Republicans cheer for uninsured to die

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FuzzyBee

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Pigs; you mean the ones that live in the own shit and then slaughtered by men looking to make a quick buck?

Fingermen swine indeed.

That's right. My point stands - they appear to be more intelligent than you. I'd bet they don't froth at the mouth quite so much, either.
 

Red Dawn

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That's right. My point stands - they appear to be more intelligent than you. I'd bet they don't froth at the mouth quite so much, either.

I dunno, you ever watch Faux Noise? A whole lot of frothing going on there and they have a lot of Teabaggers and Pigs as guests (sometimes hard to tell them apart)
 

FuzzyBee

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I dunno, you ever watch Faux Noise? A whole lot of frothing going on there and they have a lot of Teabaggers and Pigs as guests (sometimes hard to tell them apart)

Faux Noise? What's that?

What does that have to do with Macamus's reading comprehension, anyway?
 

Red Dawn

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Not sure what you're talking about, but what does that have to do with Macamus's reading comprehension, anyway?
I thought you said you Teabaggers were smarter than the average voter? I guess it's averaged out.
 

rudder

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Feel free to lobby to have the law changed if you want, be sure to report back on how that goes.

I mentioned this episode in another thread, it was truly horrifying. When you add up the same base cheering for executions and the death of sick people, you end up with a pretty disgusting group of people these candidates are trying to appeal to.

how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months

No one is cheering for this hypothetical person dying. They are cheering Ron Paul's statement about personal responsibility and how the government is not our nanny.

So someone decides to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. If that person were to wreck and strike his head on the pavement... should everyone be forced to pitch in to pay the $300,000 medical bill when a $80 helmet would have left him with only scratches?

The hypothetical 30 year old decided against buying a hypothetical health insurance policy. I get health insurance through my employer for myself and my family. I suppose it is perfectly acceptable to tell my employer rather than pay that money to an insurance company... just put it in my paycheck. If someone in my family gets sick, we can utilize the county health department. If I am in a life threatening situation, the hospital will have to care for me... I will let other taxpayers foot the bill. Is this okay? I sure could use the extra money.. and if my fellow taxpayers do not mind what is the harm?
 

Phokus

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how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months

No one is cheering for this hypothetical person dying. They are cheering Ron Paul's statement about personal responsibility and how the government is not our nanny.

So someone decides to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. If that person were to wreck and strike his head on the pavement... should everyone be forced to pitch in to pay the $300,000 medical bill when a $80 helmet would have left him with only scratches?

The hypothetical 30 year old decided against buying a hypothetical health insurance policy. I get health insurance through my employer for myself and my family. I suppose it is perfectly acceptable to tell my employer rather than pay that money to an insurance company... just put it in my paycheck. If someone in my family gets sick, we can utilize the county health department. If I am in a life threatening situation, the hospital will have to care for me... I will let other taxpayers foot the bill. Is this okay? I sure could use the extra money.. and if my fellow taxpayers do not mind what is the harm?

1. Not everyone is able to buy insurance. Those with pre-existing conditions have an incredibly hard time getting it.

2. Re-watch the video again, no they were cheering for uninsured to die.

Republicans are scum of the earth.
 

fskimospy

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how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months

No one is cheering for this hypothetical person dying. They are cheering Ron Paul's statement about personal responsibility and how the government is not our nanny.

This is obviously and indisputably untrue. If you believe this to be the case, watch the video again.

So someone decides to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. If that person were to wreck and strike his head on the pavement... should everyone be forced to pitch in to pay the $300,000 medical bill when a $80 helmet would have left him with only scratches?

The hypothetical 30 year old decided against buying a hypothetical health insurance policy. I get health insurance through my employer for myself and my family. I suppose it is perfectly acceptable to tell my employer rather than pay that money to an insurance company... just put it in my paycheck. If someone in my family gets sick, we can utilize the county health department. If I am in a life threatening situation, the hospital will have to care for me... I will let other taxpayers foot the bill. Is this okay? I sure could use the extra money.. and if my fellow taxpayers do not mind what is the harm?

That's why we need an individual mandate. We as a society have decided we are unwilling to allow people to die from medical problems/injuries when we can save them. That obviously creates a free rider problem. You now have two choices, and two choices only. You either change it back to allowing people to die (good luck!), or you force people to pay in regardless.

Also, if you believe the uninsured are getting such a sweet deal out of things, I'm going to assume that you haven't tried to use the US health system without insurance for quite a long time. BTW in many cases you are free to decline your employer's health insurance, so since you think the uninsured don't have any trouble with this and you could use the extra money, go do it!
 
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how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months

No one is cheering for this hypothetical person dying. They are cheering Ron Paul's statement about personal responsibility and how the government is not our nanny.

So someone decides to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. If that person were to wreck and strike his head on the pavement... should everyone be forced to pitch in to pay the $300,000 medical bill when a $80 helmet would have left him with only scratches?

The hypothetical 30 year old decided against buying a hypothetical health insurance policy. I get health insurance through my employer for myself and my family. I suppose it is perfectly acceptable to tell my employer rather than pay that money to an insurance company... just put it in my paycheck. If someone in my family gets sick, we can utilize the county health department. If I am in a life threatening situation, the hospital will have to care for me... I will let other taxpayers foot the bill. Is this okay? I sure could use the extra money.. and if my fellow taxpayers do not mind what is the harm?

