Republicans: No honeymoon if Clinton wins

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Jhhnn

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Population shifts over time so it needs to be adjusted say once every five years.

Every 10 years with the Census. It's a States' Rights thing after that. Some can do so more often, depending.
 
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Population shifts over time so it needs to be adjusted say once every five years.

Seems like Citizens do it best assuming they live in the area and have some basic guidance. Admittedly it won't be perfect but it would be better and its the type thing where perfectly balanced is impossible.
 

Puffnstuff

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I know that the 10th Amendment gives states the right to do anything not specifically covered by the Constitution but setting the districts would keep them consistent. The census should be used to determine the weight that each one carries as the population fluctuates.
 

agent00f

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That's my line. Again, what boys club and what competition and what must suck? Do you even realize that I pointed out how to make ET less male-dominated that it already is?

Stop acting like a know-it-all when you don't have the faintest clue.

Rather exacted you believe you're the smart one, even if you're incapable of reading your own writing: "The real and most glaring gendered education issue in US is boys falling way behind in reading and since it's a primary cognitive skill it affects other fields as well,"
 

Jhhnn

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I know that the 10th Amendment gives states the right to do anything not specifically covered by the Constitution but setting the districts would keep them consistent. The census should be used to determine the weight that each one carries as the population fluctuates.

Yeh, well, that won't happen. The principle would apply better to the Senate but that won't happen, either.
 

gamervivek

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Rather exacted you believe you're the smart one, even if you're incapable of reading your own writing:

So your one line nonsense was in response to,

"The real and most glaring gendered education issue in US is boys falling way behind in reading and since it's a primary cognitive skill it affects other fields as well,"

And I should divine your clueless reasoning ? Again, what boys club, what competition? Do you think education itself is a boys' club that is only just getting some competition? To reiterate, you haven't got the faintest clue.

Despite the stereotype that boys do better in math and science, girls have made higher grades than boys throughout their school years for nearly a century, according to a new analysis published by the American Psychological Association.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/04/girls-grades.aspx

What is worth remembering is that boys used to be the group considered shortchanged by the schools. The idea that the schools shortchanged boys was part of the common wisdom through the 1970s. As Brophy (1985) reminds us:

"Claims that one sex or the other is not being taught effectively in our schools have been frequent and often impassioned. From early in the century (Ayres, 1909) through about 1970 (Sexton, 1969; Austin, Clark, & Fitchett, 1971), criticism was usually focused on the treatment of boys, especially at the elementary level. Critics noted that boys received lower grades in all subjects and lower achievement test scores in reading and language arts. They insisted that these sex differences occurred because the schools were 'too feminine' or the 'overwhelmingly female' teachers were unable to meet boys' learning needs effectively."

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/10_Oct/1000boy3.htm

What changed during the 70s?

If you want increased competition, it'd require education to stop being a girls club.
 

agent00f

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So your one line nonsense was in response to,

And I should divine your clueless reasoning ? Again, what boys club, what competition? Do you think education itself is a boys' club that is only just getting some competition? To reiterate, you haven't got the faintest clue.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/04/girls-grades.aspx

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/10_Oct/1000boy3.htm

What changed during the 70s?

If you want increased competition, it'd require education to stop being a girls club.

Use that big brain to ponder the possibility that women might well do somewhat better in academic settings when provided the opportunity. After all it's hardly activity which rewards dumb machismo like yours. It's certainly the case in more societies than the US that women marginally surpassed men in degree attainment & such.

This pretty obviously upsets you, mostly likely along with much else associated with modernity, and it's not hard to see why. Good thing kids these days are taught how to live in the future instead of backwardness like your own. It's simple to see why that easily upsets you, too, which is again the sort of behavior not helpful to learning anything.
 

sdifox

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Seems like Citizens do it best assuming they live in the area and have some basic guidance. Admittedly it won't be perfect but it would be better and its the type thing where perfectly balanced is impossible.

You usually draw a box that more or less follow municipal boundaries, or neighbourhoods if it is a big metro area. At no point is the political affiliation data part of the process.
 

blankslate

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But But Clinton was the one who was going to be able to work with Republicans....

Yeah, who believed that lie during the primary.... suckers.


