reserved the 2019 Santa Fe

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After test driving LOTS of options for about a year, knowing that the lease on my Highlander was ending in August, I finally found what I think is my perfect vehicle in the newly redesigned Santa Fe.

https://carbuzz.com/reviews/2019-hy...n-s-worst-nightmare-now-wears-a-hyundai-badge

I'm getting the Ultimate trim with the turbo engine, so I'll have everything I could possibly get in the thing. The key here is that I didn't have to jump to the 3 row sized vehicles to get everything I wanted, like I would have to do if I went with Honda or Toyota.

My biggest wants this time around was ventilated seats (sweaty ass in the summer is no fun) and Android Auto support... something that Toyota is still refusing to support despite everyone else going that route.

I'm not sure when it'll get in, but we finally tracked one down in the configuration and color I wanted that was due to be delivered nearby. I've already claimed it, so it's just a matter of getting there now. Can't wait!
 
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My mom bought the santa fe when it first came out in 2001 time frame. That car was very good until the transfer case and transmission started going out a couple years ago. With the warranty, those Hyundais are solid offerings.
 

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My mom bought the santa fe when it first came out in 2001 time frame. That car was very good until the transfer case and transmission started going out a couple years ago. With the warranty, those Hyundais are solid offerings.

I've always avoided them due to reliability concerns, but they seem to be doing quite well lately.
 

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I couldn't buy without test driving -

Did you consider the Ford Edge s it comes with ventilated seats & Sync 3- $40K for the Titanium. 2.0L Turbo or 3.5L 280HP V6.

Adaptive Cruise Control & Forward Collision Warning with Brake Support
• Adaptive Steering
• Auto-Dimming Driver’s Sideview Mirror
• BLIS® (Blind Spot Information System) with Cross-Traffic Alert and Auto-Dimming Driver’s Sideview Mirror
• Enhanced Active Park Assist with Parallel Park, Park Out Assist, Reverse Perpendicular Parking, Forward and Reverse and Side Sensing Systems
• Front 180-Degree Camera with Split View and Washer
• High-Intensity Discharge (HID) Projector-Style Headlamps with Automatic High Beams
• Inflatable Rear Safety Belts, Second Row Outboard Seating Positions
• Lane-Keeping System
• Rain-Sensing Wipers (Front Only)
  • Voice-Activated Touchscreen Navigation System
  • Heated and Ventilated Front Leather-Trimmed Seats with Perforated Inserts
  • Panoramic Vista Roof®
  • Remote Start System
    • SYNC® 3
    • Sony® Audio with HD Radio™
    • Heated Leather-Trimmed Seats
    • Hands-Free Foot-Activated Liftgat
 
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As somebody who grew up in the middle of "Car Culture" in the '90s, it's weird to think of Hyundais as actual good cars.

But here we are. Best of luck with your new ride.
 
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gorcorps

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I couldn't buy without test driving -

Did you consider the Ford Edge s it comes with ventilated seats & Sync 3- $40K for the Titanium. 2.0L Turbo or 3.5L 280HP V6.

Oh I've test driven the trim level I wanted, just couldn't find the exact color combo I've wanted.

Ford was honestly never in contention. Aesthetically they don't do anything for me, and I don't trust the reliability from any of the big 3 apart from a few models.
 

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In case anybody is curious about everything else I test drove, here's a quick recap:

What I had: 2015 Toyota Highlander XLE
It was a competitive vehicle when I got it, but almost all of its competition has since received a major refresh, so the current gen highlanders are feeling pretty old. I'm told the 2019 is going to be a redesign year, but since I haven't seen anything about it, it might not be until mid-2019 at this point. It was comfortable enough for my driving posture (more on that in a second) but the interior definitely left a lot to be desired from a refinement standpoint (cheap plastics and such)

Honda Pilot
This one checked all of the boxes from a feature standpoint (Android Auto, ventilated seats, etc), but pretty quickly got crossed off the list because I didn't find it comfortable to drive. I like to have a fairly large center console to lean on the right side (which the Highlander has) and I need enough width on the door panel to rest my left arm/elbow on and still reach the steering wheel. My highway cruising posture is just to have my left hand barely on the steering wheel with my arm resting comfortably on the door panel.

