Republicans need to embrace the future.

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. That's the end of it.

What if most of the Romans speak Spanish? Should we do as they do?

I think English should be the official language of the US but I've heard a lot of bad arguments why this should be the case.

We're getting to a point where most people in some states will speak Spanish. The when in Rome argument won't there.

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Back to the main topic, I think there will definitely be long-term shifts in the Republican party. In other words, the Republican party as it currently is will not be sustainable.

I think I lot of people vote Republican because (they think) it represents their interests as white people. In some cases it's true. When you have Democrats pushing affirmative action and people perceive that government expenditures are being spent on non-whites (which I don't think is the case) it can make sense to vote Republican (in theory). I think this is the Republican party's base. Right now, whites can vote and sustain their majority.

The problem is America is increasingly becoming non-white. Nobody's stopping it, especially not Republicans who want cheap labor. Eventually, the Republican party of whites will have to change because there won't be enough white people to sustain a majority.

Being(voting) "Republican" isn't a one issue thing and it sure isn't a racial/racist thing either. Nice try though.

CkG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Being(voting) "Republican" isn't a one issue thing and it sure isn't a racial/racist thing either. Nice try though.

I agree. You misread my post.

"Nice try though."

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Being(voting) "Republican" isn't a one issue thing and it sure isn't a racial/racist thing either. Nice try though.

I agree. You misread my post.

"Nice try though."

No - you stated you think some people vote Republican because they think they represent the "white people"'s interests. That is making it a racial issue. I don't know of any "Republican" who is a one issue Republican who uses Affirmative Action as their reasoning for being "Republican". Nor is it the "base" issue you claim to think it is. It is one issue - yes but I know quite a few "Republicans" who are "base" Republicans who don't have a problem with AA.
I'm not sure why you want to view this as a racial thing.

CkG

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

The whole reason they are called Conservatives is because they're still stuck in the Dark Ages

 

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: DanceMan
The way I look at this is that people can say they are not going to learn spanish, but I think it's already at the point where this matters little. Spanish-speaking people are an economic force, and by sheer numbers, spanish speaking will happen and on a large scale, whether people like it or not.

What drives language is not convenience, it's economics.

DanceMan

You're right that economics drives language, and that's exactly why they're going to learn English, because it's a ticket to better jobs.

Maybe, but that will take generations, if at all. A migrant farm worker will usually only be a migrant farm worker. However, their children will usually consider another line of work. But, I have noticed as a trend that there exist communities where you can live perfectly well not speaking English. This includes the second-generation, too. This only slows the adoption of English as a main language.

For all of you Pro-English and "America is founded upon English" proponets -- we did not make Native American Languages our main language, instead the first immigrants brought their language over. And by sheer population (or force), English became dominant, although other languages were carried over. So, what moral justification do we have to insist that all current immigrants speak English? Even if we get to the point where more people in the United States speak another language other than English?

(For the record, I would like to see one common language, it makes for easier communications and less confusion, however, people need to be open to the possibility that this 'common' language may change over time.)

DanceMan

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: cquark
Sure, people have personal beliefs, but why should they have a personal belief on homosexuality in particular? Most people do today, but most people at times in the past of the US had beliefs about the negative qualities of the "Irish race," and they don't any longer. Classical society had a viewpoint on sexual orientation that orthogonal to our categories of homo- and hetero-sexuality. It's doubtful that every society in the future will see the distinctions that we do, much less come to the same answers on them.

Why not? I am sure in 20 years if asked the question "how do you feel about homosexuality?" people will still have a thought on the matter, you can feel free to substitute 20 for any period of time, again it is human nature to forumlate beliefs and ideals, however down the road as more people get used to having to accept it then it will not be a hot button issue as it is now. And I don't know about you but I still know many who hold preconcieved negative notions about the Irish (drunks..etc), Black, Asian, Italian, Latino and virtually every race out there, many of these people are younger as well so I don't think I would say that these notions are completely wiped from existance

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Gallup never did a poll which broke the results down into age groups. CBS, Annenberg and Newsweek did. All came back with 41 - 43 % of 18-29 year olds support gay marriage. Are they all wrong?

The majority is against it, but at least in the Hispanic community evidence suggests that second generations are less intolerant and that it's not going to be an election issue.

