Repugs going after child labor laws

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JTsyo

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I admittedly don't understand age restriction when it comes to *serving* alcohol. Why is serving alcohol specifically different than other drinks?
Or would that technically allow a 14 y/o bartender as well?
(I'm mostly thinking of serving drinks in a place like Applebee's, etc. vs. a straight up bar)
They would be more likely to serve their peers. Had a friend that worked at Boston Market that would give me an extra side when ordering a meal.
 

IronWing

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The argument is likely that the kids can help out in the family owned bar. Wisconsin has an alcohol soaked culture so this proposal isn't outside the pale.
 
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Zorba

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The argument is likely that the kids can help out in the family owned bar. Wisconsin has an alcohol soaked culture so this proposal isn't outside the pale.
Yeah, nothing like 14 year old cocktail waitresses.

We can import labor, we shouldn't be turning kids into labor.
 
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NWRMidnight

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I admittedly don't understand age restriction when it comes to *serving* alcohol. Why is serving alcohol specifically different than other drinks?
Or would that technically allow a 14 y/o bartender as well?
(I'm mostly thinking of serving drinks in a place like Applebee's, etc. vs. a straight up bar)
Servers are the first contact with a customer. They have to determine if the customer has already been drinking, has had to much, should be served alcohol, or be cut off. 14 year old's don't remotely have the maturity, experience of character judgement, or ability to make a safe and just judgement call. Bartenders generally never see a customer out in the restaurant, some don't even have the time/ability to keep track of all the customers inside the bar itself if they have cocktail waitresses/waiters. That doesn't even include other reasons such as sneaking sips, or serving underage friends. Not caring about ID checks.. etc. We have 30 year old's who don't have the ability to make a proper judgement call, or who over look shady ID's cuz she's "hot". I would rather have a 14 year old be given the ability to vote than be in the position of deciding if someone should be served alcohol. It's like handing them a loaded gun to wave around the room.
 

IronWing

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My experience in Wisconsin bars is that as long as you have money, you aren’t too drunk to serve another round.
 

hal2kilo

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The argument is likely that the kids can help out in the family owned bar. Wisconsin has an alcohol soaked culture so this proposal isn't outside the pale.
First state, I ever saw a tiny rural town with 8 buildings 3 of which are bars. Of course, growing up south of the Mason Dixon line dry counties were the norm. Hell, Arlington county didn't have liquor by the drink until I left for tech school at 18.
 

Pohemi

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First state, I ever saw a tiny rural town with 8 buildings 3 of which are bars. Of course, growing up south of the Mason Dixon line dry counties were the norm. Hell, Arlington county didn't have liquor by the drink until I left for tech school at 18.
Bars outnumber churches, Walmart, Walgreens, etc. all combined in WI. Hell, you could probably add soda machines to that list too. Where other states have dry counties, we have wet counties where everyone drinks and people don't get arrested for drunk driving.

Just remember...don't get caught with that devil's lettuce, or they'll burn your heretic ass at the stake. And they'll keep it like that for another 50+ years if they can.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Silly liberals. They have their panties in a bunch because kids want to work, and not sit on their asses complaining about the world like others do.

I started working when I was 12 and I turned out perfectly fine.
 
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Pohemi

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Silly liberals. They have their panties in a bunch because kids want to work, and not sit on their asses complaining about the world like others do.
I'm not even sure where to start on what a crock of absolute dogshit this comment is.

Kids don't, "want to work". Frumpy muppet didn't roll back child labor laws because kids were just clamoring to be able to go to a factory alongside their parents.

You think kids don't complain? Pbfft. They whine almost as much as your snowflake ass does.

Wanting to protect kids from PREDATORY employers taking advantage of them does not make people "silly" or mean their "panties are in a bunch". That's just your projection as you whine.

Caring, compassion, empathy are all foreign to you. Which is why you are a piece of shit person.
I started working when I was 12 and I turned out perfectly fine.
 

woolfe9998

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Just remember...don't get caught with that devil's lettuce, or they'll burn your heretic ass at the stake. And they'll keep it like that for another 50+ years if they can.

There is a bill for medical legalization in the WI legislature right now. The gov tried to get full adult legalization but the repugs won't go for it. Sounds like they may pass it for medical though.

 

Pohemi

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There is a bill for medical legalization in the WI legislature right now. The gov tried to get full adult legalization but the repugs won't go for it. Sounds like they may pass it for medical though.
I'll wait and see what happens, but I FULLY expect it not to. We've been at that point before, and it ended up being a fart in the wind each time. Not too many of those regressive fucks want it.

It isn't necessarily because they're still running with 'Reefer Madness' beliefs, though there are some that are/do. It isn't because they don't want the state to get the tax windfall from legalizing, the legislature has discussed it numerous times.

No. The reason they won't do it is because other people, including their political opposites, want it. That's it. That's all.

Over 65% of the state's citizens want it (full legalization). They so love to deny the voters what they want. And the rednecks keep re-electing them from the farmer districts. It's not going to change anytime soon.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Silly liberals. They have their panties in a bunch because kids want to work, and not sit on their asses complaining about the world like others do.

I started working when I was 12 and I turned out perfectly fine.
Guess what I have been working since I was 8 years old, collecting a pay check, and paying taxes with social security records to prove it. But I am not going to sit here and lie like you and make it sound like I did it willingly.
Just like you, I did not have a choice. And all though I turned out fine, It cost me a lot of unnecessary hardships, negativity effected my education, and prevented me from having a childhood among a laundry list of other things.

What you call complaining is people who are tired of being exploited and abused by the immoral, inhumane, abusive systems at work in the USA.

Edit: missing words
 
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woolfe9998

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I'll wait and see what happens, but I FULLY expect it not to. We've been at that point before, and it ended up being a fart in the wind each time. Not too many of those regressive fucks want it.

