Responsible gun owner handles marital conflict resolution the mature way... or maybe not

mikeymikec

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/woman-shot-husband-dead-after-14491796

The Mirror said:
A woman allegedly shot her husband dead after seeing he added a porn channel to their TV bill.

Patricia Ann Hill, 69, is accused of shooting Frank Hill, 65, twice after she "flew into a rage".

Prosecutors described how Patricia, from Arkansas, America, had already deleted the channel from their subscription once, but "lost her mind" after seeing it re-added.

She is accused of going into her husband's shed, dubbed the 'man cave', to confront him before knocking over a table of his beer and cigarettes in anger.

Patricia then allegedly returned to the house where she retrieved a pistol and shot her husband after walking back into his shed, according to the Pine Bluff Commercial.

Frank was shot once in the leg, then a second time near his upper body

"near his upper body"... is that what the Pine Bluff Commercial says too (blocking UK seemingly)? does their readership have a mental maturity of a typical 5 year old or something?
 

SlowSpyder

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Last night I went to bed without having shot anyone, my guns didn't shoot anyone by themselves either. This was the case for the many tens of millions of gun owners in this country too.

I've had guns in my home my entire life, they've only made me safer.
 
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fskimospy

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Last night I went to bed without having shot anyone, my guns didn't shoot anyone by themselves either. This was the case for the many tens of millions of gun owners in this country too.

I've had guns in my home my entire life, they've only made me safer.

You could have made this post shorter by saying 'I don't understand statistics and prefer to reason emotionally'.
 

nakedfrog

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/woman-shot-husband-dead-after-14491796





"near his upper body"... is that what the Pine Bluff Commercial says too (blocking UK seemingly)? does their readership have a mental maturity of a typical 5 year old or something?
It does not specify.
She then went back into the house, where she picked up a pistol, and went back to the shed, shooting Frank Hill. He was bent over picking up the things that had been on the table when the shots were fired. He was hit once in the leg, just above the right knee, then a second time.
 

DAPUNISHER

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You could argue that teaching the older generations basic computer skills is now a matter of life and death. Had he known that a browser in private/incognito mode was all he needed to avoid the wrath of his psycho wife, he would still be with us. Getting wifi in the shed is slightly more challenging, but with those basic PC skills, he could have google fu'd the answer.

Regardless, this story really should not focus on the gun imo. She could have stabbed him multiple times with a chef's knife, etc. given the circumstances. The gun was definitely easier, but if she was that ragingly psychotic, she would have gotten the job done without it. This was about the lady's cheese falling off the cracker far more than gun violence. Which brings us right back to the mental health issue/debate.
 
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fskimospy

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You could argue that teaching the older generations basic computer skills is now a matter of life and death. Had he known that a browser in private/incognito mode was all he needed to avoid the wrath of his psycho wife, he would still be with us. Getting wifi in the shed is slightly more challenging, but with those basic PC skills, he could have google fu'd the answer.

Haha, excellent.

Regardless, this story really should not focus on the gun imo. She could have stabbed him multiple times with a chef's knife, etc. given the circumstances. The gun was definitely easier, but if she was that ragingly psychotic, she would have gotten the job done without it. This was about the lady's cheese falling off the cracker far more than gun violence. Which brings us right back to the mental health issue/debate.

Guns make it very easy for people whose cheese falls off their cracker to kill others. While I have no idea as to their relative physical strength/fitness in this specific case, for the average woman killing a man with a knife is far more difficult than killing a man with a gun. It's the same thing with suicide - guns are extremely effective instruments of suicide. If you can't cure the depression that makes people feel suicidal sometimes (and we can't!) what you can do is make it much less likely that they are successful.

It's the guns.
 

fskimospy

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I understand statistics just fine and am using logic here.

You have made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that you don't have even a basic understanding of statistics.

We know you reason entirely emotionally instead of factually so I don't know why statistics even matter to you. It's all about the feels.
 
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mikeymikec

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You could argue that teaching the older generations basic computer skills is now a matter of life and death. Had he known that a browser in private/incognito mode was all he needed to avoid the wrath of his psycho wife, he would still be with us. Getting wifi in the shed is slightly more challenging, but with those basic PC skills, he could have google fu'd the answer.

Even then, one could always get caught tissue-handed.
 

dainthomas

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Last night I went to bed without having shot anyone, my guns didn't shoot anyone by themselves either. This was the case for the many tens of millions of gun owners in this country too.

I've had guns in my home my entire life, they've only made me safer.

You may have been lucky, but science says you're not safer.
 

ImpulsE69

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Like..I find it odd that lately I've been agreeing with some of what SS is saying, but is it just me or is this board lately becoming more far radical left? I mean, it's like no one has any understanding of personal accountability and wants to blame everyone everything else but the person for their own issues. I'm not even remotely conservative and even I understand that guns aren't the root of any of these problems.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Like..I find it odd that lately I've been agreeing with some of what SS is saying, but is it just me or is this board lately becoming more far radical left? I mean, it's like no one has any understanding of personal accountability and wants to blame everyone everything else but the person for their own issues. I'm not even remotely conservative and even I understand that guns aren't the root of any of these problems.
Probably frustration of inaction leading people to push further down the path, rather than push harder toward the first steps.
 

Vic

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Like..I find it odd that lately I've been agreeing with some of what SS is saying, but is it just me or is this board lately becoming more far radical left? I mean, it's like no one has any understanding of personal accountability and wants to blame everyone everything else but the person for their own issues. I'm not even remotely conservative and even I understand that guns aren't the root of any of these problems.

