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JSt0rm

Lifer
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for many families, 20k may as well be 2mm. Potential bankruptcy either way.


ok and 1 leaves me on the hook for more then the other.

If you guys want a real solution like that then people need to be rejected at the door to die in the streets because they are too poor.
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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So you wanted to cheap out on your insurance and if anything bad happens go bankrupt and leave me to pay for it?

Why not, I subsidizing those that cant afford to buy at normal rates? Why cant the public subsidize those that are pushed out of the market.

This is how I see it...
Hit by bus coverage was about $300/month(subject to penalty)
Compliant HMO is $800 month.

It appears there is an extra $500/month in coverage I dont want and subsidy's to others.
I had a plan similar to this pre obamcare, the premiums were less for a PPO and deductables were less than 1/2 of this plan. And my provider is requesting 50% premiums increase for next year.....

Obacare fixed nothing and made many things much worse.
This is the problem with socialism, you eventually run out of other peoples money.
 

charrison

Lifer
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ok and 1 leaves me on the hook for more then the other.

If you guys want a real solution like that then people need to be rejected at the door to die in the streets because they are too poor.


No we need to have an actual conversation about the difference between insurance and health care. 90% of all healthcare transactions should probably not be handled by insurance.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Obamacare is that bad. I recently had to purchase insurance on the open market. I could get inexpensive hit by a bus coverage(which is what I wanted), but you cant buy that unless you want to get the fine because it is not a compliant plan.

So i had to opt for the cheapest HMO, which is 800/month for insurance that covers everything and nothing at the same time. It is a compliant plan, but I have to spend upwards of 20k in deductibles/premiums before it covers anything.

Tell me how this makes things more affordable. I am about ready to drop it and take my chances.

Oh really.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eive-coverage-under-health-care-law-cbo-says/

The estimated cost of President Obama's signature health care law is continuing to fall.

The Congressional Budget Office announced on Monday that the Affordable Care Act will cost $142 billion, or 11 percent, less over the next 10 years, compared to what the agency had projected in January.

The nonpartisan agency said the Affordable Care Act will cost less for two essential reasons. The first, and most significant, is that health insurance premiums are rising more slowly, and thus requires less of a government subsidy.
 

DrPizza

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Where's your brain?

I'm not a Republican, I'm an independent. If you voted for him the 1st time, you get a pass. If you repeated it, then it is you who needs to apologize. I'll wait.
An apology might have been warranted, but you guys put up Romney to run against him. You see, the way it works, is if the Democrats have a bad or unpopular candidate running, you can't just put up any garbage and expect it to win - we kind of expect you to keep up your end and give us a decent alternative.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Why not, I subsidizing those that cant afford to buy at normal rates? Why cant the public subsidize those that are pushed out of the market.

This is how I see it...
Hit by bus coverage was about $300/month(subject to penalty)
Compliant HMO is $800 month.

It appears there is an extra $500/month in coverage I dont want and subsidy's to others.
I had a plan similar to this pre obamcare, the premiums were less for a PPO and deductables were less than 1/2 of this plan. And my provider is requesting 50% premiums increase for next year.....

Obacare fixed nothing and made many things much worse.
This is the problem with socialism, you eventually run out of other peoples money.

If you can't afford health insurance you are not one of the ones paying for others. You are a poor just like them.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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No we need to have an actual conversation about the difference between insurance and health care. 90% of all healthcare transactions should probably not be handled by insurance.

Yeah we should have a single payer system but the repugs blocked it. So pay you share poor.
 

Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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Yeah we should have a single payer system but the repugs blocked it. So pay you share poor.

1994 called, wants it talking point back. Dems had a super majority and didnt pass single payer.

Shame really because single payer would imo be more efficient and easier for everybody involved.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Ahahaha.... far as the "base" is concerned Obama's going to declare martial law and there won't even be elections. He'll just be President forever! See? Obama has plenty of time to do all that stuff in cuckoo land.

Personally, I think if someone told him he'd have to remain President on Jan 22nd, he'd just be "aww, hell no!" and walk out the door. Let's face it, the job certainly is not what he was expecting. He thought this country could be governed.

Yeh, the Monarchists were right back in 1776- self government has been an abject failure.

Only the guiding hand of Divine Right can govern. Back then, it was the divine right of royalty. Today it's the divine right of capital.
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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ok and 1 leaves me on the hook for more then the other.

If you guys want a real solution like that then people need to be rejected at the door to die in the streets because they are too poor.

