Republicans, please explain the Behghazi outrage to me

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emperus

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So your argument is that he's an honest idiot rather than a smart liar? I care very little about this "scandal" but from what I've read, it seems very clear that he knew what was going on well in advance of his press conference and made a calculated decision: I think he knew more people whose votes might be altered by this issue were watching his press conference than watch Fox News. It was a shrewd political decision. Democrats will pretend that he didn't know because they believe he has a lot of integrity (he doesn't) while Republicans will harp on the issue because they were unable to effectively use it against him to turn the tide of the election. In the end, I have little use for either group and simply call it how I see it: Obama did what he had to do just as Romney would have done in the same situation.

You really believe Obama is an idiot? And the fact that he had few scandals in his first 4 years lends to him being a liar?
 

OutHouse

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You guys make me sick. Keep trying to manufacture a scandal, it speaks volumes for your character.

you make me sick. our ambassador and 3 good men got murdered and you dont give a shit. all you stupid liberal ass sees is a republican thing going after the president. thats all you care about same goes for the OP. why are not the democrats wanting to get to the bottom of this just as much as the republicans??

PLUS there is a innocent man in jail who made the video that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Behghazi Attack.
 

Moonbeam

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The latest clown party outrage issue. If a conservative steps in shit he has to pick it up and rub it all over himself and claim it's the latest perfume.
 

OutHouse

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The latest clown party outrage issue. If a conservative steps in shit he has to pick it up and rub it all over himself and claim it's the latest perfume.

holy shit can the dems do anything wrong in your pitiful world?
 

emperus

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The administration tried to frame an innocent American who still remains in jail.

Yes, an innocent man. I guess ur hate of Obama trumps ur sense of reason. Look at the bolded part. Not only did he use an alias (Sam Bacile) to make the video he obviously used the internet.
The Daily Beast reported that Nakoula was arrested by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department in 1997 after being pulled over and found to be in possession of ephedrine, hydroiodic acid, and $45,000 in cash.[20] Nakoula was charged with intent to manufacture methamphetamine.[19] He pleaded guilty and was sentenced in 1997 to one year in Los Angeles County Jail and three years probation. According to the Los Angeles County District Attorney, he violated probation in 2002 and was re-sentenced to another year in county jail.[25]
In 2010, Nakoula pleaded no contest to federal charges of bank fraud in California. Nakoula had opened bank accounts using fake names and stolen Social Security numbers, including one belonging to a 6-year-old child,[3] and deposited checks from those accounts to withdraw at ATMs.[26] The prosecutor described the scheme as check kiting: "You try to get the money out of the bank before the bank realizes they are drawn from a fraudulent account. There basically is no money."[4] Nakoula’s June 2010 sentencing transcript shows that after being arrested, he testified against an alleged ring leader of the fraud scheme, in exchange for a lighter sentence.[27][28][29] He was sentenced to 21 months in federal prison, followed by five years probation (supervised release), and ordered to pay $794,701 in restitution.[4][30] He was sent to prison, then to a halfway house,[31] and was released from custody in June 2011. A few weeks later, he began working on Innocence of Muslims.[32][31] Conditions of Nakoula's probation include not using aliases and not using the Internet without prior approval from his probation officer
 
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Agent11

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You don't want an investigation, you want an inquisition.

Pull your head out your ass and stop listening to the righty poison that is polluting your mind.

They are investigating it.
 

spidey07

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The administration knew it was a well planned/executred al qaida terrorist attack as soon as it was happening, and then lied for at least a week telling people it was some protest over a video. Is anybody OK with that? There should be plenty of outrage when a president lies about the deaths of 4 americans with that much propaganda.

And then you throw in the embassy begging for more security and intelligence reports of impending attack and yet the administration did nothing. Obama is directly responsible for the deaths, he told bald faced lies for at least a week trying to pull the wool over American's eyes that this was another terrorist attack on his watch.
 

Phokus

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you make me sick. our ambassador and 3 good men got murdered and you dont give a shit. all you stupid liberal ass sees is a republican thing going after the president. thats all you care about same goes for the OP. why are not the democrats wanting to get to the bottom of this just as much as the republicans??

PLUS there is a innocent man in jail who made the video that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Behghazi Attack.

Actually, what's sick is that your side has to make up lies and conspiracy theories and you don't actually care about 'the truth'.

David Frum was right, the CEC is damaging what's left of your brains.
 

TerryMathews

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Please explain this flawed policy of appeasement. Give some examples and explain how they would have caused this situation.

There are several transcripts of Obama apologizing for various things "over there" im not going to Google for you but they are easy to find.

The bigger issue is that just like in Iran we were being attacked on land given to us for diplomatic purposes. Just like on Iran we had an absolute right to defend our position and extract our people. Why didn't we?

There was an MEU deployable within the timeframe of the attack. There were CAS aircraft that could have responded within time to save lives. All it would have taken is a few "demonstrators"/militia being shot off the fences to end the siege.

Just like in Iran.
 

CitizenKain

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you make me sick. our ambassador and 3 good men got murdered and you dont give a shit. all you stupid liberal ass sees is a republican thing going after the president. thats all you care about same goes for the OP. why are not the democrats wanting to get to the bottom of this just as much as the republicans??

PLUS there is a innocent man in jail who made the video that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Behghazi Attack.

