 should also show a huge improvement over a 4200 at basically any setting except DX7 mode.

 

[slick2005]

800-600

 

[QuestionsandAnsweres]

thats your problem...

800x600 u wont see a difference. CPU limited there. Higher you crank your resolution the more it becomes video card dependent... Crank the resolution up to atleast 1024x768...

 

[bradyapba]

1. he doesn't have 333 megs of ram. Hes got 1 gig.
2. His performance is not being limited by the CPU where he shouldn't see a huge improvement. Is he being limited by the CPU a little? Of course he is. But we all are. Unless you have an $800 fx-55, you system will always limit you a little.


That being said, you should see a big difference. Its hard to tell if its at least working right, until we see some 3dmark03 scores.... 3dmark01 is too old to give us a proper idea. Please run 03, and give us your score. assuming they are in the ballpark of where your system and card should fall (7,000-8,000) we then know its probably somewhere in the game.


Now your running at 800x600. Its probably not going to show a lot of improvement at that level. You probably will not notice a speed difference, becuase its probably running smooth already at that low level. What you should be able to notice is, you can turn all the details up on high, have a lot of eye candy, and turn up the resolution some, and still have it run smoothly.

At 800x600 your probably already getting 60 fps with the ti4600. With the 6600gt your probably getting 80-90fps... but its not noticable becuase 60 runs just as smooth as 90 to the eye.

So run 3dmark03, and lets go from there.

 

[Darth Farter]

what questionsandanswers & bradyapba said.

still don't believe us?

put your 4600ti (of which you hurt it's pride by running at 800x600 all that time?!) back in, turn the resolution un to the community standard 1024x768 or better yet 1600x1200 (both with 4xAA and 8xAF enabled) and see how your "game" runs compared to the 6600GT.

and once and for all, 3dmark2k1 is NOT a good comparison for cards anymore since beginning 2003.

that's why they put out 3dmark2003 & 3dmark2005. use them for those comparisons

 

[slick2005]

Am I wasting my time upgrading the card with the XP2700 CPU???

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: slick2005
Am I wasting my time upgrading the card with the XP2700 CPU???

C'mon!! People is trying to help you! Try what we are saying and you'll see it!!! And NO, IS NOT A WASTE. We are trying to see if there really is a problem so PLEASE make what we are suggesting!!

 

[bradyapba]

Slick,

are you reading what I am writing at all? You are not limited by your CPU. Get that idea out of your head. YOu should notice a HUGE improvement.

I was in your SAME boat. But I had an ever LESSER system than you. I only had a XP2200, with only 512 meg of cheap ram.

i saw a HUGE performance increase. MONSTER. So have others.


YOu need to do some of the testing we have suggested to help you out further. 1st we need to know your mark03 scores. Then we will work on your HL2 settings.

My guess as is others, your just playing HL2 at too low of a setting to notice a difference.


You are in no way CPU limited.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Forget 3DMARK03, try running 05 instead, then try running it with your old 4600, you'll find that it won't work And what resolutions are you playing your games at? That may have something to do with it, because if you're at 1024 x 768 with no AA/AF you're not using the 6600GT to its potential.

 

[LTC8K6]

You would see a difference if you would push the cards a little. When pushed, the 4600 will fall on it's face way before the 6600GT. You will have to up the resolution and detail to see the difference.

You can probably even see the difference in 3dm2001se if you will run the benchmarks with the quality and res turned up.

 

[LTC8K6]

Slick saw another guy with a problem and RMA'd the card.

:roll:

 

[McArra]

OK, this seems like a joke. I won't try to help this guy again.