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American Gunner

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At least half of what I say has to be false before its trolling...

There is nothing false about the well known stagnation of gaming this generation caused single handedly by too big for their britches publishers (EA, Activision, cough) and the over proliferation of record profit chasing casual mainstream catering dime a dozen cheap thrill PC style military shooters infecting the console industry to the detriment of all other genres and franchises.
I would consider constantly entering threads for games that you have absolutely no interest in just to continue to trash a game as trolling.
 

Sixguns

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At least half of what I say has to be false before its trolling...

There is nothing false about the well known stagnation of gaming this generation caused single handedly by too big for their britches publishers (EA, Activision, cough) and the over proliferation of record profit chasing casual mainstream catering dime a dozen cheap thrill PC style military shooters infecting the console industry to the detriment of all other genres and franchises.

Do you have nothing better to do than wave your Sony fanboy flag around in threads that arent about Sony?
 

Arkaign

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Eh yeah. I like ExDeath, I hate CoD after MW1, but I don't think it's worth my time or anyone else's for me to repeat it frequently. Who knows, maybe CoD MW4 will be ridiculously good on next-gen. I play BF3 on PC, and it makes CoD look like ColecoVision. But more important, it's fun to me personally. I think that's the bottom line. Even if we don't like something, if a lot of people play it, it means that a lot of them are having fun with it, and we can't ask for much more than that as gamers. Sure it's worth criticizing the stagnation and lack of innovation, but in the end it's other people blowing their $ on it, and if they continue to want that product, well that's just the way it is. It won't last forever, eventually CoD will wear out its welcome. Even as a BF3 fan, I may or may not actually buy BF4, I was disappointed that they're doing yet another 'modern' shooter. It's far worse than the glut of WW2 era shooters ever was. Since what, 2005ish, we've had :

CoD MW
BF2
BF2 BC2
CoD MW2
CoD Blops (not technically modern, but by weapons/play, it is)
BF3
CoD MW3
CoD Blops2

--

And those are just the major releases. There are even_more wannabes on the fringes. And of course MW4/Blops3/BF4 are on the horizons.

Of course, the existence of this glut doesn't mean that other cool stuff isn't out there. Tomb Raider, Bioshock, Hitman, Deus Ex, Witcher Series, etc, etc are also out, so it's not like there's not choices. There is also a ridiculously huge backlog of great older titles to check out. I've been going back as far as TG16, Genesis, and sp on, playing titles I never played much back in the day. Just as fun as it was 20 years ago.
 

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Do you have nothing better to do than wave your Sony fanboy flag around in threads that arent about Sony?

ExDeath is not a Sony fanboy, AFAIK. He's a classics fan and like me, not that enthused about the current state of popular gaming. He's just pretty vocal about it
 

smackababy

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Eh yeah. I like ExDeath, I hate CoD after MW1, but I don't think it's worth my time or anyone else's for me to repeat it frequently. Who knows, maybe CoD MW4 will be ridiculously good on next-gen. I play BF3 on PC, and it makes CoD look like ColecoVision. But more important, it's fun to me personally. I think that's the bottom line. Even if we don't like something, if a lot of people play it, it means that a lot of them are having fun with it, and we can't ask for much more than that as gamers. Sure it's worth criticizing the stagnation and lack of innovation, but in the end it's other people blowing their $ on it, and if they continue to want that product, well that's just the way it is. It won't last forever, eventually CoD will wear out its welcome. Even as a BF3 fan, I may or may not actually buy BF4, I was disappointed that they're doing yet another 'modern' shooter. It's far worse than the glut of WW2 era shooters ever was. Since what, 2005ish, we've had :

CoD MW
BF2
BF2 BC2
CoD MW2
CoD Blops (not technically modern, but by weapons/play, it is)
BF3
CoD MW3
CoD Blops2

--

And those are just the major releases. There are even_more wannabes on the fringes. And of course MW4/Blops3/BF4 are on the horizons.