No, they need true catastrophic plans which Obamacare has made essentially impossible to get. Because they need the young and healthy to buy expensive plans they don't need to pay for the subsidies for the old and poor. Which is fine if you want to impose that policy, but at least have the self-respect and intelligence to admit that's what you're doing and own that policy choice rather than trying to deny it or ignore it.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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An apology might have been warranted, but you guys put up Romney to run against him. You see, the way it works, is if the Democrats have a bad or unpopular candidate running, you can't just put up any garbage and expect it to win - we kind of expect you to keep up your end and give us a decent alternative.

I actually think Romney was a pretty solid candidate and Obama was neither bad nor unpopular either. Romney had the proper background and governing experience to do a good job, and his platform was well within the American political mainstream. He just wasn't what voters were looking for in 2012, which is fine. If he had waited until 2016 to run I could see him easily beating both Clinton and Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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1994 called, wants it talking point back. Dems had a super majority and didnt pass single payer.

Shame really because single payer would imo be more efficient and easier for everybody involved.

Factually incorrect. Dems had 56 senators after the 1992 election, not a filibuster proof 60+ super majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/102nd_United_States_Congress

Right wing belief is counter factual as always.
 

fskimospy

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I actually think Romney was a pretty solid candidate and Obama was neither bad nor unpopular either. Romney had the proper background and governing experience to do a good job, and his platform was well within the American political mainstream. He just wasn't what voters were looking for in 2012, which is fine. If he had waited until 2016 to run I could see him easily beating both Clinton and Trump.

I would largely agree with that, except for the beating Trump part. I think if he had made it to the general election he most likely would have beaten Clinton (or Trump if he was his only opponent) but I don't see how he would have ever gotten out of the primary. Although I think he had a lot of bad policies and a very tenuous relationship with the truth, Romney is a decent, composed, and well informed individual. I see no indication that the Republican primary electorate was interested in decent, composed, or well informed this year.
 

Jhhnn

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Obamacare is that bad. I recently had to purchase insurance on the open market. I could get inexpensive hit by a bus coverage(which is what I wanted), but you cant buy that unless you want to get the fine because it is not a compliant plan.

So i had to opt for the cheapest HMO, which is 800/month for insurance that covers everything and nothing at the same time. It is a compliant plan, but I have to spend upwards of 20k in deductibles/premiums before it covers anything.

Tell me how this makes things more affordable. I am about ready to drop it and take my chances.

Heh. If you're a family of 4 paying full price for an exchange plan then you're earning north of $92K/yr.

Cry me a fucking river.
 

Jhhnn

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He's most likely referring to when the Democrats had a supermajority for 49 days starting 7/7/09 and again for 134 days starting 9/24/09.

Dems only had a super majority while Ted Kennedy was alive. He died in August 2009.
 

charrison

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If you can't afford health insurance you are not one of the ones paying for others. You are a poor just like them.

I can afford it and I dont qualify for a subsidy, but it these plans have very little value.

Why buy insurance if it does not cover anything....
 

Jhhnn

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I can afford it and I dont qualify for a subsidy, but it these plans have very little value.

Why buy insurance if it does not cover anything....

That's assertion of jaundiced opinion as fact. The notion that ACA plans don't cover anything is bullshit.
 

charrison

Lifer
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That's assertion of jaundiced opinion as fact. The notion that ACA plans don't cover anything is bullshit.

Well ACA plan which I shopped around for, I am out about $20k before the insurance covers anything. So you tell me the value of that insurance? I would need to have a catastrophic event about every 5 years for me to break even.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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I would recommend getting skills that will allow you to get a job that has medical already taken care of. Thats the republican plan. And dont get sick.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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1994 called, wants it talking point back. Dems had a super majority and didnt pass single payer.

Shame really because single payer would imo be more efficient and easier for everybody involved.


We still had a few of those stupid blue dog democrats. It took a random repug who know shit was fucked and was willing to vote for it to make it happen. All those blue dogs are gone btw. Im sure they are working fat jobs in a right wing echo chamber.
 

rudder

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Nov 9, 2000
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And this wall of stupidity is even more absurd than usual.

If people still have some of their second amendment rights at the end of obummer's reign, it's certainly not for lack of trying on his part. He's done pretty much everything he can to destroy the second amendment and curb people's rights at every turn. We can thank the NRA and the GOP for preventing some of the worst abuses, but obummer sure as heck tried.

Hawaii: gun registration required.
Connecticut: gun and magazine registration required (and liberals want access to that information to publish).
California: Restrictions to long to list but you can google.
Massachusetts: Outright ban of firearms protected under previous supreme court rulings
Seattle: per bullet tax
Commonwealth of the Norther Marianas: $1000 per handgun tax enacted after unconstitutional handgun ban overturned.
There is more but people should get the point.

It starts small but will surely ramp up after Hildabeast gets her first supreme court pick.
 
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