Whie I think this topic is a bit overblown, your second paragraph is bull. The response came immediately after Blitzer asked to clarify if society should let this person die. That's when the yells of "YEAH" immediately followed. That's exactly what was being cheered.
 

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Pity me, for I am a 9/11 truther who is off his meds.
 
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Munky

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And you want the alternative - force everyone to buy insurance, so that the old bag can postpone inevitable death for another few months? I'd rather people have a choice, unlike your socialist utopia.
 

Ausm

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Republicans are scum of the earth.

Not all because they are to ignorant to realize what kind of dbags they are backing. I feel sorry for those people and unfortunatly there are many of them in my family. I am happy to report that many of my family members converted over to Democrats after the Rights assault on teachers in my state utterly turned them off..
 
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PokerGuy

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Education and intelligence are not even remotely the same thing.

Of course, it's plain to see, a group of highly educated successful people are the "most stupid" people because they disagree with your ideology. You pretty much exemplify elitism.

Yes they did, and it is indisputable. Any person who actually watched the video must admit that several people in the audience did exactly that.
No, they didn't. The fact that they cheered is indisputable. What they cheered for is not. They didn't cheer because the hypothetical person died, they cheered for the notion that the government would not be forced to pick up the tab for said hypothetical person. Big difference, but you already knew that. You're just being obtuse.
 
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Of course, it's plain to see, a group of highly educated successful people are the "most stupid" people because they disagree with your ideology. You pretty much exemplify elitism.

No, they didn't. The fact that they cheered is indisputable. What they cheered for is not. They didn't cheer because the hypothetical person died, they cheered for the notion that the government would not be forced to pick up the tab for said hypothetical person. Big difference, but you already knew that. You're just being obtuse.
Valiant effort...but I'm afraid that you're wasting your time...common sense in such matters doesn't play well with many of our "intellectuals" here.
 

fskimospy

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Of course, it's plain to see, a group of highly educated successful people are the "most stupid" people because they disagree with your ideology. You pretty much exemplify elitism.

Nope, in fact I made that specifically clear when I first mentioned how contemptible I found them. Of course if you can't invent positions for me to hold you don't really have much to argue about. This is why you're so bad at this.

No, they didn't. The fact that they cheered is indisputable. What they cheered for is not. They didn't cheer because the hypothetical person died, they cheered for the notion that the government would not be forced to pick up the tab for said hypothetical person. Big difference, but you already knew that. You're just being obtuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irx_QXsJiao&feature=player_embedded

There is literally no way any rational person who understands English can take the exchange that happens from 1:01 to 1:10 in that video to mean anything other than people are enthusiastically cheering for the government letting someone die. It doesn't matter if they're doing it because this way the government doesn't have to pick up a bill or for any other reason. They are explicitly and indisputably cheering for a situation that involves that person dying. You're just desperate to find any way to excuse behavior that is by any decent human standard inexcusable.

You're welcome to keep trying though, I'm sure I wouldn't want people this shitty to be associated with my ideology either.
 

Siddhartha

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Didn't some of the audience at the previous debate applaud when it was stated that Texas under Mr Perry had executed 234 people?

Correct me if I am incorrect but are not "Personal responsibility", meaning it is okay not to help people, and being pro-death penality part of the GOPs core beliefs?
 

jayzds

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Whie I think this topic is a bit overblown, your second paragraph is bull. The response came immediately after Blitzer asked to clarify if society should let this person die. That's when the yells of "YEAH" immediately followed. That's exactly what was being cheered.

Your right on the 2 or 3 idiots who yelled yeah...but, only 2 or 3 did and out of a crowd that is normal in any situation regardless of position. There were no crowd chears after the statement stating if they should let him die.
 

fskimospy

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Your right on the 2 or 3 idiots who yelled yeah...but, only 2 or 3 did and out of a crowd that is normal in any situation regardless of position. There were no crowd chears after the statement stating if they should let him die.

Right, and that was mentioned right from the start that it was only a few idiots. That being said, I am unaware of something similar happening in any debate of any stripe, ever. So no, I don't think you can say that is normal. The only even modestly related one I can think of was the previous horrifying Republican debate moment where everyone cheered executions.
 

Ausm

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Right, and that was mentioned right from the start that it was only a few idiots. That being said, I am unaware of something similar happening in any debate of any stripe, ever. So no, I don't think you can say that is normal. The only even modestly related one I can think of was the previous horrifying Republican debate moment where everyone cheered executions.

I found that to be particularly disturbing also and these people claim to be PRO life and the moral compass of society??D:
 

glenn1

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Didn't some of the audience at the previous debate applaud when it was stated that Texas under Mr Perry had executed 234 people?

Correct me if I am incorrect but are not "Personal responsibility", meaning it is okay not to help people, and being pro-death penality part of the GOPs core beliefs?

So just to make sure I'm understanding your position correctly, if a wealthy person refuses to buy healh insurance (which was the premise of Wolf Blitzer's question), then goes into a coma, taxpayers should pay for his care?
 
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