Report: Xbox 360 successor can tolerate only brief Internet interruptions

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Sonikku

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This move might even work if Xbox's primary sales region was South Korea.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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If they live in a rural area without internet, they wouldn't be following him on twitter in the first place. So, he just making fun of people who can't even see they are being made fun of. No harm done.

The ESRB is completely voluntary but your game will never be sold without a rating, or an AO (Adult Only) rating.

People in rural areas might get reception on a cell tower but have no broadband access from the telco.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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Oh come on people. I was making a joke about the rural area people not being able to see the tweets...
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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Oh come on people. I was making a joke about the rural area people not being able to see the tweets...

Yes but it really didn't work because I know people in the situation I described. They have no cable (they have to use satellite TV) and have no DSL that far outside the city. So no broadband. They have a 3G modem for their laptop and that's it. With a very low data cap they can only really check email and read news and maybe go on youtube.
 

Anteaus

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Oct 28, 2010
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I'm probably stirring the pot a little bit but I think it's funny how people talk about gaming like it's a right or something. I'm not indifferent to concerns about mandating internet connectivity, but at the end of the day wouldn't it just be simpler to walk away from gaming when it becomes too much of a burden technologically?

Like it or not the internet has become to gaming what the television is to CBS. The future of gaming means complete integration with the internet and people who don't have access to broadband are simply going to be left out in the cold. Maybe not today, but 5-10 years from now its virtually guaranteed. This isn't much different from my friend who can't get cable because he lives out in the country. There is an opportunity cost to living in places that don't have decent internet access. Not gaming just might be the price to be paid in the case.

I personally don't like it, but I'm not naive thinking that if I bang my fists hard enough they will avoid doing it. There are too many financial perks to being able to monitor gaming activities and pushing advertising to gamers in real time. Game consoles are no longer single purpose devices. They are media distribution devices and developers/publishers rely on connectivity to coax you into buying things, whether it be games, movies, music, or whatever. To do that, they need you plugged in.

Until the next gen consoles ship I'm certain the PR machine will downplay DRM requirements for future games but I'd put money down that once enough consoles are released they will transition into full activation.

People bulked at Steam when it first came out. The idea that games required activation through them was repugnant to many people at first but over time it simply became the norm. It's hard for some PC gamers to admit but PC gaming was at a low point and Steam was one of the big reasons why it came back so strong.

MS and Sony want XBL and PSN respectively to become the console equivilant to Steam and that won't happen until developers/publishers start requiring gamers to flow through it. The downside is internet requirements, but the upside are games that never go out of print and the potential for discounts that no storefront would ever agree to.

Ultimately my point is that no amount of debating will change it. In 3-5 years console gaming will be where PC gaming is today in regards to game activation and connectivity. It won't matter whether people refuse to purchase consoles or not, or whether 30% of gamers can't play because they are on crappy connections. The internet is the future.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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Yeah that's all well and good but what about the fact that you're biggest competitor came out and said that their system does not require Internet to function out of the box?

Just the other day my Internet was down for 12 hours. In that 12 hours I played a lot of games since my TV was also out at the same time (cable was in maintenance or something). To have no access to my game library during a time like this due to some company wanting to push advertising is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
 

Sulaco

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Mar 28, 2003
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I'm probably stirring the pot a little bit but I think it's funny how people talk about gaming like it's a right or something. I'm not indifferent to concerns about mandating internet connectivity, but at the end of the day wouldn't it just be simpler to walk away from gaming when it becomes too much of a burden technologically?

Like it or not the internet has become to gaming what the television is to CBS. The future of gaming means complete integration with the internet and people who don't have access to broadband are simply going to be left out in the cold. Maybe not today, but 5-10 years from now its virtually guaranteed. This isn't much different from my friend who can't get cable because he lives out in the country. There is an opportunity cost to living in places that don't have decent internet access. Not gaming just might be the price to be paid in the case.

I personally don't like it, but I'm not naive thinking that if I bang my fists hard enough they will avoid doing it. There are too many financial perks to being able to monitor gaming activities and pushing advertising to gamers in real time. Game consoles are no longer single purpose devices. They are media distribution devices and developers/publishers rely on connectivity to coax you into buying things, whether it be games, movies, music, or whatever. To do that, they need you plugged in.

