Reports of an active shooter in San Bernadino

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Fayd

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Goodness there are so much clueless/ignorant about weapons in this case from numerous sources.

AR-15s are "high powered assault rifles"?

The attackers had "assault style clothings"?

Also, LOL @ 20 bullets per second semi-auto gun statement. Must be some kind of Gatling gun. LOL.

to be fair, AR-15 does qualify for high power rifle competitions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle

As best as I can tell, the term "high power rifle" refers to the fact it's centerfire rather than rimfire.

And the military rifle it's based on IS an assault rifle, by definition.

that said, the 20 rounds per second is freaking ridiculous, as is the use of "scary sounding" industry jargon for fear-mongering.
 

Svnla

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to be fair, AR-15 does qualify for high power rifle competitions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle

As best as I can tell, the term "high power rifle" refers to the fact it's centerfire rather than rimfire.

And the military rifle it's based on IS an assault rifle, by definition.

that said, the 20 rounds per second is freaking ridiculous, as is the use of "scary sounding" industry jargon for fear-mongering.

You do know that AR15s are using the .223/5.56 caliber, right? They are SMALLER/LESS POWERFUL than the typical deer hunting rifles which mostly use .308, 30-06 caliber. AR15s are mostly banned from hunting medium size animals (deers and such) and up around here.

To me, anything starts with "2" is NOT powerful per se, good for animals on two legs or squirrels or small hogs but not bigger targets.

If you want to talk about high caliber, let talk about the .50 BMG, now that's powerful.

Nice picture for comparison = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#/media/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg
 
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LegendKiller

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to be fair, AR-15 does qualify for high power rifle competitions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle

As best as I can tell, the term "high power rifle" refers to the fact it's centerfire rather than rimfire.

And the military rifle it's based on IS an assault rifle, by definition.

that said, the 20 rounds per second is freaking ridiculous, as is the use of "scary sounding" industry jargon for fear-mongering.
Assault rifle is a made up term intended to scare people.

Almost every rifle made was a battlefield weapon at one time or another. That includes a 30-30 lever action, or a bolt action Springfield, or the m1 garand which is also a 30-06.
 

Bird222

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You do know that AR15s are using the .223/5.56 caliber, right? They are SMALLER/LESS POWERFUL than the typical deer hunting rifles which mostly use .308, 30-06 caliber. AR15s are mostly banned from hunting medium size animals (deers and such) and up around here.

To me, anything starts with "2" is NOT powerful per se, good for animals on two legs or squirrels or small hogs but not bigger targets.

If you want to talk about high caliber, let talk about the .50 BMG, now that's powerful.

Nice picture for comparison = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#/media/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg

Let me shoot you with one. j/k However, a lot of people kill deer with .223.
 

Svnla

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Let me shoot you with one. j/k However, a lot of people kill deer with .223.

Don't get me wrong, see my statement of .223 is "good for animals on two legs" above. I would NOT want to be shot at by a .22LR or even a sling shot but ask anyone who knows about guns if the AR15s are "powerful assault guns" or not and they would laugh you out of town.

Not around here, we are required to have .308/30-60 caliber. I think the smallest calibers (for kids) to hunt is .243.
 

Fayd

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Assault rifle is a made up term intended to scare people.

Almost every rifle made was a battlefield weapon at one time or another. That includes a 30-30 lever action, or a bolt action Springfield, or the m1 garand which is also a 30-06.

no, "assault weapon" is the made up term.

assault rifle defines the archtype of smaller caliber military class rifles. (AR-15, AK-74, and their variants). This is as distinguished from battle rifles, which are the larger caliber, longer case. (M1-Garand, M-14 and its variants, etc.)
 

Phoenix86

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no, "assault weapon" is the made up term.

assault rifle defines the archtype of smaller caliber military class rifles. (AR-15, AK-74, and their variants). This is as distinguished from battle rifles, which are the larger caliber, longer case. (M1-Garand, M-14 and its variants, etc.)

