Republicans: No honeymoon if Clinton wins

[Fanatical Meat]

I want my reps to do any and everything they can to limit the amount of damage she is able to do to the country. Whatever procedural avenues are available to do so will be explored. This is not rocket science.

I get this point and I don't expect you to agree at some point Government needs to function even if its for stuff I don't agree with. Like use of force in Syria. Congress has said they consider it covered in the 12(?) year old use of force in Iraq. That's comical to say, Congress has effectively given the power to use force to the President.
I'm all for accountability but I'm also against the idea if perpetual "investigations" don't think that the "investigations" will only follow the President at some point it will start flowing in both directions.

 

[brycejones]

I'm also not sure if the President can issue a blanket pardon for something someone has not been charged for.

See Nixon, I don't believe any charges were brought before Ford's pardon.

 

[dank69]

Did you ever consider that what they are doing is damaging to the country?

And just so I get you correctly, you believe the country is best governed by whatever party doesn't control the presidency engaging in scorched earth opposition to what the president wants to do? Does this seem like a good long term governing plan to you?

Of course it sounds good to him. Liberals hate America and want to destroy it. It is up to his GOP heroes to stand in our way.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

See Nixon, I don't believe any charges were brought before Ford's pardon.

Good point

 

[brycejones]

Did you ever consider that what they are doing is damaging to the country?

And just so I get you correctly, you believe the country is best governed by whatever party doesn't control the presidency engaging in scorched earth opposition to what the president wants to do? Does this seem like a good long term governing plan to you?

Now if it was GOP president Pokerguy would be the first to be complaining about a do nothing legislative branch if they pulled the same stunts as the GOP has the last several years. After elections people need to start acting like adults not spoiled children who didn't get their way.

BTW this goes for both sides, its just the GOP that's being more than bit childish at this time.

 

[senseamp]

Actually, they do. That is why they are representatives from x state.

They are representative only of their Gerrymandered districts, not the American people.

 

[sdifox]

They are representative only of their Gerrymandered districts, not the American people.

Err that is precisely who they are. Don't like them? Don't elect them.

 

[fskimospy]

Now if it was GOP president Pokerguy would be the first to be complaining about a do nothing legislative branch if they pulled the same stunts as the GOP has the last several years. After elections people need to start acting like adults not spoiled children who didn't get their way.

BTW this goes for both sides, its just the GOP that's being more than bit childish at this time.

Here's the thing though, last time this was the case was 2006-07 when the Democrats won a landslide legislative victory and Republicans controlled the White House. If you look back at how the Democrats behaved there was simply not this sort of scorched earth opposition. Sadly if the Republicans persist next time there probably will be.

 

[fskimospy]

Err that is precisely who they are. Don't like them? Don't elect them.

I think what he's saying is that the Reps are not actually a good approximation of the will of the voters and he's certainly got a point about that. In 2014 the Republicans won 51% of the vote but got 57% of the seats. Even worse in 2012 they LOST the popular vote but got 54% of the seats.

 

[Jhhnn]

Your first response is reasonable. Strategically, she should try to make an attempt and then lay obstructionism at the feet of the GOP. That strategy didnt work great for Obama.

It got him re-elected & has gained him a high favorability rating. Repubs efforts have only gained them a revolt in their own base. If they can't bend, they'll break.

What is scurrilous in depicting Warren and Sanders as far left, unless of course you believe there is something inherently nefarious to being far left. They are far left, there's been much fanfare about how both Sanders and Warren are pulling Clinton to the left, and there is nothing treacherous about the obvious conflict and tension between corporate interests relative to those of the electorate. Will be interesting to see how Clinton navigates some of the looming and immediate icebergs in her path.

The scurrilous part is the "far" part. Nobody in the Democratic Party is calling for collectivization of private property or the dictatorship of the proletariat.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Err that is precisely who they are. Don't like them? Don't elect them.

When districts look normal you're right however some look like this

Or this

Or this theoretical

 

[sdifox]

I think what he's saying is that the Reps are not actually a good approximation of the will of the voters and he's certainly got a point about that. In 2014 the Republicans won 51% of the vote but got 57% of the seats. Even worse in 2012 they LOST the popular vote but got 54% of the seats.

Well that is the system. Don't like it? Change it. Bottom line the electorate is responsible for who they put in office.

 

[senseamp]

Student debt and jobs are what concern young voters. We as Americans have short memories. By the midterms, Trump will be but a memory. If she does not deliver on those two topics, young voters will abandon her at the midterms as they did Obama.

The far left is also starting to circle. Sanders and Warren are starting to signal they expect her to do something about the AT&T and Silicon Valley monopolies (Apple, Google, Facebook). Will be interesting to watch Clinton turn on some of the people she is financially beholden to.