Until the next gen consoles ship I'm certain the PR machine will downplay DRM requirements for future games but I'd put money down that once enough consoles are released they will transition into full activation.

People bulked at Steam when it first came out. The idea that games required activation through them was repugnant to many people at first but over time it simply became the norm. It's hard for some PC gamers to admit but PC gaming was at a low point and Steam was one of the big reasons why it came back so strong.

MS and Sony want XBL and PSN respectively to become the console equivilant to Steam and that won't happen until developers/publishers start requiring gamers to flow through it. The downside is internet requirements, but the upside are games that never go out of print and the potential for discounts that no storefront would ever agree to.

Ultimately my point is that no amount of debating will change it. In 3-5 years console gaming will be where PC gaming is today in regards to game activation and connectivity. It won't matter whether people refuse to purchase consoles or not, or whether 30% of gamers can't play because they are on crappy connections. The internet is the future.

As was essentially stated above, that argument basically goes right out the window when you realize that there is a direct competitor with a very similar, perhaps even superior, product that does not have the same requirement.

You can tell people "Oh, well, that's just the wave of the future. Get used to it", and it probably is. But it isn't right now. And if your direct competition can offer up something that competes with you in every other way, without your self-imposed obstacles, you are likely going to suffer in the marketplace.
 

Anteaus

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As was essentially stated above, that argument basically goes right out the window when you realize that there is a direct competitor with a very similar, perhaps even superior, product that does not have the same requirement.

You can tell people "Oh, well, that's just the wave of the future. Get used to it", and it probably is. But it isn't right now. And if your direct competition can offer up something that competes with you in every other way, without your self-imposed obstacles, you are likely going to suffer in the marketplace.

Which competitor is that? I don't believe for a second that MS and Sony are going to tell any developer that they can't require connectivity or activation for games. It's PR doublespeak. I'm not saying that an persistant internet connection will be required, but game activation via code? We shall see.
 

Sulaco

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Which competitor is that? I don't believe for a second that MS and Sony are going to tell any developer that they can't require connectivity or activation for games. It's PR doublespeak. I'm not saying that an persistant internet connection will be required, but game activation via code? We shall see.

Yes, we shall. This is all pure conjecture, so who knows.

But the scuttlebutt right now is that the NextBox will not work at all in a game environment, if the internet connection is lost for a few minutes.
If it's BS, than great. If it's true, and the PS4 does not function that way, then I simply won't be supporting that type of business model.
I don't think I'll be alone, either.
 

StrangerGuy

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As was essentially stated above, that argument basically goes right out the window when you realize that there is a direct competitor with a very similar, perhaps even superior, product that does not have the same requirement.

You can tell people "Oh, well, that's just the wave of the future. Get used to it", and it probably is. But it isn't right now. And if your direct competition can offer up something that competes with you in every other way, without your self-imposed obstacles, you are likely going to suffer in the marketplace.

IMO, the PS4 has already won next gen. Sony sent very clear messages what the PS4 does, doesn't and what to expect; the only questions left are when and how cheap it will release this year. While MS is still fumbling in the dark, trying test themselves to how much negative FUD they can handle.
 

badb0y

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I wouldn't just give Sony the crown before we actually hear anything from MS.

If Sony launches before Microsoft, Sony wins.

The only reason Xbox 360 was so successful was because it launched before the PS3, if they both launched at the same time PS3 would have been second place in this generation too.
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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If Sony launches before Microsoft, Sony wins.

The only reason Xbox 360 was so successful was because it launched before the PS3, if they both launched at the same time PS3 would have been second place in this generation too.

That wasn't the only reason, cost of the PS3 was another large reason as well.
 

badb0y

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That wasn't the only reason, cost of the PS3 was another large reason as well.

Yea, I am pretty sure Sony and Microsoft will price their systems much closer then before. I am thinking like a $50 price differential. No where near the $600 atrocity Sony released last time.
 

Fingolfin269

Lifer
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If Sony launches before Microsoft, Sony wins.

The only reason Xbox 360 was so successful was because it launched before the PS3, if they both launched at the same time PS3 would have been second place in this generation too.

Definitely not the only reason. PS3 came out expensive as hell.
 

Anteaus

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Definitely not the only reason. PS3 came out expensive as hell.