Assault rifle isn't a made up term, which you seem to know. Who cares if you exchange weapon for rifle?

To be an assault rifle it needs a medium power cartridge, stronger than a pistol but less powerful than a battle rifle at 7.62. ARs at .223 meets this, but it's not select fire, which is the part the media simply coma's out on. No select fire, no assault rifle (weapon).

There's also a range component to distinguish between carbines.
 
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madoka

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Every time it is determined to be the religion of peace behind it, libtards magically shut up about gun control and switch narratives/positions to defending Muslims from unfair biases.

I suppose their hero Oblama will label this another instance of workplace violence like Fort Hood.

And right on cue, everything I predicted to happen has happened:

http://nypost.com/2015/12/05/planne...-but-with-islam-suddenly-motives-dont-matter/

The more evidence of motive, the more stumped the media elite became.

When the New York Post nailed it with the front-page hammer, “MUSLIM KILLERS,” MSNBC pooh-poohed it as “too sensational.” “We need to know more,” a correspondent sniffed.

Even now, after learning that Malik pledged allegiance to ISIS and the FBI officially declared it an “act of terrorism,” they still played dumb, still quoting President Obama and his attorney general suggesting it could be “workplace violence.”

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan smacked down a reporter clinging to the “workplace rage” angle, thusly: “Nobody gets upset at a party, goes home and puts together that kind of an elaborate scheme or plan to come back and do that.” Nor do they rent a getaway car — four days prior to the bogus office “argument” the media still think triggered their slaughter.

. . .

Making the slaughter in California all about gun control is a convenient distraction for a president uninterested in confronting a global epidemic for which he has no strategy. And the only one “struggling to fathom” the Muslim motive is the liberal press, who are obsessed with flipping the narrative in any mass shooting to gun control and conservatives.
 

MongGrel

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Let me shoot you with one. j/k However, a lot of people kill deer with .223.

Not legally in most states. Something along the lines of a .270 used to be the minimum.

Not sure how this turned it a gun classification thread to begin with.

Has little to do with the topic.
 
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Brian Stirling

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You do know that AR15s are using the .223/5.56 caliber, right? They are SMALLER/LESS POWERFUL than the typical deer hunting rifles which mostly use .308, 30-06 caliber. AR15s are mostly banned from hunting medium size animals (deers and such) and up around here.

To me, anything starts with "2" is NOT powerful per se, good for animals on two legs or squirrels or small hogs but not bigger targets.

If you want to talk about high caliber, let talk about the .50 BMG, now that's powerful.

Nice picture for comparison = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#/media/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg

Well yes, the .223/5.56 is NOT a high powered cartridge, but there are some quite powerful ones that start with a "2". A .270 and similar diameter 7mm carts are more than enough for most game and some are supersonic beyond 1400m!

The media loves to call the .223/5.56 as a high powered rifle and do so mostly because that fits there agenda. And as you said, the .223/5.56 isn't permitted for deer or larger game in most places. The average hunting rifle is about twice as powerful as the evil AR-15, and some more than four times as powerful! A 50BMG is almost eight times as powerful.


Brian
 

Brian Stirling

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Let me shoot you with one. j/k However, a lot of people kill deer with .223.

In most places it's illegal to shoot deer with a .223!

The most common calibers used by assassins is 22lr -- just about the least powerful cartridge you can find. Of course, they tend to fire the shot at point black range into the victims head and quiet is better than powerful.


Brian
 

SSSnail

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I find it very convenient that the guy that bought the guns check himself into a mental institution the day AFTER the shooting.
 

DCal430

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The AR15 can be easily modified to allow it to belt fed and fired in continuous burst at 15-20 bullets a second. No need for such a weapon of mass murder to be in the hands of the public.
 

Ichinisan

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The AR15 can be easily modified to allow it to belt fed and fired in continuous burst at 15-20 bullets a second. No need for such a weapon of mass murder to be in the hands of the public.

Yes. Governments should be the only ones with these kinds of weapons so they are free to oppress and put-down any kind of uprising.

