You can talk about Dems "doing the same thing" when & if it stretches out into the same kind of things Repubs have done for 8 years.
They also managed use other obstructive measures. Hey, I don't care if you do it or not. When you complain about the principles though and do the same that's just hypocrisy. "They're just as bad" doesn't even make sense as it's completely inapplicable.
It serves them right for all the obstruction tactics they pulled during Obama's term. However, at the same time the Dems are showing they're no different than the Repubs.
This. X1000.
Hopefully it'll stretch from 2 to 4 to 8 to 12 to 16 years. Good stuff! Thanks Obama!You can talk about Dems "doing the same thing" when & if it stretches out into the same kind of things Repubs have done for 8 years.
Fantastic! You guys should be supporting them then right? You aren't a hypocrite are you?
They also managed use other obstructive measures. Hey, I don't care if you do it or not. When you complain about the principles though and do the same that's just hypocrisy. "They're just as bad" doesn't even make sense as it's completely inapplicable.
Never forget. Repubs are scumbags.
You can talk about Dems "doing the same thing" when & if it stretches out into the same kind of things Repubs have done for 8 years.
Oh hey, I have some you can borrow.. Wait.. I'm out, too. Apparently I have no fucks to give either.Anyone want to help me out? I'm having trouble finding any fucks to give.
"I beat my wife, but I'm just getting started, not like my neighbor who's done it for years".
OK
There's some thought that that obstructionism is a fundamental part of the nature of our government in order to keep a perpetual rubber stamp system so I don't mind it at all, but it's funny to see some claim how principled against it now showing that when it comes to it they suddenly say "but but but THE OTHER GUY"!
Block to your hearts desire
Oh hey, I have some you can borrow.. Wait.. I'm out, too. Apparently I have no fucks to give either.
We tried to warn you guys of the consequences but people were too stupid and too overcome by partisanship to listen. You reap what you sow
Who is "you guys"?
Not you necessarily as I don't remember your position on the obstruction specifically. There were plenty of conservatives who defended it as either necessary or part of normal governance though when it was neither.
My position is that obstructionism is an inherent and purposeful part of the process of government to be used on very rare occasions. The Republicans (of which I am not one) abused the option. That's obviously a criticism I would agree with. Some people came out against obstructionism in principle before Trump and for it now. That's what I object to. I meant is when I said I'm fine if Democrats want to oppose Trump's candidates. It's part of the process, just don't be "holy" about a matter of self interest.
BTW, I registered as a Democrat and voted for Bernie, so I'm obviously not a fan of many Republican policies, but then I didn't support Hillary so I must be a Conservative and all conservatives are alike I've been told. But I didn't support Trump so I'm what was known as a "pinko Communist".
The environment is important to me so I'm "liberal". People matter more than money. I'm a "progressive" and government should be a facilitator of public activity until there is need to address an issue, and it should not be partisan in its approach, but follow the mandate of the Constitution and law determined from that. So perhaps I am somewhat Conservative as well. But that can't be true because those things don't fit neatly into any one box. I don't care.
When the Republicans were cheering when Bush went after certain rights we heard "The Constitution is not a suicide pact". Wrong thinking, and they were told that whatever they let stand will pass to the next administration and son of a gun did, Obama. Obama was for pretty much gutting the Fourth because well "security". Not a fan. Now all the accumulated power went to Trump and boy he jumped on that like a kid on candy.
Know what? The President after Trump will use all that was allowed for his or her term.
The bottom line is that "It's for the greater good" thinking needs to stop if it's for "security" or "he has to do Congress's job because they won't". Nope. Expansion of Executive power to achieve one's agenda is a bad long term strategy.
Obstructionism of this level has not been part of the process from 1789 until 2008. That much is clear.
You may not like expanding executive power but that outcome is the inevitable result of congressional obstruction of this sort. In fact, it's the well documented path of how presidential systems tend to dissolve into dictatorships. Governmental paralysis takes over but people still need the government to function and look to the president to fill the gap. Slowly but surely more and more power comes to the executive until one day he's running the whole thing.
http://wapo.st/UhOXQW
Want to stop the amassing of executive power? Come out against full bore obstruction and make the legislators who promoted it pay, which basically means cleaning house for all congressional Republicans. I don't care if they are replaced with different republicans, those guys just need to have more respect for our system of government.
Sorry HayabusaRider, you're not allowed to disagree with any facet of far left orthodoxy no matter that your basically liberal political stances are mainstream Democrat. There is no tolerance by this current crop of Democrats for any dissent of any shape or form. To disagree with them is to be considered an enemy.Who is "you guys"?