Republicans complain about "unprecedented" obstruction

[fskimospy]

In the end it won't matter at least as far as the SCOTUS. Think back to 2013 and the "Nuclear Option".

I think you mean 2005? One thing that is almost always overlooked is that the 2013 nuclear option was a direct result of the breach of the agreement that came from the 2005 nuclear option negotiations. Whether they wanted to or not their hand was forced.

In 2005 Republicans threatened to nuke the filibuster. This threat was averted when both parties came to an agreement that they would only filibuster judicial appointments in 'extraordinary circumstances'. Once Republicans were in the Senate minority and faced with Democratic judicial appointments however, they immediately began filibustering them at a rate higher than at any point in US history. It wasn't just ignoring 'extraordinary circumstances', it was worse than before the deal. At that point Senate Democrats basically had two choices, they could surrender or they could enforce the terms of the deal. They chose the second option.

And really, what was their choice? If they let them get away with it the Republicans would have happily filibustered Obama's nominees and then simply nuked the filibuster when it wasn't convenient for them in the future (as you will see shortly, assuming the Democrats filibuster this nomination). This is one of many reasons they should just have eliminated the filibuster entirely. (the others are for basic good governance purposes)

 

[nakedfrog]

Yup, they use the electoral college, however, when the majority of citizens who did vote, voted against the current president, don't be surprised if he's not overwhelmingly crowned homecoming king.

Yep. I'll say it again for people that missed it. 63 million votes for Donnie, 73.6 million votes for other people. Not a mandate.

 

[JSt0rm]

Silver lining is, maybe the filibuster will be forever gone and when the election swings back to the other direction - progressives can enact much needed change that would otherwise be impossible. I'm just not convinced we can hold it together under this much protest.

the country has been in far more divisive places in the past. You thinking we cant hold it together is a reflection of your own shortcomings. If it did break up into 5 or 6 different countries we would still be great. Well except for the deep south. They would end up looking third world in about 15 years.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Who cares? It's pretty telling how thin-skinned conservatives are about being reminded that they lost the popular vote, haha. Why does it bother you so much to know that he lost by millions of votes?

Obviously you care, you post it at least once a day. Clinton lost so get over it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

2005? Ok. The backstory is interesting to be sure, but not my point. I know why things exist so there's no justification required. My sole point is that the option came into being and as it exists Trump will almost certainly get his SCOTUS pick.

 

[JSt0rm]

2005? Ok. The backstory is interesting to be sure, but not my point. I know why things exist so there's no justification required. My sole point is that the option came into being and as it exists Trump will almost certainly get his SCOTUS pick.

Awesome. I will make sure to let my senators know they better play the game as you do when we have power again. The gop is so short sighted. It worked this time. Dont expect it to keep working. And when you do finally lose power dont expect any consideration.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Awesome. I will make sure to let my senators know they better play the game as you do when we have power again. The gop is so short sighted. It worked this time. Dont expect it to keep working. And when you do finally lose power dont expect any consideration.

My senators are Democrats, I'm not a Republican and I have no power because no one represents me. I don't count on consideration because there's never been any given. Let the Dems and Reps eat each other alive. I have no dog in their fight.

 

[soundforbjt]

Tell me, when has it come to this before?

I fear that from those empty seats will rise separatist actions. And even if you don't follow through on it, by the time you win election Republicans will hate you every bit as much as you do them today. Then the playbook you use now will be escalated even further. Should such intent be followed through, as is currently being vowed by many, I cannot foresee words or votes deciding this nation's future.

It came to that when Obama was President, Repubs did the same thing, how soon they forget.

 

[zinfamous]

Tell me, when has it come to this before?

I fear that from those empty seats will rise separatist actions. And even if you don't follow through on it, by the time you win election Republicans will hate you every bit as much as you do them today. Then the playbook you use now will be escalated even further. Should such intent be followed through, as is currently being vowed by many, I cannot foresee words or votes deciding this nation's future.

How noble of you to say such a thing.

Now, where were you between the dates of 01-20-2011 and 01-20-2017? Why so concerned now?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

yo, tajjy, remind me again what happened to the acting ag who dared to say 'no' to drumpf. She still have her gig or what?

You mean the acting Attorney General who refused to obey a lawful command by her President and instead ordered the attorneys under her to break the law and tradition and showed the wisdom of President Trump in getting rid of Obama holdovers in the State Department? That one got fired.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yup, they use the electoral college, however, when the majority of citizens who did vote, voted against the current president, don't be surprised if he's not overwhelmingly crowned homecoming king.

And the electoral college worked just like it's supposed to work and keep an unfit criminal like Hillary out of the White House.

 

[ivwshane]

You mean the acting Attorney General who refused to obey a lawful command by her President and instead ordered the attorneys under her to break the law and tradition and showed the wisdom of President Trump in getting rid of Obama holdovers in the State Department? That one got fired.

Yes, the same person, who during her confirmation, was told by the now incoming AG, that you must be willing to stand up to the president when violations of the constitution happen. Yeah, her.