Why should a government fear its people? That's bad! Right?
 

LegendKiller

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The AR15 can be easily modified to allow it to belt fed and fired in continuous burst at 15-20 bullets a second. No need for such a weapon of mass murder to be in the hands of the public.
lol.


Your idiocy has already been addressed by the supreme court time and again. It has always held that the weapons available to citizens should be those available during that time.
 
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You people bitching about how anti-gun people use terms like assault rifle and shit like that realize they do that because the gun industry marketed their stuff deliberately like that, right? They're the ones that started that by using them to market the new rifles that looked like the military ones (but, yes, do not function the same). That they're now bitching about the terms being misused is ironic to say the least considering they're the ones that caused that by doing that themselves back in the 80s.

Yes. Governments should be the only ones with these kinds of weapons so they are free to oppress and put-down any kind of uprising.

Why should a government fear its people? That's bad! Right?

You're right, Syrians would've never had a problem with Assad's chemical weapons, bombs, and tanks if only they'd all had machine guns! And that's Assad and his old Russian stuff. Your not-machine guns are definitely going to stop the U.S. military if they want to oppress and quell an uprising.

Of course there's also the fact that's why the states have their own military units, so that if the federal government did that they would have means of fighting back. That whole "well regulated militia" thing.

What I find baffling is how many police and military people I encounter that are certain the government is attempting to oppress and kill people right now. They're the ones that would be the means by which the government would accomplish that, so basically they must turn into braindead zombies when performing their roles and would be incapable of refusing to carry out orders if they knew they were wrong. But somehow them owning various guns will enable them to take on the might of a modern military that wanted to take them out.
 

CZroe

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You're right, Syrians would've never had a problem with Assad's chemical weapons, bombs, and tanks if only they'd all had machine guns! And that's Assad and his old Russian stuff. Your not-machine guns are definitely going to stop the U.S. military if they want to oppress and quell an uprising.
You jest, but they started an uprising/rebellion that continues, didn't they? Sure, a lot of the rebels are ISIS, but there's that. Our own government was inspired to arm them with better equipment to counter Assad's tanks and bombs and chemical weapons and such.
 
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norseamd

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The AR15 can be easily modified to allow it to belt fed and fired in continuous burst at 15-20 bullets a second. No need for such a weapon of mass murder to be in the hands of the public.

And all of this while keeping the accuracy of a closed bolt?
 

waggy

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The AR15 can be easily modified to allow it to belt fed and fired in continuous burst at 15-20 bullets a second. No need for such a weapon of mass murder to be in the hands of the public.

lol /smh
 

waggy

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Let me shoot you with one. j/k However, a lot of people kill deer with .223.

and anyone that goes hunting with a .223 is a fucking retard. well maybe rabbits and squirrels.
 
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lol.


Your idiocy has already been addressed by the supreme court time and again. It has always held that the weapons available to citizens should be those available during that time.

They have? Pretty sure its not legal for private citizens to own chemical or nuclear weapons. And yes that's obvious exaggeration, because where do you draw the line? Oh but they're not really available you say? Why is that? Its almost like there's a ban on them? But gun control will never work there's too many guns! Even if you ban them they'll still be made. You don't see how the logic there is a total failure?

Serious question, where are you going to draw the line? What regulations are you ok with and what aren't? What training (and maybe certification) do you think should be required for various weapons? What do you think is ok for private citizens to have and what not?

All we're getting is conjecture and bullshit. The pro-gun people act like everyone is calling for all weapons bans, and the anti-gun people are acting like the gun people want to ok everything. That isn't the case on either side for the most part, but instead of having actual discussion we get this stupid "lol you idiot using that term" where you do nothing to explain at what level you think it is ok.

