Republicans kill Veterans bill in Senate

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Moonbeam

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They weren't right. Costs came in less than half of what was originally projected. But why would Democrats care about costs when it benefits so many people? What high ground do Democrats have to stand on here?

Not raising taxes to pay for the cost.
 
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Not raising taxes to pay for the cost.
Ah...you mean the very thing Dems so vehemently objected to with Medicare Part D when deficits weren't anywhere near the problem they are now? The rationalization and hypocrisy I'm pointing out seems to elude you for some reason. You may want to look into that.
 
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rudder

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What concerns? The concerns about not wanting to spend money on the veterans that the republican wars created?

Moar hatred of the troops by the GOP. Nothing new.

Well actually one of the sticking points, besides the funding, was the democrats insistence that the VA accept all veteran injuries including those that are not combat related. Many felt this would continue to overburden the system.
 

LunarRay

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Well actually one of the sticking points, besides the funding, was the democrats insistence that the VA accept all veteran injuries including those that are not combat related. Many felt this would continue to overburden the system.

The VA has made findings regarding what you refer to which is 'Service Connected' and in their findings some Vets are omitted or denied care... Except there is a provision for 5 years of health care for ex service folks now a days.


Take the extreme case of Agent Orange... We simply don't know what that stuff may have done to the health of folks exposed to it. The VA has defined some diseases as related but when you don't know you don't know....
It is easy to deal with folks missing limbs or full of shrapnel because it is obvious... But what about the mental trauma the human is capable of suffering? Should a wheelchair be the criteria for providing care?

It goes without saying but I'll say it anyhow... IF a person is healthy when they enter service... and they do provide for that... and exits service less than healthy... You can never return a person to their status quo ante but you can easily enough reconcile to the fact that what ever the issue it happened while in the Service and the Law says that is enough to pin the tail on the VA to remedy.

Don't want to incur the costs of war.... don't freakin war. But if you do or have to for defensive reasons then everyone ought to pay since everyone benefits. And they should pay based on the reality of our taxing system. Depending on our current economic health either pay directly now or fund through debt...
 

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the bill was a shit sandwich (without jelly) which should only be served to progressives and vets who were stupid enough to vote for them. the bill did not address one single solitary core problem with the V.A. it was in fact, as has been stated, nothing more than a feeble attempt at grandstanding by the party that all know don't give a fuck about vets, well except for the lame fucks who get their news from politico.

as an aside under 8 years of Bush America suffered 575 deaths in Afghanistan, with berrie at the helm it took less that two years to surpass that total, and in 6 years our stumbling clusterfuck of a miserable preznit is responsible for 1620 +. guess the heros who died under berrie would be thankful they don't have to deal with a V.A. the republicans are dissembling.
 
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as an aside under 8 years of Bush America suffered 575 deaths in Afghanistan, with berrie at the helm it took less that two years to surpass that total, and in 6 years our stumbling clusterfuck of a miserable preznit is responsible for 1620 +. guess the heros who died under berrie would be thankful they don't have to deal with a V.A. the republicans are dissembling.
Obama's surge didn't go so well for us.
 

shadow9d9

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the bill was a shit sandwich (without jelly) which should only be served to progressives and vets who were stupid enough to vote for them. the bill did not address one single solitary core problem with the V.A. it was in fact, as has been stated, nothing more than a feeble attempt at grandstanding by the party that all know don't give a fuck about vets, well except for the lame fucks who get their news from politico.

as an aside under 8 years of Bush America suffered 575 deaths in Afghanistan, with berrie at the helm it took less that two years to surpass that total, and in 6 years our stumbling clusterfuck of a miserable preznit is responsible for 1620 +. guess the heros who died under berrie would be thankful they don't have to deal with a V.A. the republicans are dissembling.

Obama didn't start the wars. The responsibility for all of the deaths go to the people who started the endless occupations.
 

shadow9d9

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I remember when Democrats voted against Medicare Part D and bitched and moaned for years because of the cost. Democrats obviously don't give a fuck about the sick and elderly.

Who cares if they voted against it? Did it stop it from being passed? No? Then it is an unbelievably bad comparison.
 

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Obama's surge didn't go so well for us.

for berrie it's a feature, not a bug

Obama didn't start the wars. The responsibility for all of the deaths go to the people who started the endless occupations.

no professor, the responsibilities lay with the fucks who said they would end it, yet continued, and of course you must be talking about the progressive idiots in congress who voted overwhelming in support of the conflicts
 
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Who cares if they voted against it? Did it stop it from being passed? No? Then it is an unbelievably bad comparison.
It's an extremely fair and relevant comparison specifically directed towards the "intellectuals" among us who choose to wallow in idiotic partisan hyperbole. But you don't seem to get this point...'nuff said.
 

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It's an extremely fair and relevant comparison specifically directed towards the "intellectuals" among us who choose to wallow in idiotic partisan hyperbole. But you don't seem to get this point...'nuff said.

So you're saying that because some Democrats opposed, yet passed the Medicare extension that is somehow morally equivalent to not supporting our veterans. . .

WHO CARES?

They fought our wars, whether you agreed with the wars or not. I wasn't a fan of Iraq AT ALL. But that doesn't mean that the vets don't deserve the best our country can give them. This isn't a fiscal or political question. It is a morally one.

Blocking this bill is a repugnant thing to do.
 

BoberFett

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Both parties suck. Why would anyone fight for a country that doesn't respect them?

Sad.

When I talk to youngsters talking about joining the military, I often discourage them, or least ask them to think about what they're doing rather than jumping on a bandwagon.

I put in a little time in the early 90s, but I would never recommend to anybody to join the military right now. Fighting and dying so some rich asshole can get richer is not my idea of patriotism.
 