 

[HomerJS]

You mean the acting Attorney General who refused to obey a lawful command by her President and instead ordered the attorneys under her to break the law and tradition and showed the wisdom of President Trump in getting rid of Obama holdovers in the State Department? That one got fired.

I guess you missed Sessions questioning AAG in 2015 saying she may have to go against some bad orders coming from then President Obama. So Sessions thinks it was ok in 2015. Now however

 

[ivwshane]

And the electoral college worked just like it's supposed to work and keep an unfit criminal like Hillary out of the White House.

Is that because of her conviction in alt-reality court?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I guess you missed Sessions questioning AAG in 2015 saying she may have to go against some bad orders coming from then President Obama. So Sessions thinks it was ok in 2015. Now however

Gasp! You mean all politicians can't be trusted and some are even hypocrites? We all knew that Obama was a pile of stinking shit liar, but you mean other politicians too? If you like your hypocrite, you can keep your hypocrite.

 

[ivwshane]

Gasp! You mean all politicians can't be trusted and some are even hypocrites? We all knew that Obama was a pile of stinking shit liar, but you mean other politicians too? If you like your hypocrite, you can keep your hypocrite.

Wait, so are you admitting sessions was wrong and is therefore not fit to be AG? Or are you admitting you are a hypocrite? I'm just trying to follow your "logic" but you've seem to have twisted yourself in a knot.

 

[HomerJS]

Gasp! You mean all politicians can't be trusted and some are even hypocrites? We all knew that Obama was a pile of stinking shit liar, but you mean other politicians too? If you like your hypocrite, you can keep your hypocrite.

I believe we are discussing the AAG and why she was fired. Sessions is shown condoning what she did so why are you bitching. Low on meds??
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-sh...inst-presidents-unlawful-views-151137405.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Silver lining is, maybe the filibuster will be forever gone and when the election swings back to the other direction - progressives can enact much needed change that would otherwise be impossible. I'm just not convinced we can hold it together under this much protest.

f course we can. Trump just has to break it before he can fix it.

"I am your voice. I alone can fix it. I will restore law & order."

"Going to camp" has a whole different meaning when it's a re-education camp, I'm sure. I just hope the weather is nice.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You mean the acting Attorney General who refused to obey a lawful command by her President and instead ordered the attorneys under her to break the law and tradition and showed the wisdom of President Trump in getting rid of Obama holdovers in the State Department? That one got fired.

you're a fucking buffoon, you do know that right? I get it, you love drumpf, he can do no wrong, he's the ultimate alpha, I hope when he faces all of the shit he's going to face, he's half as strong as you pretend he is.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Gasp! You mean all politicians can't be trusted and some are even hypocrites? We all knew that Obama was a pile of stinking shit liar, but you mean other politicians too? If you like your hypocrite, you can keep your hypocrite.

so that's a downvote for sessions from you, correct?

 

[Homerboy]

I haven't read the whole thread... was this mentioned yet?

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/01/51284...k-democrats-boycott-to-advance-trump-nominees

Senate Republicans Defy Democrats' Boycott To Advance Trump Nominees

A day after Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee boycotted votes to advance the nominations for President Trump's nominees to lead the departments of the Treasury and Health and Human Services, the panel's Republicans met in a surprise meeting Wednesday morning and voted to suspend committee rules to vote on those nominees without Democrats present.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, the chairman of the Finance Committee called the Democrats' boycott "the most pathetic thing." Opening the meeting, Hatch said, "We took some unprecedented actions today due to the unprecedented obstruction on the part of our colleagues."

Democrats consider the move in violation of longstanding rules on the finance committee, which require one member of each party present.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Already mentioned earlier today in the thread.

 

[Fern]

the country has been in far more divisive places in the past. You thinking we cant hold it together is a reflection of your own shortcomings. If it did break up into 5 or 6 different countries we would still be great. Well except for the deep south. They would end up looking third world in about 15 years.

You're an ignorant jackass. You know nothing of the "Deep South" other than the BS you see from Hollywood.

Fern

 

[Fern]

You mean the acting Attorney General who refused to obey a lawful command by her President and instead ordered the attorneys under her to break the law and tradition and showed the wisdom of President Trump in getting rid of Obama holdovers in the State Department? That one got fired.

On top of it, her dept's (DoJ) Office of Legal Counsel had reviewed the E.O. 'ban' and approved it both as to form and legality.

The DoJ has confirmed they approved it:

The Justice Department confirmed its Office of Legal Counsel had done a review of the order to determine whether it was "on its face, lawful, and properly drafted."

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/30/512534805/justice-department-wont-defend-trumps-immigration-order

Fern

 

[Fern]

DP

 

[zinfamous]

You mean the acting Attorney General who refused to obey a lawful command by her President and instead ordered the attorneys under her to break the law and tradition and showed the wisdom of President Trump in getting rid of Obama holdovers in the State Department? That one got fired.

who said it's lawful? Isn't that, you know, the AG's job?

You saying Trump and Bannon know more about law than the AG?

Are you honestly that fucking stupid?