Of course, the existence of this glut doesn't mean that other cool stuff isn't out there. Tomb Raider, Bioshock, Hitman, Deus Ex, Witcher Series, etc, etc are also out, so it's not like there's not choices. There is also a ridiculously huge backlog of great older titles to check out. I've been going back as far as TG16, Genesis, and sp on, playing titles I never played much back in the day. Just as fun as it was 20 years ago.

Oh man... 8 games in 8 years are modern shooters, which all except BF2 had a released on the PS3 IIRC. Look out! The market is so over saturated with modern shooters. How could I possible ignore one per year... Come on now. There have been thousands of games released in these past 8 years, very few were modern shooters, and very few were exclusive to Xbox 360. And it is not worse than the glut of WW2 shooters. The amount of Nazis I have killed is way more than the amount of all other groups of "realistic" shooters put together. And I much prefer modern shooters over tired old crap any day. I love using weapons that aren't 70 years old. How many times do I have to use a M1? At least the newer games use weapons from the 1970s to the 1990s. Because, let's face it, Modern Warfare should be called mid-90's warfare.
 

cmdrdredd

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Oh man... 8 games in 8 years are modern shooters, which all except BF2 had a released on the PS3 IIRC. Look out! The market is so over saturated with modern shooters. How could I possible ignore one per year... Come on now. There have been thousands of games released in these past 8 years, very few were modern shooters, and very few were exclusive to Xbox 360. And it is not worse than the glut of WW2 shooters. The amount of Nazis I have killed is way more than the amount of all other groups of "realistic" shooters put together. And I much prefer modern shooters over tired old crap any day. I love using weapons that aren't 70 years old. How many times do I have to use a M1? At least the newer games use weapons from the 1970s to the 1990s. Because, let's face it, Modern Warfare should be called mid-90's warfare.

It isn't just modern shooters, it is shooters in general. Way too many IMO and I do like some of them, I just think there are too many.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
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.45 1911 Pistol is 100+ years old

Also SMGs and semi-auto Assault Rifles are from WW2 (STGs and a huge number of SMGs). Do you really think WW2 shooters were worse? I can't think of that many major titles. We had Wolfenstein (amazing MP with RTCW and ET, great classes/objectives/pacing, the 'new' one sucked though), a few CoD games, BF1942, and that was pretty much it.

I never said anything in context of PS3 or 360 having exclusives, just that 'modern' shooters have become dime a dozen repeats of themselves. Also just MW (any title) sold probably more than every WW2 game COMBINED. It's going to wear itself thin.
 

smackababy

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It isn't just modern shooters, it is shooters in general. Way too many IMO and I do like some of them, I just think there are too many.

That is just the flavor of the current gamer generation. We had over saturation of platformers for awhile, then D&D rpgs, then JRPGs, etc. Developers are always going to try and develop what the market wants. Same goes for any industry really. There is always going to be a ton of what is popular.
.45 1911 Pistol is 100+ years old

Also SMGs and semi-auto Assault Rifles are from WW2 (STGs and a huge number of SMGs). Do you really think WW2 shooters were worse? I can't think of that many major titles. We had Wolfenstein (amazing MP with RTCW and ET, great classes/objectives/pacing, the 'new' one sucked though), a few CoD games, BF1942, and that was pretty much it.

I never said anything in context of PS3 or 360 having exclusives, just that 'modern' shooters have become dime a dozen repeats of themselves. Also just MW (any title) sold probably more than every WW2 game COMBINED. It's going to wear itself thin.
I was more referring to exodeaths constant "FPSbox" garbage he spits out. There were quite a few WW2 shooters and I remember thinking "oh look I get to kill Hitler again. Great." for awhile until BF2 came out.
 
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List of WW2 shooters. There are more than 50 and probably more than 100.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_video_games#section_1

Most of those are just expansions, and most of them were just small releases on specific platforms that make it look like a lot more than it was. Example :

MoH : Allied Assault - Major Release
MoH : Frontline - Basically a rehash to stick on consoles
MoH : Infiltrator - A Watered down title to stick on GBA
MoH : Rising Sun - Something in the way of an expansion pack to stick on consoles
etc, etc.