Not possible on the Pilot. The door panel was so thin that my arm just slid off so I couldn't rest my left arm anywhere. They also made the maddening decision to put the center console down low, and give each front seat individual arm rests instead of using a properly sized console as one large armrest. The arm rest was thin, and I had to keep my right arm in tight to even use it. It just didn't fit my driving posture, so out it went.

Mazda CX-9
The one I drove I believe was the first year of their redesign, and this car looks fantastic both inside and out. The interior is one of the best interiors I've seen in a non-luxury car, and it was quite comfortable to drive. There were a couple issues that made me pass on this one, first was the lack of features that I wanted. At the time they didn't support Android Auto, though I hear that's coming in the 2019 model (with available upgrades for the 2018s or something like that). But they also didn't offer ventilated seats at any trim level, which wasn't a dealbreaker in itself but added to the list of downsides.

The biggest downside was the feeling of my legs being a bit cramped while driving. I usually (unknowingly I guess) lean my left leg out a bit, but it seemed like there was less open space across the width in the driver's seat than I'm used to, and I noticed this when I tried to get in my normal driving position. It was something I probably could adjust for in time, but that coupled with the features it was missing was enough to keep looking.

Subaru Ascent
This is the one that for the better part of 2018 I was convinced it was my next car. It's Subaru's brand new 3-row crossover, and offered everything on my list from a company I've considered previously, but in general are behind the curve in technology so I hadn't been considering it. Well the Ascent had all of the technology I was expecting covered, so for once Subaru didn't seem to be lagging behind the pack in features. I was 100% convinced this was my next car, and I was so excited when I finally got word from the dealership that one came in to test drive. I run to the dealership, and wait for a while as I was unannounced and waiting for the saleman to finish up before I got to try it... and then I finally got on the road.

Instant disappointment... don't get me wrong, the car handled fine and was very responsive, but the same driving posture issues I had with the Pilot surfaced in the Ascent but in different ways. While the door panel was plenty wide enough to rest my arm, it's almost like the steering wheel diameter was much smaller than normal and I couldn't reach the wheel with my arm on the door. The center console was also a little lower than I was hoping for, so instead of providing natural support I had to lean over to even touch it.

*sigh* so much for that

I then went down a spiral of wondering what I was going to do. I was only a couple months away from my lease ending, and while I had my wife's older malibu to get by it certainly wasn't comfortable. I considered an old lexus to keep payments down and start saving for something down the road, I looked into replacing the head unit on the Malibu to make it tolerable, all sorts of things. Then I stumbled across an option that wasn't even on my radar.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe
I honestly don't remember how I came across it, but I found an article about the new redesign of the Santa Fe and loved how it looked. As more info came out, I got more and more excited. I started badgering my local dealership about it, and he didn't know a thing about it. They finally got one in to test drive, and he still couldn't tell me anything about it because they "hadn't had their training yet". He said this was one of the oddest roll-outs he's seen, as they were getting vehicles in without notice and without getting official training to sell them properly. I was still able to take it out for a spin which answered a lot of my questions.

Could I rest my left arm on door properly? Yes. Was the center console where it should be, and provided a good arm rest? Yes. Did I have enough leg room? Sure did. The rest of my questions couldn't be answered yet because this was a lower end model without the other features I wanted. Another few weeks go by and the finally get an Ultimate trim that I got to drive as well. Everything I wanted was there. This is it, finally after long last I found what I've been looking for... and it's a good $5k cheaper than all of the other options I had looked at to boot.

Now that I've locked in and found the color I wanted, now it's probably another 2-3 weeks of waiting since it hasn't been delivered yet. At least there's an end in sight... I'm going to an impatient SOB until it gets here though.
 

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The biggest downside was the feeling of my legs being a bit cramped while driving. I usually (unknowingly I guess) lean my left leg out a bit, but it seemed like there was less open space across the width in the driver's seat than I'm used to, and I noticed this when I tried to get in my normal driving position. It was something I probably could adjust for in time, but that coupled with the features it was missing was enough to keep looking.

This is an issue specific to me as well. My Renegade had tons of width, and my current '18 Mustang (surprisingly) has sufficient legroom as well.
 