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Jhhnn

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But But Clinton was the one who was going to be able to work with Republicans....

Yeah, who believed that lie during the primary.... suckers.


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She said she was willing & has a track record to back that up. That doesn't mean they will be. Their failings shouldn't be put off onto her.
 

blankslate

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She said she was willing & has a track record to back that up. That doesn't mean they will be. Their failings shouldn't be put off onto her.

Nice dodge. but anyone with a lick of sense realized that the argument was so much "vaporware".... that argument shouldn't have even been made by Hillary pushers based on past experience with the obstructionist attitude toward President Obama demonstrated by republicans

But she was the better choice...


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Jhhnn

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Nice dodge. but anyone with a lick of sense realized that the argument was so much "vaporware".... that argument shouldn't have even been made by Hillary pushers based on past experience with the obstructionist attitude toward President Obama demonstrated by republicans

But she was the better choice...


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She *is* the choice of the Democratic Party. As to being able to work with Repubs only time will tell. At least she's got one thing going for her- she's not black. That probably counts for more than you think, sad to say.
 

blankslate

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She *is* the choice of the Democratic Party.
So much the pity....

That probably counts for more than you think, sad to say.
It's rather presumptuous to assume what my opinion is of an average republican's capacity for racial bigotry is, but ok.

*e2a*

Let's turn that point to another form of discrimination...
I'll be presumptuous and ask.
Perhaps you're underestimating the average republican's capacity for sexism?



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Jhhnn

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So much the pity....


It's rather presumptuous to assume what my opinion is of an average republican's capacity for racial bigotry is, but ok.

*e2a*

Let's turn that point to another form of discrimination...
I'll be presumptuous and ask.
Perhaps you're underestimating the average republican's capacity for sexism?



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It doesn't turn their world upside down like a black president does. They deal with white women all the time because women are half the population. What they think they know about black people mostly comes from the media, not from personal experience.
 

Puffnstuff

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Did anyone see the black republicans for Trump stand that was staffed by non-black workers?
 

blankslate

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It doesn't turn their world upside down like a black president does.
It turns their world upside down enough...
One of the reasons the cons and neocons may be more sanguine about Hillary is because there is not that much daylight between their and her views on foreign interventions as there was with President Obama


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Jhhnn

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It turns their world upside down enough...
One of the reasons the cons and neocons may be more sanguine about Hillary is because there is not that much daylight between their and her views on foreign interventions as there was with President Obama


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Whatever foreign interventions they engaged in while Clinton was SoS were joint ventures, obviously. The buck stops with Obama, not Clinton.
 

gamervivek

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Use that big brain to ponder the possibility

that feminists might be inveterate liars.

that women might well do somewhat better in academic settings when provided the opportunity.

They might or they might not, the point is that the academic setting does suit them better which is why despite boys getting better scores on tests, they don't get better grades. And this has been happening for a century. And yet, feminists have cried bloody murder about how schools are shortchanging girls at expense of boys. They keep trying to change it to make it lopsided still. Hence, it's a girls' club and if you are talking about competition, you should help boys.

After all it's hardly activity which rewards dumb machismo like yours.

hahaha, your juvenile attack is noted, clueless as usual.

It's certainly the case in more societies than the US that women marginally surpassed men in degree attainment & such.

And?

This pretty obviously upsets you, mostly likely along with much else associated with modernity, and it's not hard to see why. Good thing kids these days are taught how to live in the future instead of backwardness like your own. It's simple to see why that easily upsets you, too, which is again the sort of behavior not helpful to learning anything.

It's always amusing as to how your comeback to facts and figures is nonsense such as this. What does upset me? Do you even have a clue? That girls might do better in education? Or that feminists might be pathological liars?

If you guys weren't so upset when reality enters your worldview you might learn something.

