Republicans need to apologize

[Moonbeam]

I tried to say that there was rage after 9/11 that creates a desire for revenge (pain) that can be manipulated making us easy and willing victims to go to war and punish somebody. Now the catastrophe that turned out to be, one which incidentally a few here warned us about, we have to hide our guilt at the terrible deaths and disaster our choice have brought us to. We blind ourselves to the thousands of American troops and others as well as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives that paid the price of our senseless irrational rage and not via the pretense they we sent them to do something noble, we avoid the pain of our guild. All to this I tell you is because of self hate and the fact that we remain and wish to be unconscious to avoid it. You are angry at inanimate dead things that have no choice but to sleep. You are driven, you say, to know the truth and they to their lies, but can you tell me how it happens that you came to be that way. Do you not feel sometimes that there but for the grace of God go I? And as I have no command over Grace how can I administer blame? I feel crushed like an ant beneath the weight of insanity, the egos will to power, crushed to power and blown away in the wind.

 

[interchange]

This discussion is great.

The problem with mastering it, however, is that human nature is something which is designed explicitly to be unmasterable. It is only our defenses which lead us to believe we can.

The most basic function of the human mind is to protect us from seeing in ourselves the things we do not like.

This means in order to reach our own ideals we must, at some juncture, take a leap of faith by acting on the principle that another sees you more truly than you could ever see yourself.

Moonbeam's discussion of love and grace to me indicates a desire to relish in that recognition instead of run from it. There is no greater joy in life than learning that you can never be anything more than simply human. And there is no greater frustration in life than finding no one to share in that joy.

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem with mastering it, however, is that human nature is something which is designed explicitly to be unmasterable. It is only our defenses which lead us to believe we can.

The most basic function of the human mind is to protect us from seeing in ourselves the things we do not like.

I believe that no child can withstand the pain of early conditioning where what is natural, the need for love runs into parental fear they are too worthless to deliver and pass that rejection on to their children by putting them down. Every parent will shut down the neediness of their children for love because they can't deliver. We are taught to despise our own need so we become instead, numb dead things.

The facts as I believe them to be is that had we not shut down we would have been abandoned physically as well as psychologically that we were tortured until we broke. We do not trust there is such a thing as love and if there is it's for the weak who can't stand on their own two feet.