Republicans' Darrell Issa won't seek re-election

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zinfamous

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Commodus

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He didn't ban all Muslims, that is a plain lie. He did talk about stopping Muslims from coming in until things get straightened out with the vetting process, he never had a stance of banning Muslims as a permanent thing.

Oh, you're going to parrot this bullshit claim again? To repeat: the point is that he wanted a total ban on Muslims, and what he got was what his officials thought they could weasel through. Even the limited ban made clear that the focus was on countries solely because they were predominantly Muslim, not because there was a demonstrated threat posed by people from those countries.

And remember, during the campaign he called for the total ban "until we can figure out what the hell is going on." That might not be an explicit call for a permanent ban, but it's conveniently indefinite. If you're going to call for out-and-out discrimination of an entire religion for supposed security purposes, you had better have rock-solid evidence that a large number of them are threats (which isn't true here) and at least stress that it's temporary, if not put some definite time limits on your ban. At best, Trump clearly hadn't thought the idea through; at worst, this was a permanent ban masquerading as a temporary one.

It's rather hilarious to see how desperate you are to lie to yourself. It can't be a Muslim ban even though he clearly wanted one, even though his tweets and rhetoric are consistently anti-Musilm, even though... anything to help you pretend that you don't support a bigot.
 
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SlowSpyder

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So again, what he tried to pass did not ban all Muslims, right? What Trump did was ban people from seven predominantly Muslim countries. Seven countries. Say it with me guys.
 

Commodus

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So again, what he tried to pass did not ban all Muslims, right? What Trump did was ban people from seven predominantly Muslim countries. Seven countries. Say it with me guys.

He banned people from seven predominantly Muslim countries because he couldn't implement the total ban he really wanted. Say it with us.
 

JSt0rm

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Highly doubful. He's from behind the Orange Curtain. His district consists of much of Orange County CA, Camp Pendleton Marine Base and Oceanside: Camp Pendleton's military town in north San Diego County.

This area is a pocket of very strong republicanism. And not the "kinder gentler" version. Alt-right Trump supporters. Much of this county was populated by white flight from LA county.

I don’t think you understand how pissed that area is about property tax and state tax deductions. The republicans voted against thier constituents best interests and they are gonna get work for it and they know it.
 

Commodus

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What do you think stopped him from making it eight countries?

I see what you're trying to do, you know. You're assuming that a limited number stems from a sincere change of heart, and that the narrowed scope was Trump's choice rather his team picking something that wouldn't look like a ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries. Because it wasn't a larger number of Muslim countries or all of them, you argue, it can't possibly have been a discriminatory ban.

My questions: why did they choose the countries they did, and initially make exemptions for non-Muslims? Again, they don't correlate well to actual threats from the region, and the exemptions make it clear that the goal was specifically to prevent Muslims from those countries reaching the US.
 

SlowSpyder

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I see what you're trying to do, you know. You're assuming that a limited number stems from a sincere change of heart, and that the narrowed scope was Trump's choice rather his team picking something that wouldn't look like a ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries. Because it wasn't a larger number of Muslim countries or all of them, you argue, it can't possibly have been a discriminatory ban.

My questions: why did they choose the countries they did, and initially make exemptions for non-Muslims? Again, they don't correlate well to actual threats from the region, and the exemptions make it clear that the goal was specifically to prevent Muslims from those countries reaching the US.


I don't know why he chose the countries he did, I don't think we've had many problems from them specifically, but I don't know what our country's military intelligence knows about those populations currently either, or what information the president is privy to regarding those countries that we don't know. So, I don't know why he chose the countries he did, and I don't think we have enough information to take a good educated guess at it. But I'm sure some projected feelings from those with a partisan agenda fill in the gaps nicely.

Now, again, what do you think stopped him from making it eight countries if his goal was to ban all Muslims? Surely he could have fit a few more in if he was just choosing them based on nothing, regardless of it they or some citizens had been responsible for an attack on us or not.
 

Ns1

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Not all of that pro-Trump base is white. I have in-laws who are Vietnamese-Chinese in OC and for some reason they are massively pro Trump (and there are quite a few like-minded.) I have no idea how they conflate their Saigon Airlift arrival with Trump's anti-immigration stance, but whatever...he is like a walking talking embodiment of the American Dream to them.

1st gen vietnamese american from OC here - older Viet people are massively republican and conservative. Younger ones not so much.
 

Jhhnn

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1st gen vietnamese american from OC here - older Viet people are massively republican and conservative. Younger ones not so much.