Put please keep going, and if you could be try and be a little more condescending I'd appreciate it. Because it's not everyday that I get talked down to by someone named bozak.

Are they all wrong? no, but they could very well be all biased and 9 times out of 10 polls tend to be pretty biased, who were they polling? how were the questions asked? etc etc...ultimately I put very little faith in polls.

And funny how before you ask for statistics on my part, but now acknowledge the FACT that the majority are against it, and while it might not be an election issue this year who is to say it won't be next year, or the year after...as the article said some people have very strong family and religious beliefs, in that community specifically I don't see that changing anytime soon even in younger generations, and as the numbers grow they will become the majority voice.

I love it how when you run out of things to say there is always the option of poking fun at a handle, always shows who is on top of the game....keem em comming Sv its been a laugh.

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: bozack
Why not? I am sure in 20 years if asked the question "how do you feel about homosexuality?" people will still have a thought on the matter, you can feel free to substitute 20 for any period of time, again it is human nature to forumlate beliefs and ideals, however down the road as more people get used to having to accept it then it will not be a hot button issue as it is now. And I don't know about you but I still know many who hold preconcieved negative notions about the Irish (drunks..etc), Black, Asian, Italian, Latino and virtually every race out there, many of these people are younger as well so I don't think I would say that these notions are completely wiped from existance

As long as their are Christians in this world that believe that homosexuality is immoral and wrong, this will always be a debate. If you want to live that way, fine, just do not impose your immorality on the rest of us!

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. That's the end of it.

What if most of the Romans speak Spanish? Should we do as they do?

I think English should be the official language of the US but I've heard a lot of bad arguments why this should be the case.

We're getting to a point where most people in some states will speak Spanish. The when in Rome argument won't there.

***

Back to the main topic, I think there will definitely be long-term shifts in the Republican party. In other words, the Republican party as it currently is will not be sustainable.

I think I lot of people vote Republican because (they think) it represents their interests as white people. In some cases it's true. When you have Democrats pushing affirmative action and people perceive that government expenditures are being spent on non-whites (which I don't think is the case) it can make sense to vote Republican (in theory). I think this is the Republican party's base. Right now, whites can vote and sustain their majority.

The problem is America is increasingly becoming non-white. Nobody's stopping it, especially not Republicans who want cheap labor. Eventually, the Republican party of whites will have to change because there won't be enough white people to sustain a majority.

The hispanic community is growing. Soon it will be the largest minority in the US. As it grows it moves toward a more conservative view. Once a person get past the scare tactics of the socialibs it mainly becomes a moral issue with many hispanics. Traditional family values dominate the majority of hispanic households. Issues such as same sex marriage and abortion conflict with traditional hispanic views on family.

The base isnt dwindling, its growing. As it grows the left moves farther and farther away from mainstream and borders on the fringe. Espousing socialized medicine , government entitlements and free education the leftists attempt to buy votes any way they can. Same sex marriage is a perfect example of the left brown nosing a very small percentage of the US population in order to buy a few votes.

The right is not the party of the white man. Its the party of sanity.



(My family came from Mexico around 1900)

 

[JupiterJones]

America is rapidly changing for the better.

Curious as to what you consider is getting better. Do you mean the gradual erosion of our rights? Do you mean the increases in violence and hate? Maybe you mean the huge increases in illegitimate births among African Americans(68.7% today vs 25% in 1965)? The only things that might be getting better are technology and the availability of jobs to women and minorities, but a society (i.e. America) is much more than DVD's and a paycheck.

Jup

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

As long as their are Christians in this world that believe that homosexuality is immoral and wrong, this will always be a debate. If you want to live that way, fine, just do not impose your immorality on the rest of us!

Hate to break it to you Mo, but it isn't just the Christians that hold strong feelings against homosexuality...I believe Muslims and Jews aren't overly keen on the idea either.

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: MoFunk

As long as their are Christians in this world that believe that homosexuality is immoral and wrong, this will always be a debate. If you want to live that way, fine, just do not impose your immorality on the rest of us!

Hate to break it to you Mo, but it isn't just the Christians that hold strong feelings against homosexuality...I believe Muslims and Jews aren't overly keen on the idea either.

True that!