CitizenKain

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the bill was a shit sandwich (without jelly) which should only be served to progressives and vets who were stupid enough to vote for them. the bill did not address one single solitary core problem with the V.A. it was in fact, as has been stated, nothing more than a feeble attempt at grandstanding by the party that all know don't give a fuck about vets, well except for the lame fucks who get their news from politico.

as an aside under 8 years of Bush America suffered 575 deaths in Afghanistan, with berrie at the helm it took less that two years to surpass that total, and in 6 years our stumbling clusterfuck of a miserable preznit is responsible for 1620 +. guess the heros who died under berrie would be thankful they don't have to deal with a V.A. the republicans are dissembling.

If you could figure out how to write in english, it would help for people to not instantly dismiss any post you make as the rantings of a complete idiot.
 

shadow9d9

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It's an extremely fair and relevant comparison specifically directed towards the "intellectuals" among us who choose to wallow in idiotic partisan hyperbole. But you don't seem to get this point...'nuff said.

I get it that you think you are smart. Wishing something won't make it true though or your point less ridiculous.

It doesn't matter what the democrats voted, because it passed anyway. Conversely, in this case, the Republicans voting against it is WHAT KILLED IT. HUGE difference.
 

shadow9d9

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for berrie it's a feature, not a bug



no professor, the responsibilities lay with the fucks who said they would end it, yet continued, and of course you must be talking about the progressive idiots in congress who voted overwhelming in support of the conflicts

There is one progressive in the senate. Are you referring to the middle/right democrats? The ones that are further to the right than the conservative parties of every other first world country?

History shows that once a war/occupation starts by this country, ending it is near impossible. Obama couldn't even close gitmo because of the republicans. What makes you think they could end an occupation when the republicans masturbate to the military?
 
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I get it that you think you are smart. Wishing something won't make it true though or your point less ridiculous.

It doesn't matter what the democrats voted, because it passed anyway. Conversely, in this case, the Republicans voting against it is WHAT KILLED IT. HUGE difference.
Are politicians responsible for their votes or not? Yes or no? Anyway that wasn't my point. I was directing my sarcastic hyperbole at those who said that Republicans don't give a shit about Vets.
 

shadow9d9

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Are politicians responsible for their votes or not? Yes or no? Anyway that wasn't my point. I was directing my sarcastic hyperbole at those who said that Republicans don't give a shit about Vets.

If the vote is going to pass, then the remainder votes do not have the same impact as if their votes really mattered. It really is a simple concept.

Hyperboles still need relevance. The Republicans' votes directly caused this vote to fail, therefore the blame lies with them.
 
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If the vote is going to pass, then the remainder votes do not have the same impact as if their votes really mattered. It really is a simple concept.

Hyperboles still need relevance. The Republicans' votes directly caused this vote to fail, therefore the blame lies with them.
So the votes of politicians doesn't matter if legislation you personally find pleasing passes anyway? Give it a rest....you're embarrassing yourself.
 

shadow9d9

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So the votes of politicians doesn't matter if legislation you personally find pleasing passes anyway? Give it a rest....you're embarrassing yourself.

Nope. Try again. IF the vote is going to pass anyway, regardless of what the legislation is, the vote isn't nearly as significant as if the votes directly cause the bill to fail. It doesn't get more simple than that.
 

ivwshane

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the bill was a shit sandwich (without jelly) which should only be served to progressives and vets who were stupid enough to vote for them. the bill did not address one single solitary core problem with the V.A. it was in fact, as has been stated, nothing more than a feeble attempt at grandstanding by the party that all know don't give a fuck about vets, well except for the lame fucks who get their news from politico.

as an aside under 8 years of Bush America suffered 575 deaths in Afghanistan, with berrie at the helm it took less that two years to surpass that total, and in 6 years our stumbling clusterfuck of a miserable preznit is responsible for 1620 +. guess the heros who died under berrie would be thankful they don't have to deal with a V.A. the republicans are dissembling.

Lol! Another parrot parroting a right wing talking point! Let's point out the deaths that happened under Obama in a war that was started under bush in a place that was ignored by bush all while ignoring the total amount of deaths incurred in Iraq under bush!

Because, you know, when you compare military deaths by president you only compare each other to where those deaths occurred!

As much as you fucking idiots want to pretend it didn't happen, the Iraq war did happen under bush, as did the 3000 deaths that happened on US soil.
 

pcgeek11

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They could have passed it, except for Harry Reid.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) moved Wednesday night to cut off debate on the bill and blocked consideration of amendments, including one on Iran sanctions demanded by Republicans. And on Thursday, Democrats came up four votes short of the 60 needed to keep the bill moving forward on a procedural budget vote, 56-41.

Reid says it is my way or the highway and is not willing to let the republicans have any say at all.
 

shadow9d9

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They could have passed it, except for Harry Reid.



Reid says it is my way or the highway and is not willing to let the republicans have any say at all.

What in the world does Iran sanctions have to do with taking care of our own troops? NOTHING. We need to stop throwing tons of unrelated crap together. Vote each separately.
 

thraashman

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What in the world does Iran sanctions have to do with taking care of our own troops? NOTHING. We need to stop throwing tons of unrelated crap together. Vote each separately.

Conservatives love to attach extremely unpopular or stupidly dangerous things to very popular bills that way they can attack Democrats when they are forced to vote against things. I don't know why it would ever be a shock to anyone that Republicans don't give a shit about the veterans of the foreign wars they themselves start.
 

Sonikku

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Republicans will sign it, but Reid needs to sweeten the pot. Add some things off their wish list and it will be a done deal. Without those things, what incentive do they have to sign off on it?
 
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