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Subaru Ascent
This is the one that for the better part of 2018 I was convinced it was my next car. It's Subaru's brand new 3-row crossover, and offered everything on my list from a company I've considered previously, but in general are behind the curve in technology so I hadn't been considering it. Well the Ascent had all of the technology I was expecting covered, so for once Subaru didn't seem to be lagging behind the pack in features. I was 100% convinced this was my next car, and I was so excited when I finally got word from the dealership that one came in to test drive. I run to the dealership, and wait for a while as I was unannounced and waiting for the saleman to finish up before I got to try it... and then I finally got on the road.

Instant disappointment... don't get me wrong, the car handled fine and was very responsive, but the same driving posture issues I had with the Pilot surfaced in the Ascent but in different ways. While the door panel was plenty wide enough to rest my arm, it's almost like the steering wheel diameter was much smaller than normal and I couldn't reach the wheel with my arm on the door. The center console was also a little lower than I was hoping for, so instead of providing natural support I had to lean over to even touch it.

Yup, the inside is kind of built like a straight sled. It wasn't awful, but I could tell I wouldn't be happy with it. We actually ended up trading in our '15 Forester for an '18 Forester just recently...wasn't planning on it, but even used, the dealer was selling Foresters like ours with 40k+ miles for over $19k (the resale value on both Subaru's & Jeep's is amazing!), so we ended up making out a bit & got a nicer version to boot (power trunk, leather, newer EyeSight, X-mode, etc.). I considered waiting until the 2019's were out in a couple more months, but because they're a complete redesign, I decided not to (already learned my lesson about first-generation hardware with the Renegade, hahaha). Plus the Ascent has already had a ton of issues, including one manufacturing error that resulted in the entire car having to be swapped out for hundreds of people.
 

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My biggest wants this time around was ventilated seats

My Mustang has ventilated seats...they're not super powerful, but they do prevent back sweat from hot leather seats in the summer, which is awesome.

I also got 3M Crystalline tint all around (90% windshield & 70% on the rest of the windows) because I have an all-black interior & always park outside. It's not quite as heat-rejecting as the darker tints, but it does take the edge off (still very hot, just not like instant-death hot) without having to use a big sun shade. I don't know if I'd recommend it (because it didn't cut down the initial heat as much as I was hoping for), for the price ($$$), but I'd have to try a car with a darker tint to see if that helps more. On the flip side, it helps reduce windshield glare tremendously (although it does reflect the interior dashboard more than the stock glass did), and it has a bonus feature of insulating the car better (keeps the cold air in the car a lot better than it did pre-tint, where it'd get instantly hot again the moment you adjusted the A/C).
 

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Yup, the inside is kind of built like a straight sled. It wasn't awful, but I could tell I wouldn't be happy with it. We actually ended up trading in our '15 Forester for an '18 Forester just recently...wasn't planning on it, but even used, the dealer was selling Foresters like ours with 40k+ miles for over $19k (the resale value on both Subaru's & Jeep's is amazing!), so we ended up making out a bit & got a nicer version to boot (power trunk, leather, newer EyeSight, X-mode, etc.). I considered waiting until the 2019's were out in a couple more months, but because they're a complete redesign, I decided not to (already learned my lesson about first-generation hardware with the Renegade, hahaha). Plus the Ascent has already had a ton of issues, including one manufacturing error that resulted in the entire car having to be swapped out for hundreds of people.

I hadn't heard about the Ascent recall, that's not good.

I'm definitely nervous about buying the first year of a redesign, but given the timing of everything I'm a little stuck. I trust Hyundai's warranty process well enough to not be too worried... but I hope this isn't another Grand Cherokee issue. I'm pretty confident that nothing will ever match FCA's terrible quality issues, and even worse customer service, so I'm taking a chance.
 

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I finally found what I think is my perfect vehicle in the newly redesigned Santa Fe.

That's a nice-looking car! Kind of like a rounded-out Volvo XC60 with Kona lights. What color are you going to go with?
 

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I hadn't heard about the Ascent recall, that's not good.