It isn't necessarily because they're still running with 'Reefer Madness' beliefs, though there are some that are/do. It isn't because they don't want the state to get the tax windfall from legalizing, the legislature has discussed it numerous times.

No. The reason they won't do it is because other people, including their political opposites, want it. That's it. That's all.

Over 65% of the state's citizens want it (full legalization). They so love to deny the voters what they want. And the rednecks keep re-electing them from the farmer districts. It's not going to change anytime soon.

In CA we passed it with a statewide voter proposition. You should do that in WI.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Guess what I have been working since I was 8 years, collecting a pay check, and paying taxes with social security records to prove it. But I am not going to sit here and lie like you and make it sound like I did it willingly.
Just like you, I did not have a choice. And all though I turned out fine, It cost me a lot of unnecessary hardships, negativity effected my education, and prevented me from having a childhood among a laundry list of other things.

What you call complaining is people who are tired of being exploited and abused by the immoral, inhumane, abusive systems at work in the USA.

I did it willingly because I wanted money. I did not have to. I was able to afford a lot of things back then and paid for things I needed. I learned a lot of things too. If you have had a negative experience you cannot say that all will have the same. That prejudges the outcome based on a theory they will all be negative.
 
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ch33zw1z

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I did it willingly because I wanted money. I did not have to. I was able to afford a lot of things back then and paid for things I needed. I learned a lot of things too. If you have had a negative experience you cannot say that all will have the same. That prejudges the outcome based on a theory they will all be negative.

Your anecdote can't be assumed either. See how that works?

Kids aren't working after school to scrub blood and guts off of a floor because it's a quality life, they're doing it to eat. Foregoing education to learn to slave away because a corporation doesn't want to pay your parents a living wage is not quality. Your perspective is once again so screwed up, which is not surprising considering your preferred media consumption.
 

thilanliyan

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I did it willingly because I wanted money. I did not have to. I was able to afford a lot of things back then and paid for things I needed. I learned a lot of things too. If you have had a negative experience you cannot say that all will have the same. That prejudges the outcome based on a theory they will all be negative.
You might have been in the privileged position where your basics are covered by your parents and you earning extra allows you to buy things you want (not need).
You are ONE person. The odds that some kids are going to end up working (without even going to school) because their basics aren't even being covered are high. Try to think outside of yourself and your immediate circle.
 

ch33zw1z

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You might have been in the privileged position where your basics are covered by your parents and you earning extra allows you to buy things you want (not need).
You are ONE person. The odds that some kids are going to end up working (without even going to school) because their basics aren't even being covered are high. Try to think outside of yourself and your immediate circle.

Yep, we all have our anecdotes. For me, I started passing out newpapers at 14. It was pretty grueling work that took up Saturday afternoon's / evenings, and Sunday mornings (4-8). I never saw a penny, my parents needed the money to feed us. This is no exaggeration. There wwere times that our utilities were turned off due to non-payment. My parents had a tough time for about 10 years, and then divorced (which was really a long time coming and the money problems just added to it). Point being, at 14, I was put in a position to assist with family money troubles. Its a lot of pressure for a teen, when my focus should have been on social growth and education.
 

pauldun170

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The sales pitch is to please the patriot moms for freedom or whatever moronic name the Facebook group.

The actual goal is to strip away reporting requirements so the department of labor AND the department of taxation don't know that you are using underpaid workers who in most cases with small businesses paid off the books.

Cheap undocumented labor.

To help the moron in the room understand
This is the equivalent of stripping away requirements to insure you are not employing undocumented migrants.
 

NWRMidnight

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I did it willingly because I wanted money. I did not have to. I was able to afford a lot of things back then and paid for things I needed. I learned a lot of things too. If you have had a negative experience you cannot say that all will have the same. That prejudges the outcome based on a theory they will all be negative.
If you where working so you could afford things you NEEDED, you where not working willingly. Needs are normally provided by parents. If they are not providing them, then you had no choice but to work to obtain them yourself. It wasn't a choice. Or are you confusing needs with wants and desires which your parents wouldn't buy, because they wanted to teach you how to earn/save buy.. aka responsibility? We aren't talking about baby sitting, or meowing people's lawns, stuff that kids do today as well, just like when you where 12 years old. Because their parents won't buy them something and expect them to earn and save for it, teaching them a life lesson about money and responsibility. We are talking about working, getting a pay check, paying taxes and actually providing actual needs.

Did you have to buy all of your own clothes, shoes, etc? Did you have provide and pay for your own lunches at school (sorry, no free lunch here), bed/dresser/room furniture, and everything else short of the roof over your head and 1 meal a day? Did you work a full time job (40 hours + a week by the age 15) along with milking goats, cutting firewood, doing all other regular house hold chores, and going to school full time? I also wasn't allowed to get rides home, I was required to ride my bike 5 miles home... Yes my dad was a hard ass prick. (Obviously I didn't work a full time job at the age of 8, but I did work about 15 hours a week).

The answer to all of that is NO! As you already stated you didn't have to work, which means either your parents would have bought you ever want you desired. OR, you are manipulating the truth, where it was because your parents wouldn't buy those things, and you had to earn it because your parents where teaching you responsibility. I suspect your "I didn't have to" was you had to, if you wanted something special, because your parents wouldn't pay for it. Which is no different than what takes place today with most kids and parents, working to earn want's because their parents are teaching them responsibility.

All you sound like is a privileged "rich kid", who didn't understand the lesson their parents where teaching them thinking you had a choice, and who doesn't understand the difference between working for actual life necessity needs vs working for wants and desires.. Specially when you where a 12 year old being taught responsibility by your parents.
 
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