I don't disagree with you, but I just want to say that this problem of blaming everyone but the person is by no means limited to guns or the 'radical left.' SlowSpyder here, for example, is continuously blaming ideas, religions, and groups for the actions of individuals. As do most conservatives on the 'right.' And not just today, but for always. How long ago was it that conservatives were preaching that certain drugs were the cause of all crimes?
My point being, what you're criticizing as leftist, is only leftist for this particular issue. Otherwise, it's a shared characteristic across the political spectrum. Because it's easier, and generally more politically advantageous, to blame things, ideas, and groups for the actions of individuals than it is to blame the individuals. It's easier to say, you're doing it wrong, than it is to provide a feasible solution.
 

ecogen

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Like..I find it odd that lately I've been agreeing with some of what SS is saying, but is it just me or is this board lately becoming more far radical left? I mean, it's like no one has any understanding of personal accountability and wants to blame everyone everything else but the person for their own issues. I'm not even remotely conservative and even I understand that guns aren't the root of any of these problems.

You don't know what radical left is.

If you find yourself agreeing with SlowSpyder what you should be worrying about is yourself, not this board.
 

Vic

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Probably frustration of inaction leading people to push further down the path, rather than push harder toward the first steps.
For sure, the rise of irresponsible gun ownership being pushed by conservatives is having a revenge effect. No right can long exist when its abuse is tolerated or encouraged.
 
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ImpulsE69

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I don't disagree with you, but I just want to say that this problem of blaming everyone but the person is by no means limited to guns or the 'radical left.' SlowSpyder here, for example, is continuously blaming ideas, religions, and groups for the actions of individuals. As do most conservatives on the 'right.' And not just today, but for always. How long ago was it that conservatives were preaching that certain drugs were the cause of all crimes?
My point being, what you're criticizing as leftist, is only leftist for this particular issue. Otherwise, it's a shared characteristic across the political spectrum. Because it's easier, and generally more politically advantageous, to blame things, ideas, and groups for the actions of individuals than it is to blame the individuals. It's easier to say, you're doing it wrong, than it is to provide a feasible solution.

Agreed, it is shared, on both ends.
 
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GoodRevrnd

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You could have made this post shorter by saying 'I don't understand statistics and prefer to reason emotionally'.
While spidey not understanding statistics is a well documented fact, trotting out every Florida Man "look at this responsible gun owner" anecdote is a bit of a reverse of the same coin.
 
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fskimospy

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I agree it’s true that anecdotes are not evidence. That being said, I view the purpose of this anecdote to be to remind people of what the science says.
 
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mikeymikec

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I mean, it's like no one has any understanding of personal accountability and wants to blame everyone everything else but the person for their own issues. I'm not even remotely conservative and even I understand that guns aren't the root of any of these problems.

Ok, so let's talk to the average conservative about better mental health care.

Average conservative:
"wait, you want to spend MY taxpayer money in a way that doesn't benefit me but benefits other people?"

aka. the song that ensures that nothing useful ever gets done.
 
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MixMasterTang

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Like..I find it odd that lately I've been agreeing with some of what SS is saying, but is it just me or is this board lately becoming more far radical left? I mean, it's like no one has any understanding of personal accountability and wants to blame everyone everything else but the person for their own issues. I'm not even remotely conservative and even I understand that guns aren't the root of any of these problems.

I used to own a few guns when I lived in the states and am not anti 2nd amendment but they never made me feel safer. Quite the opposite since I am a believer in statistics and every thorough paper I have read has came to the same conclusion that there are more instances of self harm, accidental shootings or having the gun used against yourself is more likely than using it to actually save yourself. I know everyone likes to think they are John Wick and will take out 20 bad guys without breaking a sweat but facts are facts.
 
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Regardless, this story really should not focus on the gun imo. She could have stabbed him multiple times with a chef's knife, etc. given the circumstances. The gun was definitely easier, but if she was that ragingly psychotic, she would have gotten the job done without it. This was about the lady's cheese falling off the cracker far more than gun violence. Which brings us right back to the mental health issue/debate.

Don't talk about the gun, even though that's what was used to commit the crime. If people talk about guns, and the merits of owning them, I might lose my masculinity tool replacement gadget. That would make me cry and I don't like crying.

Rather, let's talk about the chef; THE CHEF. What was he doing? Huh? Anyone wanna tell me?

And the knife! Those things are sharp, unlike guns which are blunt and safe and don't kill people. Only people kill people, often times with a knife which are just as dangerous as guns except when they're not.

THIS IS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.
 

pmv

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You could argue that teaching the older generations basic computer skills is now a matter of life and death. Had he known that a browser in private/incognito mode was all he needed to avoid the wrath of his psycho wife, he would still be with us. Getting wifi in the shed is slightly more challenging, but with those basic PC skills, he could have google fu'd the answer.

Regardless, this story really should not focus on the gun imo. She could have stabbed him multiple times with a chef's knife, etc. given the circumstances. The gun was definitely easier, but if she was that ragingly psychotic, she would have gotten the job done without it. This was about the lady's cheese falling off the cracker far more than gun violence. Which brings us right back to the mental health issue/debate.

The statistical facts appear to suggest that the presence of a means that' make it easier', increases the frequency with which such things happen. Just as with suicide. Would a near-70 year-old woman have a high chance of success in, say, stabbing a (younger, in this case) man to death?

(The stereotype has always been of women using poison - not sure if that's based on truth, but it presumably follows from being physically weaker...and traditionally doing the food-preparation)
 
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