Take for instance military style "assault rifles", where people act like "well duh its illegal to have full auto ones" like they don't exist but you also openly admit it is quite easy to convert them to that, and you don't see that as enabling full auto versions with minor hassle. So going to back to your "availability" argument, if the availability of means to convert widely available semi-auto guns to full auto is also widespread, then everything is fine, because directly getting full auto versions is controlled. You really don't see how people can view that as a major loophole that makes the full auto ban effectively worthless and so they see the only way to remedy that is to also ban the weapons that are typically converted? But, then it being legal or not doesn't matter you say, so see the laws are pointless. Then why have any laws at all? Where are the lines that you draw? Or do you not draw any at all?

Seriously, I never see gun people at all actually state what they're ok with and what they aren't. Overwhelmingly gun owners support some gun control, but yet I never see any of the people mouthing off about it actually state what they're ok with. How do you expect to have an actual discussion when you're not even willing to say what your actual position is? And then you wonder why people paint you as gun nuts (and vice versa).

You say the rampant ignorance (generally more "durr fucking stupid dumbasses" is how it is stated) by gun control advocates (er I mean, commie-leftist libtards) is an issue and then you do effectively nothing to actually try and educate people on it or anything more than ridicule.

And absolutely I've been guilty of just calling people idiots on various topics, but it is generally after dealing with people that are openly belligerent first and even then I still will actually try to provide real information and facts to try and show them why I think they're an idiot. Generally what I see from both sides of this issue (although I encounter far more pro gun people, or at least people who go out of their way to make that a topic) is horrible logic arguments and insults with no attempt whatsoever to make sense of anything (and it typically immediately devolves into them just trying to call anyone that doesn't full support their belief into a caricature of how they view the opposing viewpoint, which needless to say just makes things worse).

Oh, and since I asked for people to state their beliefs, it would be disingenuous for me not to do the same. I believe that gun control would be effective and should be enacted. I am under no delusions that it will "fix" things or magically end gun violence (in any form, assaults, suicides, and spree killings with guns will still happen, I believe it will lower them though). I don't believe it will lead to an uptick in crime. I don't think gun control needs to be drastically different from what it is now, but I would like there to be some more oversight (licensing, and for what it is worth, I also wish we had stricter licensing for operating vehicles too) and a push for education and training. I would like some loopholes like the private sales' lack of background checks to be closed. I am pretty vehemently against the modern NRA which seems more interested in spreading rhetoric, FUD, and lobbying for gun manufacturers than representing the majority of moderate gun owners. I despise the means by which they've tried to block study of gun violence. I despise statements that they have been making that are in my opinion quite extreme and callous (for instance, I do not agree with their "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"; I'd rather work to prevent the bad guy from being a bad guy in the first place and I believe that a lot of the NRA's rhetoric is pointedly trying to create division among people which festers extremism and creates bad guys). I despise them trying to blame things like media and seemingly supporting trampling the 1st Amendment in order to defend the 2nd. I do not agree with their relatively recent interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. I agree that mental health plays a major role (in general, but definitely with regards to gun violence either in the form of assault, suicide, or spree killings) and should absolutely be addressed. I think it is a major part of overall health and should be considered alongside physical health (which I feel like a lot of anti-gun control people tend to have views that I don't agree with in regards to health care either). I feel like generally, especially politicians only do lip service in regards to mental health and use it as a means of trying to deflect the conversation while having no actual intention of doing anything about it.
 

LegendKiller

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That is up to the USSC. They have already said something like a sawed off shutgun wouldn't really qualify. If you think you should have chemical weapons, try to challenge the ban on them.

As far as the NRA putting up a wall against the Media, they are doing so rightfully.

The media screams time and again we are under constant assault. They used this magical 355 mass shootings this year to scream for more gun control, but that massively overstates the amount, largely because they include gang shootings, which are mostly perpetrated by those using *ILLEGAL* guns.

There is no mass shooting problem. By and large we could probably save more lives by requiring ignition interlock on every vehicle to prevent all DWI deaths. The media is horrible at reporting the actual numbers, mainly because they do have an agenda and don't want to call out inner city violence as being the key behind the majority of non-suicide gun deaths.
 
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