Keep deluding yourself that Republican's problem is Trump.
GOP's real problem is it's peddling trickle down economics after it has been tried for 30+ years and failed.
To peddle it, it needs a base of bigoted morons. But that alienates thinking moderates from the party. So bigot morons have taken over the party. Trump is their nominee this year, but even if he loses, they are not going anywhere, and GOP can't afford for them to get smarter and start questioning when it will trickle down to them. So it will be more of the same. Even more so with Hillary in charge, because she brings out the worst in GOP.
I am in Silicon Valley, Hillary has nothing to worry about here, sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[sdifox]

When districts look normal you're right however some look like this

Or this

That is what happens when you let politicians decide electoral district. I prefer non partisan commissions or actual election officials decide that based on science.

 

[fskimospy]

Well that is the system. Don't like it? Change it. Bottom line the electorate is responsible for who they put in office.

Changing the system is a separate discussion, the first step is to recognize we have a problem. Look at Pennsylvania in 2012. Democrats got 50% of the vote and got 28% of the seats.

Remember, this is a map of a state that the Democrats won the popular congressional vote in. Surely we can at least agree that Congress is not exactly representing the will of the voters here, no?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That is what happens when you let politicians decide electoral district. I prefer non partisan commissions or actual election officials decide that based on science.

I agree but that's not really what you said earlier.
Maybe I was mistaken

 

[senseamp]

This is why nobody cares about GOP investigations. GOP Congress doesn't represent the people of the United States.

 

[sdifox]

That is some seriously fucked up electoral districts. You guys need to fix that asap. Talk about stealing elections.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It got him re-elected & has gained him a high favorability rating. Repubs efforts have only gained them a revolt in their own base. If they can't bend, they'll break.



The scurrilous part is the "far" part. Nobody in the Democratic Party is calling for collectivization of private property or the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Ok so middle left

 

[sdifox]

I agree but that's not really what you said earlier.
Maybe I was mistaken

I haven't changed stance, I just didn't know electoral districts were rigged.

 

[dank69]

I haven't changed stance, I just didn't know electoral districts were rigged.

Poor Democrat turnout in 2010 really fucked us long term because it was a census year and that data is used to redraw the districts. Battles are being won to fight this stuff in the SCOTUS and lower courts but it is a long and difficult process with the GOP fighting every step of the way. They know that if we get quality independent commissions to draw the districts fairly they are going to be the ones fucked long term.

 

[dullard]

I haven't changed stance, I just didn't know electoral districts were rigged.

Districts have been rigged like that for all of the US history. But the rigging was generally isolated or small. But then in 2010 the republicans perfected it. They put a ton of money into minor state legislature elections, often with mass ads in the final two weeks that were in general completely false or great exaggerations. The democrats had no time to respond to this unexpected flurry (and often no money even if they wanted to respond since state legislature races are often ran with just a few thousand dollars). That got the republicans a massive level of gains exactly when the districts were redrawn. Then they took the rigged redistricting to the extreme.

The republicans were helped by a recent supreme court ruling that blocked automatic map reviews by the courts in certain states. Now voters have to sue after the damage is done, instead of before the election, and that can be a lengthy multi-year issue. By the time rigged district maps can be stopped, many years of power have been enjoyed by the riggers, and suddenly it is almost time to redraw the maps again in 2020.

Yes, both sides draw up bad maps to favor them. But this time, they did it far, far more than had been ever done before. That got a wave of republicans elected in 2012 and 2014 even though they had far fewer votes. It is now representation of the map-makers, not representation of the people.

The democrats were caught with their pants down, completely unprepared. Instead of fixing it, they are now vowing to do the same dirty tricks in 2020.

 

[Sonikku]

The dems have problems of their own but I'm just so glad I belong to a party not forced to bend and skew the rules and deny justice hearings just to hold power. Up to Scalia's passing the GoP held everything but the White House. But deep down I knew that if the will of the people had actually be represented fairly that these clowns wouldn't have a prayer of holding power.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Keep deluding yourself that Republican's problem is Trump.
GOP's real problem is it's peddling trickle down economics after it has been tried for 30+ years and failed.
To peddle it, it needs a base of bigoted morons. But that alienates thinking moderates from the party. So bigot morons have taken over the party. Trump is their nominee this year, but even if he loses, they are not going anywhere, and GOP can't afford for them to get smarter and start questioning when it will trickle down to them. So it will be more of the same. Even more so with Hillary in charge, because she brings out the worst in GOP.
I am in Silicon Valley, Hillary has nothing to worry about here, sorry to burst your bubble.

No argument from me. Hillary has nothing to worry about from Silicon Valley. But Silicon Valley needs to worry about those on the left starting to set their eyes on it. The lack of diversity. The consolidation of market power. Monopolies. The gentrification of the Bay Area. Regulation. Oversight. Warren is coming for your Teslas and Tumi luggage.

 

[senseamp]

No argument from me. Hillary has nothing to worry about from Silicon Valley. But Silicon Valley needs to worry about those on the left starting to set their eyes on it. The lack of diversity. The consolidation of market power. Monopolies. The gentrification of the Bay Area. Regulation. Oversight. Warren is coming for your Teslas and Tumi luggage.

Lack of diversity? LOL. Have you been to Silicon Valley?
You are confusing SV with SV executive suites.