Sure if you actually bought all the games for all the platforms, but most of these were not AAA titles, and there was a ton of cheap recycling. And many games are listed multiple times. CoD2, CoD2 Collector's Edition, CoD2 Big Red One, this would be like listing all of the BF2 releases as different titles. Or dividing up the map packs on MW or BF3. BF3, BF3 Limited Edition, BF3 Premium, BF3 Karkand Pack, BF3 Armored Kill, BF3 Aftermath, etc, etc. It's still just BF3.
 

RedRooster

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I'm at the point now where I don't think of shooters as games you play for story or anything else. You people that hate them should stop looking at them like that.
They're sports, pure and simple. A new type of sport. Its like buying the new NHL game every year, nothing changes its just a newer version. But its competition against real people, and that's the draw.
 

cmdrdredd

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I'm at the point now where I don't think of shooters as games you play for story or anything else. You people that hate them should stop looking at them like that.
They're sports, pure and simple. A new type of sport. Its like buying the new NHL game every year, nothing changes its just a newer version. But its competition against real people, and that's the draw.

Depends on the game. BioShock, borderlands, halo's campaign, and upcoming destiny don't fall into that group like cod
 

American Gunner

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I was unaware that all games were shooters. I guess I didn't play all the action/adventure, RPG, and platformers that I thought I played this generation. That's the problem with people like exdeath. They want to focus on the one genre they hate and pretend like that is the only type of game that is out this generation, when there have been amazing entries in all the genres this gen.
 

RedRooster

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Depends on the game. BioShock, borderlands, halo's campaign, and upcoming destiny don't fall into that group like cod

That's true, although those ones are pretty hard to hate. I'm speaking mainly of the "cookie cutter" online shooters so scathed here.
 

Arkaign

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That is just the flavor of the current gamer generation. We had over saturation of platformers for awhile, then D&D rpgs, then JRPGs, etc. Developers are always going to try and develop what the market wants. Same goes for any industry really. There is always going to be a ton of what is popular.

I was more referring to exodeaths constant "FPSbox" garbage he spits out. There were quite a few WW2 shooters and I remember thinking "oh look I get to kill Hitler again. Great." for awhile until BF2 came out.

Hahah, okay. And I agree, though I don't think the WW2 stuff was ever a tenth as universal as the MW stuff. I think during most of the WW2 glut, people were mostly playing better games like Halo. Pretty much all of the WW2 stuff was absolute crap outside of 1942 and RTCW/ET.
 

smackababy

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I'm at the point now where I don't think of shooters as games you play for story or anything else. You people that hate them should stop looking at them like that.
They're sports, pure and simple. A new type of sport. Its like buying the new NHL game every year, nothing changes its just a newer version. But its competition against real people, and that's the draw.

I've argued this point quite a bit. Gamers today are most about eSports type of play. Start the game up, play a match or two, then leave. No real commitment or need to remember story, quests, characters, anything. Just get in, go, and leave afterwards. A sporting match is the best comparison. Once haters realize this, they should stop bitching. There are still plenty of games you can play, tailored to rich single player experience. If you don't like certain games, nobody is forcing you to play them, like them, think about them, or even post about them in countless threads.

Hahah, okay. And I agree, though I don't think the WW2 stuff was ever a tenth as universal as the MW stuff. I think during most of the WW2 glut, people were mostly playing better games like Halo. Pretty much all of the WW2 stuff was absolute crap outside of 1942 and RTCW/ET.
No, it wasn't as popular because gaming, even as late as 2005, was still not acceptable and mainstream. Now, every nerd and jock plays video games. It has become similar to watching TV. Gaming has exploded into the culture.
 
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I was unaware that all games were shooters. I guess I didn't play all the action/adventure, RPG, and platformers that I thought I played this generation. That's the problem with people like exdeath. They want to focus on the one genre they hate and pretend like that is the only type of game that is out this generation, when there have been amazing entries in all the genres this gen.