And what happened to this agonistic educational culture? After over two thousand years as the central element in education, public verbal contest died out almost completely in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Instead of the oral, argument-based, male-dominated education of the pre-1870 period, education post-1870 was much more interiorized, irenic, negotiative, explanatory. The older methods of academic defense and attack died out with startling rapidity, says Ong, because of the entrance of women into higher education. Contestive, combative educational methods that had worked satisfactorily for all-male schooling now came to seem violent, vulgar, silly. A man could attack another man verbally, and was expected to do so, but to attack a woman, either physically or intellectually, was thought ignoble. As more women entered colleges, their influence both tacit and explicit caused the abandonment of the agonistic tradition and the evolution of less overtly contestive educational methods. Thus the educational structure we inherit, an amalgam of newer irenic values and half-understood survivals from a more agonistic time in education.
 

blankslate

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Whatever foreign interventions they engaged in while Clinton was SoS were joint ventures, obviously.

President Obama was by no means perfect but there is more daylight between Obama's and Hillary's willingness to intervene and to what degree than their is in neocons and Hillary's.... I think you know which mother of all interventions I'm referring to. Hillary will go farther than Obama in the M.E. if given the opportunity.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us...ponse-fight-cyberattacks-russia-china-1579187
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...zone-third-debate_us_58084280e4b0180a36e91a53

but hey it's cool the cold war was way underrated.


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agent00f

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that feminists might be inveterate liars.

They might or they might not, the point is that the academic setting does suit them better which is why despite boys getting better scores on tests, they don't get better grades. And this has been happening for a century. And yet, feminists have cried bloody murder about how schools are shortchanging girls at expense of boys. They keep trying to change it to make it lopsided still. Hence, it's a girls' club and if you are talking about competition, you should help boys.

Seems you finally got around to understanding what was meant numerous posts ago concerning that boys club. People this slow shouldn't assume they have much smarts to apply to any problem.

hahaha, your juvenile attack is noted, clueless as usual.
To wit, here you further demonstrate a lack of basic self-awareness with this hilariously ironic accusation. OTOH, illustrating that someone lacks the cognitive tools to meaningfully participate in a discussion is the opposite of not having a clue. A person taken to use epithets they don't know the meaning of is by definition clueless, and rather useless.

The older methods of academic defense and attack died out with startling rapidity, says Ong, because of the entrance of women into higher education. Contestive, combative educational methods that had worked satisfactorily for all-male schooling now came to seem violent, vulgar, silly. A man could attack another man verbally, and was expected to do so, but to attack a woman, either physically or intellectually, was thought ignoble.

Seems rather obvious that it's far more effective for dummies to settle down and absorb some reading first rather than act like you do in lieu of much education.
 

gamervivek

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Seems you finally got around to understanding what was meant numerous posts ago concerning that boys club. People this slow shouldn't assume they have much smarts to apply to any problem.

Not really, your one line nonsense continues to be an enigma considering you've been shown just how clueless you're about the issue.

To wit, here you further demonstrate a lack of basic self-awareness with this hilariously ironic accusation.

That's my line, again. You lack the basic self-awareness to see that you're using rhetoric to make your point, whatever the hell that might be and yet accuse me of dumb machismo.

OTOH, illustrating that someone lacks the cognitive tools to meaningfully participate in a discussion is the opposite of not having a clue. A person taken to use epithets they don't know the meaning of is by definition clueless, and rather useless.
Seems rather obvious that it's far more effective for dummies to settle down and absorb some reading first rather than act like you do in lieu of much education.

For instance.
 

agent00f

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Not really, your one line nonsense continues to be an enigma considering you've been shown just how clueless you're about the issue.

That's my line, again. You lack the basic self-awareness to see that you're using rhetoric to make your point, whatever the hell that might be and yet accuse me of dumb machismo.

For instance.

Just look at how oblivious you are: "hahaha, your juvenile attack is noted, clueless as usual."

A one line nonsense literary doing what you accuse someone else of not 3 words back.

There are some worthy contenders for dunning kruger posterchild here, and you're at the head of that line.
 

gamervivek

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Just look at how oblivious you are: "hahaha, your juvenile attack is noted, clueless as usual."

Oblivious to what? That it's a good joke?

A one line nonsense literary doing what you accuse someone else of not 3 words back.

hahaha, wow, you mean your dumb machismo comment was not a rhetorical device? Or the very start about a big brain? Don't cry if you get repaid in kind, my dear.

There are some worthy contenders for dunning kruger posterchild here, and you're at the head of that line.

Of course, I told you before that I am, but on the other side. Which is why I'm bothering with the likes of you.
 
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