I'll bet the raving about chain immigration has them in a tizzy. That's how a lot of vietnamese came to be here.
 

SlowSpyder

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So dishonest. He made it as many as he could possibly justify to the Judiciary & enough to satisfy the xenophobic ravers in his base.


While I'm sure that did make the xenophobe types want to touch themselves, I don't think that was the purpose. Why do you want more people from those countries to be here? Many of these would be conservative religious types that would prefer to harm LGBT rights and other pro-freedom agendas.
 

Ns1

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I'll bet the raving about chain immigration has them in a tizzy. That's how a lot of vietnamese came to be here.

The (older) vietnamese people I know care less about the stance on immigration (since VN people will illegally immigrate anyway) and more about things like suppressing LGBT rights and keeping that devil weed away from kids.
 

Jhhnn

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While I'm sure that did make the xenophobe types want to touch themselves, I don't think that was the purpose. Why do you want more people from those countries to be here? Many of these would be conservative religious types that would prefer to harm LGBT rights and other pro-freedom agendas.

It's not just about immigrants but rather visitors- students, extended family members & business people. The selection of countries is simply capricious. Remember how Iraq was on the list & then not on the list? That's because it was ridiculous to keep out honest citizens of a friendly govt. Afghans aren't on the list but they have more reason to hate us than just about anybody else. Iran is on the list but Shia aren't jihadis at all. Hell- it was so poorly written at first that green card holders could be denied re-entry.

It's all about keeping the Trump faithful frothed up & convincing more people that it somehow does us some good. It's like this-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2W0sq9ddU
 
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Paratus

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I don't know why he chose the countries he did, I don't think we've had many problems from them specifically, but I don't know what our country's military intelligence knows about those populations currently either, or what information the president is privy to regarding those countries that we don't know. So, I don't know why he chose the countries he did, and I don't think we have enough information to take a good educated guess at it. But I'm sure some projected feelings from those with a partisan agenda fill in the gaps nicely.

Now, again, what do you think stopped him from making it eight countries if his goal was to ban all Muslims? Surely he could have fit a few more in if he was just choosing them based on nothing, regardless of it they or some citizens had been responsible for an attack on us or not.


Just bend over backwards a little more and you can get your head firmly in the sand!
 

K1052

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News breaking that Issa might try to poach Duncan Hunter’s adjacent seat which is a safer R district. Maybe a tich risky since he has not resigned yet and voters may not view such opportunism favorably.
 

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News breaking that Issa might try to poach Duncan Hunter’s adjacent seat which is a safer R district. Maybe a tich risky since he has not resigned yet and voters may not view such opportunism favorably.

What a patriot just wanting to serve his country.
 
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News breaking that Issa might try to poach Duncan Hunter’s adjacent seat which is a safer R district. Maybe a tich risky since he has not resigned yet and voters may not view such opportunism favorably.

So. Much. Winning!
 

zinfamous

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So again, what he tried to pass did not ban all Muslims, right? What Trump did was ban people from seven predominantly Muslim countries. Seven countries. Say it with me guys.

Donald Trump is desperately trying to ban all muslims to appease his heart and the hearts of all the other cold, dark, racist assholes like yourself that continue to unquestionably support him.
 

SlowSpyder

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Donald Trump is desperately trying to ban all muslims to appease his heart and the hearts of all the other cold, dark, racist assholes like yourself that continue to unquestionably support him.

That you think I'm a racist, when time after time I've said I do not think any race is superior or better than any other is telling. You are a typical leftist, just scream racist and call it a day. Why have logic, evidence, or critical thinking when you can protect your bubble with lies you tell yourself?
 

zinfamous

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I don't know why he chose the countries he did, I don't think we've had many problems from them specifically, but I don't know what our country's military intelligence knows about those populations currently either, or what information the president is privy to regarding those countries that we don't know. So, I don't know why he chose the countries he did, and I don't think we have enough information to take a good educated guess at it. But I'm sure some projected feelings from those with a partisan agenda fill in the gaps nicely.

Now, again, what do you think stopped him from making it eight countries if his goal was to ban all Muslims? Surely he could have fit a few more in if he was just choosing them based on nothing, regardless of it they or some citizens had been responsible for an attack on us or not.

The military has consistently rejected his muslim bans, arguing that they more likely promote greater violence and greater risk to US citizens and soldiers. This isn't a mystery. It is very knowable, as you seem interested enough to learn this but unwilling to do so.

One can infer from this what their intelligence might be regarding these countries.
 
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