Agreed. In addition, the 360 enjoyed an impressive game catalog even for a young console. Combine that with the fact that some of the better franchises went multiplatform and that the PS3 was slow to get solid exclusives, it's easy to see how the 360 dominated for years.

Even so, it's impressive that Sony managed to even things up in the end. They had a ton of bad press to deal with overall. MS might have had the RROD, but Sony had all sorts of PR nightmares due to BC, removed features, hacking, etc.
 

Sulaco

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Definitely not the only reason. PS3 came out expensive as hell.

That, and the PS3's early line-up was a joke. The 360's wasn't great, but it was better, and the exorbitantly high price of the PS3 doomed it early on.
 

alcoholbob

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So Xbox720 will be like Diablo 3. Nobody can play 20 hours during "server maintenance."
 

Ancalagon44

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Unless MS really pulls something good out the bag, I'll be buying the PS4. I have a 360, never had a PS3, but right now, the PS4 just looks better. I think Sony learned all of their lessons regarding hardware and ease of development.
 

Aikouka

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So Xbox720 will be like Diablo 3. Nobody can play 20 hours during "server maintenance."

I don't use XBOX Live much, but I don't recall seeing too much about maintenance windows that leave people without the service. I say that because theoretically, that's what this thing would require... a connection to XBOX Live.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Every report I see about these new systems just makes me realize it is time for me to join exdeath in the classic games only category. I will forego both new consoles thanks to their blatant greed and disregard for the gaming community.
 

American Gunner

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Every report I see about these new systems just makes me realize it is time for me to join exdeath in the classic games only category. I will forego both new consoles thanks to their blatant greed and disregard for the gaming community.
But are you still going to come here and complain about modern games? If not, then you aren't truly following him.
 

smackababy

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But are you still going to come here and complain about modern games? If not, then you aren't truly following him.

Not to mention, it isn't just classic games he loves. He hates every game that sold well. So, you have to only like obscure games from 3+ gens ago that nobody ever heard of.
 

Arkaign

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More 'news' from Forbes on this, not sure if it's anything new :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...box-needs-internet-to-live-may-have-99-model/

I think it will be clarified down somewhat. If it's too intrusive or truly prevents *any* gameplay when offline, it would spell doom for Microsoft. Even if 90% of 360 users have always-on ulimited internet hooked up, losing 10% of potential marketshare by way of this 'feature' is needlessly bleeding marketshare to Sony.

This always seems to happen though. The leader in the videogame race seems prone to effing up. Let's recap :

(1)- Atari was hands-down the leader during the first console gen era. Then they let garbage flow freely like the butchering of the E.T. franchise failure, no QC at all, ended up in the dumpster. They also didn't put appropriate resources into a next-gen movement, and attempted horribly to repackage the Atari 8-bit home computer, complete with ancient library of games, as a competitor against NES and SMS, as the Atari XE. Fail.

(2)- Nintendo failed to really see the writing on the wall with cart limits, and the N64 was late. PS1's greater flexibility wrote Nintendo into the margins during that gen, and it didn't help that N64's library was dominated by very poor '3d' versions of classics that were much worse to play than their 8 and 16 bit forebears.

(3)- Sony got cocky after dominating during the PS1/PS2 eras, and then released a late, hugely expensive console with a weak library, letting Microsoft get in the door early with the more affordable 360.

(4)- Microsoft gets cocky, after losing billions and billions forcing Xbox brand to stay alive when basically any other company would have thrown in the towel, they turned the corner with 360. If they truly release later, lower GPU, and throw in always-on DRM (conjecture but seeming more probable with this kind of news), they could really screw up. As history proves, no company has enough consumer loyalty to screw up for very long, people will move to superior options when they're available. As this list proves, if Sony wins with PS4, they'll probably botch PS5 or whatever comes after. The only double wins in history have been NES/SNES and PS1/PS2, and even during those eras excluding NES, the competition still sold plenty of hardware and software.
 

Arkaign

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Not to mention, it isn't just classic games he loves. He hates every game that sold well. So, you have to only like obscure games from 3+ gens ago that nobody ever heard of.

If that's an accurate description, then yeah that's just as illogical. Quantity of titles sold has nothing to do, negative or positive, on the actual quality of the games in question. Not only is it largely subjective, but I think we can all name great titles that sold huge, as well as pretty poor titles that sold in high volume.
 
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