Oh please, you were cheering those men dying because you are an ignorant rightwing hack and you think you could pin this on Obama.

The administration knew it was a well planned/executred al qaida terrorist attack as soon as it was happening, and then lied for at least a week telling people it was some protest over a video. Is anybody OK with that? There should be plenty of outrage when a president lies about the deaths of 4 americans with that much propaganda.

And then you throw in the embassy begging for more security and intelligence reports of impending attack and yet the administration did nothing. Obama is directly responsible for the deaths, he told bald faced lies for at least a week trying to pull the wool over American's eyes that this was another terrorist attack on his watch.

Complete and utter bullshit typical of you and the rest of the rightwing.
 

Phokus

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Good, bad, or indifferent, the American people dont tolerate Presidents getting caught in lies.

I did not have sexual relations... Oops.

There's that Conservative Entertainment Complex again. Clinton was enormously popular when he left office, you idiot.

 

Dulanic

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you make me sick. our ambassador and 3 good men got murdered and you dont give a shit. all you stupid liberal ass sees is a republican thing going after the president. thats all you care about same goes for the OP. why are not the democrats wanting to get to the bottom of this just as much as the republicans??

PLUS there is a innocent man in jail who made the video that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Behghazi Attack.

LOL 4 men compared to how many based on a war that was started based on "fake" WMDs. So thousands dead vs 4? I can see how the rage over 4 is 100x what is is over 1000s. Which BTW, the republicans SUPPORTED cutting funding for security forces in Benghazi.

It's all a excuse to try and bash Obama. Evil Evil Antichrist black Obama.
 

spidey07

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Oh please, you were cheering those men dying because you are an ignorant rightwing hack and you think you could pin this on Obama.



Complete and utter bullshit typical of you and the rest of the rightwing.

Are you saying the obama administration didn't know it was an al qaida terrorist attack as soon as it was happening? Are you REALLY saying that?

Have you not been paying attention to what's going on today?
 

EagleKeeper

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Please explain this flawed policy of appeasement. Give some examples and explain how they would have caused this situation.
the amount of security for the embassy and people were less than normal.
They were less than the US people on the ground asked for and were rejected by REMF in state.
the fact that they evacuated the embassy in Egypt in advance rather than protect it.

All seem to be appeasement - they did not want to put out any effort.
Had the riots been directed against the Russia or Chinese embassy; the results would not have been so forgiving.

I believe that Obama came out on national media and stated the those responsible will be held accountable and brought to justice.
This has not happened. - Why?
To do so would incriminate the host country which is responsible for the initial security (pulleed back) and reveal the AQ influence within the host country.
 
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EagleKeeper

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The latest clown party outrage issue. If a conservative steps in shit he has to pick it up and rub it all over himself and claim it's the latest perfume.

And what happens if a liberal steps in it.

Or they are to pure to do so
 
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emperus

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the amount of security for the embassy and people were less than normal.
They were less than the US people on the ground asked for and were rejected by REMF in state.
the fact that they evacuated the embassy in Egypt in advance rather than protect it.

All seem to be appeasement - they did not want to put out any effort.
Had the riots been directed against the Russia or Chinese embassy; the results would not have been so forgiving.

I believe that Obama came out on national media and stated the those responsible will be held accountable and brought to justice.
This has not happened. - Why?
to do so would incriminate the host country.

How again is that appeasement and why would Obama be appeasing them? See how your position falls apart when you start asking questions? Formulate a logical thought for me. Include in it what appeasement means, why having less than normal troops would be appeasement and how Obama would benefit from Appeasement. And how this appeasement strategy fits in with the broader use of drone attacks.

I just have a hard time following what you are trying to say. "they did not want to put of any effort" What does that mean?
 

Mxylplyx

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So far the only reasonable motive I've been given in this thread is that Obama wanted to minimize the political impact of a terrorist attack occurring in such close proximity of the election, though it's hard to say just what that impact might have been. I think it was also reasonable to assume, as I stated before, that many in the administration believed that the youtube video had something to do with it given that the Egyptian embassy was stormed right around the same time, and everyone knows the whole region has a history of whipping up outrage in unison in response to things like this.

I see many here referring to the TRUTH in such a manner that the only acceptable truth to this is a massive cover-up and conspiracy. It's also quite possible that the TRUTH is simply a well planned terrorist attack on a lightly defended embassy compound in an unstable region of the world. Do remember that this was not the main embassy, but rather a residence that was serving as a makeshift embassy. Being low key was their stated goal with this location, so a whole army battalion defending it was out of the question.
 

Mxylplyx

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the amount of security for the embassy and people were less than normal.

How are you qualified to speak to this? Do you think every embassy in the world looks like the one in Baghdad or Kabul? In an unstable region without a strong central government that ensures diplomatic security, being low key is often better than toting around an army battalion in a mile long diplomatic convoy.
 

Ausm

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Actually, what's sick is that your side has to make up lies and conspiracy theories and you don't actually care about 'the truth'.

David Frum was right, the CEC is damaging what's left of your brains.

So is the Rightwing Entertainment industry!
 

yllus

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I think it's pretty obvious that the Obama administration decided to mislead everyone in order to make the attack a non-issue in his election argument that they've severely curtailed Al Qaeda's capabilities.
 
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