The glass is half full damnit I can't argue with it, there should be something for everyone most of the time to choose from. I don't like CoD MW being rehashed into
MW2/MW3/Blops/Blops2, so I just rented them for a quick SP runthrough, no reason to dwell on it. I have more games than time to play them, more true than ever with two boys to raise
 

American Gunner

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The glass is half full damnit I can't argue with it, there should be something for everyone most of the time to choose from. I don't like CoD MW being rehashed into
MW2/MW3/Blops/Blops2, so I just rented them for a quick SP runthrough, no reason to dwell on it. I have more games than time to play them, more true than ever with two boys to raise
I completely understand that since I also have two boys and spend more and more time just hanging out with them than I do gaming now. It has been one of the main reasons why I have scaled back my gaming so much. And if I do play, lately it's been some of the great games on the XBL arcade with the little lady like Battle Block Theatre, or something like Bit Runner 2.
 

Arkaign

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I've argued this point quite a bit. Gamers today are most about eSports type of play. Start the game up, play a match or two, then leave. No real commitment or need to remember story, quests, characters, anything. Just get in, go, and leave afterwards. A sporting match is the best comparison. Once haters realize this, they should stop bitching. There are still plenty of games you can play, tailored to rich single player experience. If you don't like certain games, nobody is forcing you to play them, like them, think about them, or even post about them in countless threads.

Well, I think it can get really granular. I'm in the top 1% of PC BF3 players (skill/KDR), so I understand the idea of competitive online play. I just feel left flat by the CoD style. It doesn't have a ton of depth, and I feel like I've been down the road of simple fast-paced FPS for too long to really enjoy the same thing again. I've been playing MP FPS since Midi Maze in the 1980s. I'd probably be less burned out on it if I weren't a PC gamer as well. Thousands of hours in Quake 1, 2, and 3, running around tiny maps with relatively little flexibility in strategy or teamplay isn't my thing any more.

I won't begrudge those that are having fun with it though, those people are hopefully having as much fun as I did before I burned out on that specific type of game. I want more. Who knows, maybe MW4 will come out on PS4/Xboxwhatever and blow my mind.
 

RedRooster

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Well, I think it can get really granular. I'm in the top 1% of PC BF3 players (skill/KDR), so I understand the idea of competitive online play. I just feel left flat by the CoD style. It doesn't have a ton of depth, and I feel like I've been down the road of simple fast-paced FPS for too long to really enjoy the same thing again. I've been playing MP FPS since Midi Maze in the 1980s. I'd probably be less burned out on it if I weren't a PC gamer as well. Thousands of hours in Quake 1, 2, and 3, running around tiny maps with relatively little flexibility in strategy or teamplay isn't my thing any more.

I won't begrudge those that are having fun with it though, those people are hopefully having as much fun as I did before I burned out on that specific type of game. I want more. Who knows, maybe MW4 will come out on PS4/Xboxwhatever and blow my mind.

CoD is like the NFL Blitz of online sports-shooters.
Thats the new genre I'm coining.
 

coldmeat

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I gotta stop coming into these threads. It's the same shit over and over and over, everyone constantly arguing and repeating the same opinions but nobody every changes their minds. What a waste of time.

You know why the console gaming forum here is dead? Because every single thread devolves into this shitfest of fanboys and repeated bitching.
 

smackababy

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I gotta stop coming into these threads. It's the same shit over and over and over, everyone constantly arguing and repeating the same opinions but nobody every changes their minds. What a waste of time.

You know why the console gaming forum here is dead? Because every single thread devolves into this shitfest of fanboys and repeated bitching.

have you been to any of the other sections? VC&G is the worst. P&N... no thanks. PC gaming? say a bad thing about Valve and watch how quickly the fanboys jump.

This is the internet. Everyone has a opinion and everyone feels the need to scream about it as loud as possible.
 
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