Yeah, nearly 300 units were missing welds: (looks like only a handful actually got into customer's hands, however)

https://www.cnet.com/g00/roadshow/news/subaru-ascent-recall-missing-welds/
There is actually no possible remedy for this situation. Thus, owners of affected vehicles will have to return to the Subaru dealership to take possession of a second brand-new Ascent. Recalled vehicles with missing welds will be destroyed, as the chassis' integrity is not up to snuff without every single weld.
 

Kaido

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I'm definitely nervous about buying the first year of a redesign, but given the timing of everything I'm a little stuck. I trust Hyundai's warranty process well enough to not be too worried... but I hope this isn't another Grand Cherokee issue. I'm pretty confident that nothing will ever match FCA's terrible quality issues, and even worse customer service, so I'm taking a chance.

tbh I would trust a Hyundai over an FCA product at this point, but maybe that's just my personal experience & cynicism talking
 

gorcorps

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tbh I would trust a Hyundai over an FCA product at this point, but maybe that's just my personal experience & cynicism talking

Oh I'm right there with you. The body control module issue on my 2014 Grand Cherokee turned me off FCA forever.
 

Kaido

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Oh I'm right there with you. The body control module issue on my 2014 Grand Cherokee turned me off FCA forever.

iirc my Renegade was on BCM #6 (>2 years of ownership, bought new) and needed #7, but I sold it instead of taking it back into the shop
 

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iirc my Renegade was on BCM #6 (>2 years of ownership, bought new) and needed #7, but I sold it instead of taking it back into the shop

What a racket. They've had issues with them for the better part of a decade and still can't get them reliable. Embarrassing
 
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gorcorps

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That's a nice-looking car! Kind of like a rounded-out Volvo XC60 with Kona lights. What color are you going to go with?

I'm going with the blue exterior (called stormy sea) with the grey leather interior. The blue exterior is what you see in the article in the OP, the grey interior is what's shown in these photos on the main Santa Fe page: https://www.hyundaiusa.com/2019-santafe/gallery.aspx
 
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I'm getting antsy... every day that ticks by I'm worried this other dealership isn't going to play ball and ship the car this way, even though I've been assured by my local guy that they had an agreement. I just haven't had a lot of confidence through this process with this dealership.

Why am I so impatient...
 

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Got it!

One of the first things I noticed on the longer drive home was how quiet the cab is. I've never had a car that's this quiet, the noise isolation is fantastic. The stereo is also top notch too. Much better than the Highlander I left.

I'm still trying to get used to the slight delay in acceleration either due to the stopping/starting engine, or possibly transmission shifting, but it's just a matter of getting used to it. My Highlander had a traditional 6 speed and standard engine, so you got power pretty much immediately. This seems like it almost has a delay and then you get a LOT of power, so I'm driving a little jerky being used to the Highlander.
 
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As somebody who grew up in the middle of "Car Culture" in the '90s, it's weird to think of Hyundais as actual good cars.

But here we are. Best of luck with your new ride.
I remember when Hyundai first came to America ('86 I think), I was working at Red Lobster and one of the waiters had a brochure for the Hyundai Excel. I was asking him if they were decent cars and he apparently spit back what a salesman had told him "Hyundai uses a higher quality steel in their cars than Cadillac".

But hey, they were much better than Yugos.
 
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I remember when Hyundai first came to America ('86 I think), I was working at Red Lobster and one of the waiters had a brochure for the Hyundai Excel. I was asking him if they were decent cars and he apparently spit back what a salesman had told him "Hyundai uses a higher quality steel in their cars than Cadillac".

But hey, they were much better than Yugos.
Domestics back then we're rusting out by the time you got them home. So that's not really a surprise.
 

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I've always avoided them due to reliability concerns, but they seem to be doing quite well lately.
They have been doing well and making quality cars for years. They were shit 20 years ago but due to their poor rep they really turned things around in the last 15 years or more.

That Hyundai is a nice ride OP. I'd have no problem running around in it for sure!
 

gorcorps

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maybe power delay is a turbo thing?

That could be part of it, but I felt a similar thing in the non-turbo I test drove.

It also felt a little bit better this morning. Maybe I'm already changing the way I drive, or maybe there's some electrical magic learning how I typically accelerate from a stop and is able to adapt from that.
 
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